[pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting

Josh 559josh at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 17:26:08 CDT 2009

Not sure how U can call it stupid considering that all of the past
conversations were included in my post.  Sounds to me like you didn't
appreciate being called on your statement which I am still waiting/looking
for to find a documented reference.

The reason that I posted to the Server is that the link I included is quite
pertinent to the direction that the initial post has taken.

As far as 15 messages in 15hrs...how many of those were btwn the 2 of us
solely and not as the part of the online "conversation"???  2...3???  I
sincerely have no interest in "talking to you" as an individual...if I did,
then I would have given you my phone #...but as long as PCT-I is
running...and I come across posts that spark my interest, I will continue to
reply as I see fit.  As the professor that you are, I'm not sure why
conversing civilly rubs you the wrong way anyway. <confused>

Here's another link regarding CA DFG:

2008 CA Hunting Regulation:
The ONLY reference to Mountain Lions: 251.5--Possession of Live Mountain

1972 to 2007 Chart of Lions Killed under Depredation Permits:

Posted by Georgi/FireFly:
"Correct...in CA, they're protected by law.  Contracted hunters are allowed,
tho they usually track with dogs that tree the cat so they stand no chance
of escape, which, unless there's been an attack on a human that requires a
hunt down and destroy decision, seems somewhat unsportsmanlike.  Ranchers
are supposed to get a deprivation permit if livestock is being taken, but
most ranchers tend to not wait, and take a 'shoot first and bury
immediately' attitude if they're lucky enough to spot the offending cat when
they've a rifle in hand.  This makes sense to me...they may never get
another chance.  Most ranchers around here don't keep hunting/tracking dogs,
mostly working herd dogs that may try to protect livestock and become
victims themselves.  A good herd dog is worth hundreds of $ and are prized
by their owners.

Legally, dogs cannot be used to carry-out depredation permit kills...maybe
they can by Govt. Contracted Hunters.  Not sure there.  If I was a rancher &
I saw one (cougar, bear, whatever) attacking something of mine, I'd shoot
1st & sort things out later too!

And while I agree that it may be unsportsmanlike, I kinda like that fact
insomuch that while there's a part of me that feels that the cougar should
have a fighting chance at survival, there's the other part of me that feels
that since we (the rest of us) can't hunt them, it's shouldn't be "fun" for
the permit holders either...if that made any sense. Lol


-----Original Message-----
From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:36 PM
To: Josh
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting

Josh, when i'm emailing a reply to you personally, it's really stupid and
inappropriate to copy it on a reply to the listserv.  Please leave me alone.
I've received something like 15 emails from you in 15 hours now.

My sources are easily found from googling mountain lion attack statistics.
I trust them over your word.  


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