[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 69
Robert McCullough
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Sat Dec 12 18:09:32 CST 2009
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Crisis in CA (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
2. Re: Barefooting (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
3. Re: Crisis in CA (CHUCK CHELIN)
4. Sore foot: a follow up (J J at Ridge Trail)
5. Re: Crisis in CA (ed faubert)
6. Blisters 2-sock approach (Jereen Anderson)
7. Georgi at Old Station............. (Andrea Dinsmore)
8. Re: Georgi at Old Station............. (Bob Bankhead)
9. Georgi at Old Station............. (Sean Nordeen)
10. Re: Blisters 2-sock approach (Yoshihiro Murakami)
11. Re: Blisters 2-sock approach (Stephen Adams)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:39:49 -0800
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crisis in CA
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Dollar store. Umbrella. You'll survive.
Hey, I've noticed here in So Cal that every day the weather has an
Advisory! It's so annoying.
Diane
On Dec 12, 2009, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> We may have a major emergency on our hands here in So Cal. For the
> past several hours
> now *water* has been falling *from the sky*. Everything is wet.
> Even the soil is a darker shade
> of brown. This strange phenomenon appears to be occurring
> throughout most of So Cal, and
> I am getting rather nervous about it. Any advice would be
> appreciated, as long as it doesn't
> involve bare feet. Thank you.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:41:46 -0800
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Barefooting
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I completely forgot. I met a girl on the trail doing the Washington
section. She was wearing shoes when I met her, but I heard later that
she would hike barefoot often. Her trailname was Flicker. She seemed
to be having a good time.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:47:58 -0800
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crisis in CA
To: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good evening, Wes,
The life of the entire Pacific Ocean is at stake. The answer is to tax the
dickens out that wet stuff falling from the sky by levying against all
private property upon which the water falls. That money will be
subsequently used to build pumping stations to divert the water into
swimming pools which will be built for the needy, thereby assuring that
those rivers ? like typical S. Cal. rivers ? do not actually reach the sea
to pollute the Pacific?s marine ecosystems.
Steel-Eye
Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> We may have a major emergency on our hands here in So Cal. For the past
> several hours
> now *water* has been falling *from the sky*. Everything is wet. Even the
> soil is a darker shade
> of brown. This strange phenomenon appears to be occurring throughout most
> of So Cal, and
> I am getting rather nervous about it. Any advice would be appreciated, as
> long as it doesn't
> involve bare feet. Thank you.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:49:28 -0800
From: J J at Ridge Trail <jj at ridgetrailhiker.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Sore foot: a follow up
To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Greetings,
The nurse practitioner at the VA said I had been wearing sandals too much, *and* that I needed bigger walking shoes. And she massaged my foot! New Balance 910s 15 4Es arrive next week. Here's hoping I'm hopping. Thanks for the good advice.
Walk well,
Jim Keener ( J J )
_________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:04:44 -0800 (PST)
From: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crisis in CA
To: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Cann't give any advise unless one knows where you live..... I live as the crow flies less then 6 miles from the burn area and i can drive one mile from my house and see all the way to Baldy on the east and almost out to LaCanada and beyon to the west. As close as i am i am in no danger from mud flows but if you live closer to the burn area then i do i would leave now...... cause the hills will be coming down in some places by tonight!!!!
?
Meadow Ed
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Crisis in CA
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
We may have a major emergency on our hands here in So Cal.? For the past several hours
now *water* has been falling *from the sky*.? Everything is wet. Even the soil is a darker shade
of brown.? This strange phenomenon appears to be occurring throughout most of So Cal, and
I am getting rather nervous about it.? Any advice would be appreciated, as long as it doesn't
involve bare feet.? Thank you.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:16:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Jereen Anderson <jereenanderson at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Blisters 2-sock approach
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>From MendoRider.
