[pct-l] Water Filters

Wed Dec 9 15:26:37 CST 2009

I must be part machine b/c cow poop water doesn't seem to affect my body at
all.......

... just kidding, yeah even the time i found a spring on the side of a hill
that cows grazed on and it looked better than nothing i still filtered and
treated.  Cows are scary creatures.
Horses on the other hand only scare me a bit, i drank out of a stream that
horse were grazing above and only got sick for a day or so.  But to this day
i'm still not sure if it was from the water, that's another story.. =)

OD
pct 08
Iron Goat 08

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Fantastic advice.
>
> I was a tonto. I had iodine with me. I was just too lazy to use it. The
> water looked clean but it wasn't running fast. I should have known better.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>
>
> Ernie Castillo
> erniec01 at hotmail.com
> 248 884 5201
>
>
>
>
> > From: 559josh at gmail.com
> > To: erniec01 at hotmail.com; brooklynkayak at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Water Filters
> > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:56:40 -0800
> >
> > Ernie,
> > Cattle are common carriers of Cryptosporidium. That's most likely what
> you
> > caught. Crypto lodges & multiplies in your intestines. Your body attempts
> > to FLUSH them out by passing large amounts of waste (which quickly
> becomes
> > diarrhea) to get rid of them. As long as you're healthy this works but
> the
> > process can take up to 3-weeks (more usually, 1 week).
> >
> > I use Polar Pure Iodine Crystals which work great for just about
> everything
> > (Keep reading). A couple of bottles (~$15ea) purify enough water for a
> thru
> > hike. UV works against Crypto albeit not 100% of them are killed in the
> > typical few seconds that a steripen is used. Boiling is the only SURE way
> > to kill Crypto.
> >
> > Since 100% of my water is iodized and ~35% of my daily water is boiled, I
> > feel confidently safe against waterborne illnesses. I have yet to get
> sick
> > from water in the thousands of gallons of treated water I've taken-in in
> the
> > backcountry over the years.
> >
> > I DID get sick once years ago. I believe it to be from untreated water
> > because, like you, I thought there was no risk from the "pristine" water
> and
> > so I never treated it.
> >
> > I KNOW that there's a million opinions on water...I'll leave others to
> spend
> > the next thousand posts arguing how/why their system is the "Best". I use
> > iodine CRYSTALS bcuz:
> > 1) I don't mind the taste
> > 2) It purifies
> > 3) It's simple
> > 4) It's LIGHT
> > 5) It's fail-proof (no batteries, filters, equipment, etc to
> > die/clog/fail/break)
> > 6) It's not immediate, but it's fairly quick (30min 'contact' time). I
> have
> > yet to die from dehydration from having to wait 30mins. For that matter,
> I
> > have yet to be majorly inconvenienced from the wait.
> >
> > Since I treat at least 1L at a time (sometimes up to 6L) and drink it
> > relatively slowly, the iodine's contact time is often HOURS which
> increases
> > the % of Crypto & Giardia CYSTS that it 'kills'. While iodine DOESN'T
> Kill
> > ALL of the cysts even under this set of circumstances, it does kill
> > (according to Univ. of Az) 48% to 81% of the cysts when the contact time
> is
> > this high.
> >
> > I wonder what percentage of the CYSTS that a steripen 'kills' under
> typical
> > PCT conditions. Hmm..
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Ernie Castillo
> > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:23 PM
> > To: brooklynkayak at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Filters
> >
> >
> > One of my regrets from my through hike in 1980: not treating my water.
> >
> > It was a combination of feeling invincible, trusting nature, and
> laziness.
> >
> > It caught up to me in Northern California as I was hiking ahead of my
> group.
> > I came across a stream, not moving that fast, but looking clean and
> > pristine. So I just dipped my water bottle into the stream.
> >
> > Big mistake. I didn't notice the cows grazing by the side of the stream
> less
> > than a 100 yards away.My hiking buddies pointed it out to me once they
> > caught up.
> >
> > The next day, I was the only having to catch up because I kept having to
> > take the proverbial dump in the woods. It got worse. I realized later
> that I
> > may have got a bout of salmonella poisoning, e coli bacteria, or H
> pylori. I
> > was sick for about a week, had trouble keeping food down, had non-stop
> > diarrhea, and even thought about leaving the trail to find a doctor. But
> I
> > persevered and learned a valuable lesson.
> >
> > If in doubt, boil it out.
> >
> > Ernie Castillo
> > erniec01 at hotmail.com
> > 248 884 5201
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: brooklynkayak at gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:18:01 -0500
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Filters
> > >
> > > I either boil, chemically treat and/or filter all water.
> > >
> > > Many people have developed their systems to the point that they can
> > > drink almost anything.
> > >
> > > Maybe some day I'll work on that, but for now I don't want to take any
> > chances.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Michael Peterson <
> depthhappens at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Thanks Steve. Did you ever not treat the water?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Steve McAllister
> > > > <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Filters can make nasty water taste better. Water from forest fire
> > > >> areas, water with lots of tannin or other nasty stuff in it can be
> > > >> turned into god tasting water.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pre-filtering is very important. You can plug up a filter very
> > > >> quickly if the water has a lot of suspended particles.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have totally plugged up a prefilter from filtering just 2 liters
> > > >> from a clear flowing stream in the fall. Turns out there was a lot
> > > >> of particles from fallen leaves in the water.
> > > >>
> > > >> I use Aqua Mira drops, but will also filter with a very light
> > > >> "Frontier Pro2" if the water is nasty.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Michael Peterson
> > > >> <wordgrouper at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > What's the wisdom from the trail regarding water filters?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > M
> > > >> >
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