[pct-l] 8-10? day JMT thru-hike
laura wolff
lauraewolff at gmail.com
Sat Oct 25 16:43:07 CDT 2008
I hiked the JMT last summer in 14 days with 3 rest days. It was a leisurely
pace in some sense, with some longer days. 8-10 days is doable, but it's
definitely pushing it. I met two brothers who hiked it in 7 days. If you
only have 8-10 days, maybe consider starting at Tuolumne Meadows. I think
13-14 days with one rest day would be a better plan. I am athletic and in
shape, but my feet hurt after long days of hiking. I had 10 days worth of
food after VVR (although I didn't use it all), and hiked 22 miles that
day carrying 40 pounds. That day was difficult on my feet. Anyway, if
you're not used to long-distance hiking, even if you're in good shape, 8-10
days is very quick! and not the best plan if you have the ability to spend
more time on the trail.
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:40:07 -0700
> From: "Jonathan Blees" <Jblees at energy.state.ca.us>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>,"Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net>, "'Patrick'"
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> I already carry SEVERAL of those!
> <<<
>
> >>> "Bill" <BillBatch at cox.net> 10/24/2008 4:35 PM >>>
> <snip> Next year, I am coming out with my own pack design that is
> actually
> buoyant. The name of the pack is only a working name, but we are
> considering calling it The Fart as it weighs less than your average
> flatulence.
> <<<
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark v <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Misleading, just a bit
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Before you get TOO excited about trying to copy Nimblewill's pack weight,
> keep in mind that he had a support van. His self-professed Rules #1-3 for
> ultralight backpacking: "PUT IT IN THE VAN!"
>
> I was one who was rarely carrying more than 2 liters of water in the
> desert, and rarely more than 1 liter in the Sierra. I regularly ran out of
> water a couple miles before the next source, on purpose. Why carry it to
> the next source and drink it there? But, there were certainly times when i
> did carry 4-5 liters. Before you go overboard with carrying less water,
> make sure you differentiate between SURE water sources (plan to run out
> early) and POSSIBLE water sources (carry extra just in case). Any cache is
> only a POSSIBLE source, unless you have information that's very very
> up-to-date.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:57:04 -0700
> From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> Kerry
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:28 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: kcristler <kerouc at verizon.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> Kerry wrote:
> >
> hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> >
>
> Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be "yours in
> the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which is of
> course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers whenever they
> talk about gas mileage ratings.
>
> Eric
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> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:47:44 -0700
> From: "Ralph Alcorn" <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] base weights and ultralight packs & water use
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> I don't think Nimblewill would recommend that his water plan be followed. I
> met him in Oregon this summer, and talked with him a few minutes. At least
> in Oregon, he had a friend doing car support, so only needed to carry
> enough
> water to get him through the day. If you have a known water source ahead,
> then you can go a little lighter than otherwise.
>
> Ralph Alcorn
> http://www.backpack45.com/pct.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:05:57 -0500
> From: "Scott Davis" <smdmd141 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] JMT thru hiking
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> My 18 yo son and I, along with another father and 20 year old daughter are
> planning to hike the entire JMT southbound beginning late July 2009. As our
> time available is limited, what is the shortest reasonable number of days
> to
> hike the entire trail? We are planning to hike with packs weighing 25 lbs
> maximum and are all in excellent, athletic condition. We are hoping to
> complete the trail in 8-10 days with 1 pick-up at Muir Trail Ranch. Any
> thoughts/recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:24:22 -0700
> From: "Robert Snook" <verdick at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ulralite
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hmm, what about using some webbing and using your ground tarp or
> tent/tarptent as the backpack? That could work as some doubling up of
> items. Hmm...
>
>
>
> Robert Snook
> Verdick '05
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] " Base weights . . . " Six
> To: diane at santabarbarahikes.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Diane - =0A=A0 It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight
> headin=
> g north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20 or so
> mi=
> les away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I commenced my
> h=
> ike . He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one May
> five=
> morning. =0A=A0 One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be
> sure=
> to carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably arrogantly
> =
> ) I disdained / declined and maybe had three=A0plus . =0A=A0 Fifteen miles
> =
> along on a typical hot day I ran out . =0A=A0 I had tucked myself in under
> =
> the - what is that shrub called ? I tucked myself in and gained what shade
> =
> it had . Voila ! Along came Frank ( from La Belle Provence - Quebec ) and
> t=
> wo wonderful gals ( can ' t remember where from . ) I asked for water .