Sean, I'm sure that you have had a lot of good advice in PCT-1 - and I haven't read all of the posts on the subject. I did a lot of Sierra backpacking during the 50's and 60's going up to about?15 or 25 miles`per day - - - not as far as some of the hikers do today. In those days I always wore leather boots - 6" high?to protect my ankles and a size larger than my normal shoe size. Being leather, they required breaking in. What I and others did was to hike in a stream until they were thoroughly soaked and then hike them dry. The leather would tend to dry to the shape of your foot. Then you needed to oil them really well. We always wore 2 pairs`of socks. The first pair was lightweight slightly stretchy nylon that protected the foot from rubbing (and therefore blisters). The second pair was wool. I don't recall blisters being a problem when I used this approach. Today most hikers don't use leather but the 2-sock idea might help with todays' shoes. Has
anyone tried that?
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:20:40 -0800
From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Georgi at Old Station.............
To: pct back country <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Here's some info on our super trail angel at Old Station,
Ca.................
I love the snow that's supposed to fall pretty much thru Tuesday or
so...wish it had appeared a couple of days sooner.... This subzero cold that
froze pipes in the shop bathroom finally warmed up enough that those pipes
thawed, burst thru the wallboard with so much force, it peeled wallboard on
three other walls and flooded the shop and garage....the rest of the list,
the furnace (or thermostat, won't know til the stove guy gets here), the
less than efficient wood stove has the necessary part on order...Really
can't complain about a washer that groans occasionally...it's done at least
25 years of loads of clothes. The hiker washer out in back has really
helped. A-n-d...the snow is beautiful, (time for Les Schwab to do my studded
tires), and the Old Station 'snow bunny' potluck at the firehouse tonight
(time for my 'famous' Bourbon Yams). Life is good! I agree with Andrea...you
folks are so great to pitch in and help us...couldn't keep this place up w/o
you.
(when the walls dry out, a couple of folks helping in the shop bath might be
a great help. FW gets an MRI on his knee on Mon. to see if there's more than
a torn minuscus. One way or another, we're getting the knee fixed.....but
having been there, healing takes time. Love ya all. Sugar Mama...a Road Trip
anytime...just remember, the tree house is C-o-l-d right about now! But
there's always the living room floor.
Anyone maybe close or who has time.........Georgi and Denny could use some
hiker help. Be a chance to pay back for the kindness they have shown for
years.
PCT MOM
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Georgi at Old Station.............
To: <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>, "pct back country"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <4A9759EE58D44A42A8926A8FC8CCE15A at BOB>
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Also see the photos and write-up in the Dec 2009 issue of the PCTA Communicator, pages 8 - 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrea Dinsmore
To: pct back country
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Georgi at Old Station.............
Here's some info on our super trail angel at Old Station,
Ca.................
I love the snow that's supposed to fall pretty much thru Tuesday or
so...wish it had appeared a couple of days sooner.... This subzero cold that
froze pipes in the shop bathroom finally warmed up enough that those pipes
thawed, burst thru the wallboard with so much force, it peeled wallboard on
three other walls and flooded the shop and garage....the rest of the list,
the furnace (or thermostat, won't know til the stove guy gets here), the
less than efficient wood stove has the necessary part on order...Really
can't complain about a washer that groans occasionally...it's done at least
25 years of loads of clothes. The hiker washer out in back has really
helped. A-n-d...the snow is beautiful, (time for Les Schwab to do my studded
tires), and the Old Station 'snow bunny' potluck at the firehouse tonight
(time for my 'famous' Bourbon Yams). Life is good! I agree with Andrea...you
folks are so great to pitch in and help us...couldn't keep this place up w/o
you.
(when the walls dry out, a couple of folks helping in the shop bath might be
a great help. FW gets an MRI on his knee on Mon. to see if there's more than
a torn minuscus. One way or another, we're getting the knee fixed.....but
having been there, healing takes time. Love ya all. Sugar Mama...a Road Trip
anytime...just remember, the tree house is C-o-l-d right about now! But
there's always the living room floor.
Anyone maybe close or who has time.........Georgi and Denny could use some
hiker help. Be a chance to pay back for the kindness they have shown for
years.
PCT MOM
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:23:05 -0800
From: "Sean Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Georgi at Old Station.............
