[pct-l] Snow in May, and Preparation

[Handy Husband for Hire, Inc.]

Sometimes life teaches us lessons in the worst possible way.  I, with you, don't applaud foolishness or jeopardizing others lives.  But still the same...the greater good of the common hiker should be supported in a realistic and optimistic way. The means to which most learn is through the experience gained and hoping that before they leave home to embark on a multi-month journey, that they are prepared for most of which they will encounter.

I think that people understand that the circumstances to which they encounter may require the stewardship of others possibly at the worst possible moment in the most remote part of the trail. I hope that when people receive the help needed that they allow themselves to receive and give back for the good deeds others have done for them need it be by choice or mandate.  

Unfortunately things tough situations will continue to happen in the future and I hope that for the hikers that experience missteps that the trail continue to develop their crust of their backbone. 

Thanks for Donna's efforts to the support of her generous hospitality over the years and Kudos to all who are moving North, especially the newbys.   

Sibex 





-----Original Message-----
From: Donna "L-Rod" Saufley [mailto:dsaufley at sprynet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:05 AM
To: Handy Husband for Hire,Inc.; 'Ned Tibbits'; 'Sean Nordeen'; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow in May, and Preparation

Mis-steps like not carrying rain gear and adequate shelter can result in hypothermia and possibly death.  I'd like to applaud their effort, but bad decisions that can have such drastic consequences put not only their own lives, but the lives of rescuers at risk. In this instance, the ill prepared depended upon others (like trail angels and businesses) to make up for the the inadequacy of their decisions.

I cannot and will not applaud such foolishness. To expect others to be there to fix problems you've brought on yourself is inexcusable. If they really want to fulfill their dreams, they should be informed, prepared, and take personal responsibility for the outcome of their decisions. If you are going to embark on a 2600 mile wilderness outing, you should be prepared for the conditions you may face. Period.

L-Rod


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Handy Husband for Hire, Inc." <hhh at zoomtown.com>
>Sent: May 28, 2008 5:07 AM
>To: 'Ned Tibbits' <ned at mountaineducation.com>, 'Sean Nordeen' <sean at lifesadventures.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow in May, and Preparation
>
>See a lot of inexperience on the AT in regards to first timer long distance
>hikers and thus that's probably why the success rate is much lower than the
>PCT.  Its admiral to see folks with little experience get out there and put
>their feet on the ground.  And, then with their struggles of snow, down
>pours and cold weather etc. choose to move forward on their journey.
>
>Lets try to see the greater good in our fellow hikers rather than revel in
>their obvious missteps.  Every hiker is on a different playing field in
>regards to experience and kudos again to those who are attempting to fulfill
>their dreams.
>
>Sibex
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>On Behalf Of Ned Tibbits
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:38 AM
>To: Sean Nordeen; pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow in May, and Preparation
>
>>From our observations, it's a lack of personal and practical on-trail 
>experience.
>
>It seems many have the desire but lack the training of previous journeys. 
>Out of a romantic zeal to attain something from the hike, they research and 
>assume and rarely test themselves and their food/gear in the identical 
>conditions that lie ahead.
>
>Are the guide books telling aspiring hikers what these conditions can be?
>Are future hikers reading the Journals of those who have gone before to hear
>
>what they went through?
>Do hikers really know that Preparation includes On-Trail Testing and 
>Training     if you want to be safe, successful, and have fun along the way?
>        Take a self-arrest course, go snow-camping for a week and cover 100
>            miles, spend a week in a rain forest and really see what it 
>takes to hike
>            day in and day out in the rain, etc..
>The most valuable tool for your success is between your ears, what you know 
>and how to put it to good, practical use where you're going.
>
>No matter how much we preach it, preparation, planning, training, testing, 
>the lemmings just keep on coming.
>
>Mtnned
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Sean Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:48 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Snow in May
>
>
>> It seems to me every year that we have a good snow storm in May, there are
>
>> always a couple of people hiking across the San Gabriels (and I'm sure 
>> elsewhere) who are not prepared for the weather.  I can remember, in 
>> previous years, reading several Trail Journals and hearing several tales 
>> of people stumbling into the Mill Creek Summit Station or some other 
>> similar place, or finding a ride on one of the road crossings while on the
>
>> verge of suffering from hypothermia.  I always wondered why, if they were 
>> so cold, didn't they stop and pitch their tent and wait it out in the 
>> warmth of their sleeping bag for a day or two.  Afterall, what's a few 
>> days of short rations to dying from exposure.  Well, I also always 
>> wondered about their lack of gear or experience in getting more out of 
>> what they were carrying, but that is too obvious to really comment further
>
>> on.
>>
>> But the idea that all of SoCal is all desert and it never rains/snows 
>> seems to be a common misconception to most of the nation.  I've seen that 
>> attitude stated in a few of the Yahoo PCT groups over the past few years 
>> that I joined when I started to think about thru-hiking.  There is always 
>> someone who talks about leaving their raingear or their tent/tarp out 
>> until the Sierras to save weight.  And many of the gearlists are really 
>> light on clothing layers.  For some reason, when some look at the maps 
>> showing the trail climbing to 9000ft or the mention of a couple of ski 
>> resorts along the way doesn't seem to register.  It's like their 
>> preconceptions are blinding them to what they are reading in the 
>> guidebooks and other places.
>>
>> -Sean
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