> The=
> y had plenty and in no way begrudged me . =0A=A0 On we went . =0A=A0 Maybe
> =
> nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came through that day . Most
> pas=
> sed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books most warn you not to
> overni=
> ght ) I ran out again ! Yikes .=A0And as likely you know there is that
> expo=
> sed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet just beyond and then maybe
> =
> three miles to the park . =0A=A0 I took off my pack and relaxed in the
> tall=
> grass after assuring myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to
> parc=
> hed creatures such as myself . Whoa ! =0A=A0 I talked to Rafter Jack .
> Ster=
> nly=A0: =0A=A0 " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ? There is
> =
> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like this . "
> =0A=
> =A0 Sea change . =0A=A0 After maybe two hours in which I worked to wait
> pat=
> iently=A0, Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore parasols -
> brightly=
> colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came along=A0. =0A=
> =A0 It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were still behind me .
> =
> =0A=A0 And again they were munificent ( the very next day a hiker came
> thro=
> ugh who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at Hauser and
> during=
> the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and taken=A0 his
> wat=
> er . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth " when he
> trailed=
> in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so miles w / o
> water=
> the next day . )=0A=A0 Maybe ' six '=A0needs to stand . . . here and
> there=
> ?=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rafter Jack
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> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
> --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york,
> times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Hi Diane - </DIV>
> <DIV> It was strongly urged that we not stop / overnight heading
> north from the border until we reached the County Park - some 20 or so miles
> away . Bob in San Diego had graciously housed me until I commenced my hike .
> He drove myself and a couple to the border early , early one May five
> morning. </DIV>
> <DIV> One of the other folks urged me ( reminded me ) to be sure to
> carry the requisite 6 quarts . Almost arrogantly ( probably arrogantly ) I
> disdained / declined and maybe had three plus . </DIV>
> <DIV> Fifteen miles along on a typical hot day I ran out . </DIV>
> <DIV> I had tucked myself in under the - what is that shrub called ?
> I tucked myself in and gained what shade it had . Voila ! Along came Frank (
> from La Belle Provence - Quebec ) and two wonderful gals ( can ' t remember
> where from . ) I asked for water . They had plenty and in no way begrudged
> me . </DIV>
> <DIV> On we went . </DIV>
> <DIV> Maybe nine through hikers ( and a ' jogger ' ! ) came through
> that day . Most passed me. At Hauser Canyon ( just where the books most warn
> you not to overnight ) I ran out again ! Yikes . And as likely you know
> there is that exposed switchback' lift ' of maybe 800 or 900 feet just
> beyond and then maybe three miles to the park . </DIV>
> <DIV> I took off my pack and relaxed in the tall grass after assuring
> myself Hauser Creek was totally not available to parched creatures such as
> myself . Whoa ! </DIV>
> <DIV> I talked to Rafter Jack . Sternly : </DIV>
> <DIV> " What in blazes do you think you are doing here ? There is
> absolutely NO way you are going to get to Canada behaving like this . "
> </DIV>
> <DIV> Sea change . </DIV>
> <DIV> After maybe two hours in which I worked to wait
> patiently , Frank and the wonderful ' girls ' ( who wore parasols -
> brightly colored , tucked between their packs and their backs ) came
> along . </DIV>
> <DIV> It was not a sure thing that they - or anyone , were still
> behind me . </DIV>
> <DIV> And again they were munificent ( the very next day a hiker came
> through who HAD , perhaps foolishly - decided to stay over at Hauser and
> during the night five ' illegals ' had awoken him at two A M and taken
> his water . His buddies gave him the trail name , " Cotton Mouth " when he
> trailed in after hiking that lift and the balance of three or so miles w / o
> water the next day . )</DIV>
> <DIV> Maybe ' six ' needs to stand . . . here and there ?</DIV>
> <DIV> Rafter Jack
> </DIV></div></body></html>
> --0-585269098-1224949988=:63973--
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:22:18 -0400
> From: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] YITOOD
> To: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> YITOOD is my favorite, and Eric is quite right, it is "Yours in the Out of
> Doors"
>
>
>
> YITOOD,
>
> Easy
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eric Lee (GAMES) <elee at microsoft.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Kerry wrote:
> > >
> > hello,hikers. what do YITOOD and YMMV stand for?
> > >
> >
> > Never heard of the first one, but a web search reveals it to be "yours in
> > the out of doors". The second is "your mileage may vary", which is of
> > course the standard disclaimer issued by car manufacturers whenever they
> > talk about gas mileage ratings.
> >
> > Eric
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