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>>Also see the photos and write-up in the Dec 2009 issue of the PCTA Communicator, pages 8 - 10.
Which probably annoyed Firefly since she told many of us who stayed there this summer that they don't want their real names in print or on the internet connecting them with the Hideaway in Old Station over concerns that their donation based "hostel" might catch some kind government regulation attention. So I kinda cringed when I saw their last name mentioned in the article.
-Sean "Miner" Nordeen
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:54:04 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Blisters 2-sock approach
To: muckraker2 at yahoo.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The foot blisters are caused by the heat of the frictions between
socks and foot. So, It is important to reduce the friction. The ways
to avoid blisters are:
1. to wear suitable boots or shoes. I think slightly larger boots
lets heat go.
2. to maintain appropriate moisture level. I usually change my socks
in 3 hours. Too dry and too moisture is bad.
3.To use appropriate insoles. Good insoles prevents blisters and
injuries:I usually wear SOLBO:It is very cheap and effective.
4.Antiperspirants and drying powders do not appear effective. I
found two papers in PubMed in this morning( I live in Japan )
5. A thin polyester sock, combined with a thick wool or
polypropylene sock are effective to prevent blisters: Knapik JJ, et
al. Sports Med. 1995 Sep;20(3):136-47."Friction blisters.
Pathophysiology, prevention and treatment." This layer system is
effective to exhaust moisture. I read this in other papers.
Thus, Jereen 's approach is right. I had tried two socks approach
once but I gave up because of the shoes size. Now, I wear very cheap
smart sock and change new one when I feel moisture.
2009/12/13 Jereen Anderson <jereenanderson at yahoo.com>:
> >From MendoRider.
> Sean, I'm sure that you have had a lot of good advice in PCT-1 - and I haven't read all of the posts on the subject. I did a lot of Sierra backpacking during the 50's and 60's going up to about?15 or 25 miles`per day - - - not as far as some of the hikers do today. In those days I always wore leather boots - 6" high?to protect my ankles and a size larger than my normal shoe size. Being leather, they required breaking in. What I and others did was to hike in a stream until they were thoroughly soaked and then hike them dry. The leather would tend to dry to the shape of your foot. Then you needed to oil them really well. We always wore 2 pairs`of socks. The first pair was lightweight slightly stretchy nylon that protected the foot from rubbing (and therefore blisters). The second pair was wool. I don't recall blisters being a problem when I used this approach. Today most hikers don't use leather but the 2-sock idea might help with todays' shoes. Has
> ?anyone tried that?
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Sincerely
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Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
HP:http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:01:18 -0800
From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Blisters 2-sock approach
To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, muckraker2 at yahoo.com
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Highly breathable shoes are a big help with foot comfort, especially when it's hot, but also aids in letting water out and speeds drying. I've noticed a lot of shoes that claim venting and breathability are just not so, though they let water in pretty easy and then stay soggy too long.
On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Yoshihiro Murakami wrote:
> The foot blisters are caused by the heat of the frictions between
> socks and foot. So, It is important to reduce the friction. The ways
> to avoid blisters are:
>
> 1. to wear suitable boots or shoes. I think slightly larger boots
> lets heat go.
> 2. to maintain appropriate moisture level. I usually change my socks
> in 3 hours. Too dry and too moisture is bad.
> 3.To use appropriate insoles. Good insoles prevents blisters and
> injuries:I usually wear SOLBO:It is very cheap and effective.
> 4.Antiperspirants and drying powders do not appear effective. I
> found two papers in PubMed in this morning( I live in Japan )
> 5. A thin polyester sock, combined with a thick wool or
> polypropylene sock are effective to prevent blisters: Knapik JJ, et
> al. Sports Med. 1995 Sep;20(3):136-47."Friction blisters.
> Pathophysiology, prevention and treatment." This layer system is
> effective to exhaust moisture. I read this in other papers.
>
> Thus, Jereen 's approach is right. I had tried two socks approach
> once but I gave up because of the shoes size. Now, I wear very cheap
> smart sock and change new one when I feel moisture.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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