[pct-l] Leg, curls, leg extensions and lactic acid
Richard Bazley
bazleyr at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Feb 5 03:36:16 CST 2009
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Leg Exercises, etc. (Stephen)
2. Re: Keene Creek Property (Tortoise)
3. Re: stream crossing near miss (Stephen)
4. Re: sierra club (Stephen)
5. Ideas for hiking in spring (roni h)
6. Re: Leg Exercises, etc. (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:37:53 -0800
From: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Leg Exercises, etc.
To: "Jonathan Blees" <Jblees at energy.state.ca.us>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, <bazleyr at yahoo.co.uk>
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When Bicycle racing at a high level training for leg strength, ie: weights
and gym work were done in the off season as this hampered performance
noticeably. However, as far as cross training, I will add this, riding made
me incredibly strong out on the trails with good all day endurance when I
first started packing a lot. The hiking did not however help the riding
when I would get home to sea level, which I thought it would only being away
for a couple weeks, so I started taking my bike and riding some really neat
counrty like Lassen and the road in and out of Cedar Grove at Kings. I am
currently starting to ride again as a means to cross training and building
leg strentgh back, butthe bike strenth isnot like weights and works towards
both strentgh and endurance. If any is interested on how I approach leg
training on my bikes over the years I can elaborate. Just making the pedals
go round isn't exactly what I mean.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Blees" <Jblees at energy.state.ca.us>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>; <bazleyr at yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Leg Exercises, etc.
>>>>
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Richard Bazley wrote:
> <snip>
> My trainer told me that too many leg exercises is not good for hiking and
> running <snip>. However, was I was training for the AT in 2004,
I'm sure
> I was also doing leg extensions and leg curls in addition to the press. ?
> Was I flirting with disaster?? Or was my trainer wrong and these types of
> exercises are fine as pre-hike conditionoing.
>
> Regards
>
> St Rick
> **********
>
> Wildheart replies:
>
> Dear St Rick,
>
> I'm a not-in-great-shape, not-a-health-professional, 58-year-old
section
> hiker with bad knees (I've had a miniscectomy on each one). I find
leg
> curls and leg extensions to be crucial for knee comfort as well as for
> all-around fitness. Note, however, that I have read and heard from many
> sources that leg extensions should be done only halfway down (i.e., extend
> your leg all the way, but lower it only halfway), and my experience
> suggests that this is good advice (at least for me). I have also read and
> heard that leg presses are bad for folks with bad knees, and they hurt
> when I do them, so I don't do them. Caveat: as always, YMMV.
>
> As for the lactic acid building up, I have no idea.
>
> Most important: have a great hike!
Thanks for your responses. I have added leg extensions and leg curls to my training, but don't want to overdo it. I think building up gradually is the key to an endurance challenge like the PCT. I would hate to call the whole thing off just because I did one too many reps at the gym!.
St Rick
> <<<
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:09:08 -0800
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Keene Creek Property
To: Gary_Peterson at URSCorp.com
Cc: Pct-l at backcountry.net
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One important point. according to the PCTA, the PCTA did not purchase
the property, just a conservation easement.
This means the "seller" still owns the property, the PCTA has made an
agreement with her limiting the use of the property.
Our rights as hikers and PCTA are specified in the easement.
Tortoise
<> He who finishes last, wins! <>
Gary_Peterson at URSCorp.com wrote:
> I was thrilled to hear about the successful First Mile Fund. I have not
> yet had the opportunity to see the section the PCTA is now poised to
> purchase. Can anyone who has hiked through the Keene Creek Property give
a
> little accounting of the treasure we have all just saved? It would make
> the event all the more sweeter.
>
> Gary Peterson
> Orinda, CA
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:22:49 -0800
From: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stream crossing near miss
To: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Because it was rude and completely out of context. I counted to ten and
decided I was about to do the absolute right thing. Talk on your cell phone all
you want, but please do so ina way that does not encroach on others experience,
and one of mine is to leave all that and electricity behind.
But honestly if you had been there you might have agreed I did the right thing,
and you were not there. On the other hand, someone might come along when I hurt
and help me out because they have a cell phone. If I had one you'd be
welcome to it, esspecially in an emergency. But this lady was blabbin pretty
loud like folks do on cell phones as if New York could here better, and in an
absolutley peaceful and pristine setting withother folks around. Rude ! with a
capital "R". But relax, I probably would approach something like that
very differently ten years later, a little wiser, and a lot nicer. I'll
have to see if I can find anything I wrote in my journal about that. I know I
wrote down something about running into the group later, and while I left this
out, I actually apologized to that lady along the high travese trail just west
of Keasarge Pass. The look on her face when she registered who I was was
priceless.
And like I said earlier, I ussualy like my trailside encounters with the
various personalities I meet from these trips. Often there will be one or two
people struggling for whom a little encouragement and some small advise can be
very helpful. I always try and make time for anyone I meet. A few seaasons
ago, probably five years, I met a lady from the Bay area who had climbed Mt
Julius Cesar and lost where she stashed her fanny pack. I met her after
she'd gone looking for it and given up. So I got her info and contiued onup
to Italy Pass for my own climb of the peak. I've been up Cesar three times
now, and crossed Italy Pass at least eight times, and there is a natural way
folks tend to start up from the pass. I found her pack imediately without even
trying. I have not the slightest idea how she missed it, but she did. When I
hiked back out after touring acouple of the Bear Lakes and crossing White Bear
pass and circling back around I picked up the pack and hauled it o
ut with me, along with her hiking poles that were with it. I called her frrom
Mammoth and said I'd send it from the P.O. down the street right away
priority and don't worry about the five bucks, and I could not believe what
a snob she turned out to be. Started insisting I send it UPS next day and
wasn't even nice or grateful I packed her stuff out. So there to me is
someone who probably should not have been in the Mtns in the first place. I
sincerely considered tossing the crap in the trash, but I went and sent it and
be done with it. So I wont for a minute consider I am unreasonable. That was
the third time I packed stuff out for people who asked me to if I found it. How
come I can find the stuff and they can't? I never look very hard either,
just naturally find things, things that really should not be lost.
So as not to sound unrealistic, there will always be folks out and about who
can use a little help. If that means confronting them for being absolutely
obnoxious on a cell phone, please allow me to be of assistance. Baby Jesus
don't have nothing to do with it unless that's your gig. I prefer a
little Zen.
----- Original Message -----
From: Will Hiltz
To: Stephen
Cc: Gary Schenk ; pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stream crossing near miss
Why be rude to someone talking on a cellphone? Doing such helped me through
a lot of lonely times on the trail. Who is to say that talking or not talking
on cellphones is the "right"
way? Sweet baby Jesus teaches tolerance if I'm not mistaken... why not
just move along?
YITOOD,
Easy
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
wrote:
I didn't say what I read, but a few comments are pretty nasty. But I
have
explored a good deal of what's in Peaks, Passes and Trails, and from
what I
gather from my experience in comparison, a good deal more than the author.
And I said accidents, not death, but you can include it if you like. Some
lady took a nice dive this last early season, I think it was approaching Mt
Mendal. Just because you join a club doesn't mean you are particularly
suited to its activities. Anyone can buy tools; doesn't mean they are
mechanically inclined. Catch my meaning. You can root for the club all you
want, I just know what I've encountered and heard from trail crews and
rangers over many years in the Sierra and Southwest. I'm also not
suggesting the SC or anyone involved is good, bad ,or irresponsible.
However, it was a SC outing that the man suffered the bear slash from
imporper food storage, and a SC outing that had the broken ankle on the
Middlefork Kings. It was a SC outing when the woman tossed to her death
over
near Darwin, and it was a SC outing that they had this water crossing
trouble that could have been easily avoided. It was also a SC outing I
believe when Secor pitched a little while ago near Baldy area. Nothing
personal, and I have met some real nice folks from SC outings, but a good
many have absolutley no business out in the backcountry. Ever heard of car
camping? So I'm on Muir Pass about nine years ago. There is a small
group,
about seven or eight. Oh well, I'll just say howdy and have my snack
right.
All good. Then some lady gets on her cell phone and starts yackin away
like
she's in the market or who knows what she was thinkin. Really rude, so
I
put on my rude hat too and that was solved imediately. Funny thing is I
ran
into this group again about a few days later going out over Keasarge. The
lady looked like she'd been ostrisized and the rest of the group seemed
kinda glad to see me and was very friendly. Hum? So what I'm telling
you
by this little story is having a high profile club sort of creates a sort
of
image for all. Sloppy camps, rude people, accidents, improper backcountry
etiquite, and approaching the mountians with an attitude of propriety.
I'm
sure it's actually worse outside the club like the father and son who
got
lost over Gardiner Pass for a couple days,or the PCT'r who tossed
'cause he
had no axe, but when you have a high profile people tend to notice more,
and
when you have a name with Sierra in it, you have a lot to live up to. I
just don't see it. What you have now is a big political lobby that has
become a bit unwiedly and lost focus many years gone now. Meanwhile the
backcountry experience has deteriorated, and I'm not so sure part of
the
reason isn't the SC itself. Change is good, try it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Schenk" <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stream crossing near miss
> On Monday 02 February 2009 23:54:06 Stephen wrote:
>> Yeah and they tend to have a lot of accidents, seems a trait
common to SC
>> outings.
>
> In 50+ years of the Sierra Club's Angeles Chapter's Sierra
Peaks Section
> climbing throughout the Sierra, there has been one death on an outing.
>
>>No disrepect to Mr Secor, but there are some interesting comments
>>regarding him in a numberof peak registeries.
>
> Don't believe everything you read in a register.
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:29:21 -0800
From: "Stephen" <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sierra club
To: "Ellen Shopes"
<igellen at comcast.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <009301c98739$8fd02bc0$838b8304 at Stephen>
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Ever follow a string of pack mules? Hiking up into the Ansel Adams
Wilderness once I could not figure which was worse, my farts or the mules.
So I said to the packer from a switchback, "You must be feeding your mules
the same stuff I'm eating."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sierra club
> Those people who experience the wilderness in any form are those most
> likely
> to appreciate and protect it. Organizations like the Sierra Club, Boy
> Scouts, etc, have their share of inexperienced folks. I like to think
> that
> John Muir recognized that getting people out there was the first step in
> protecting a place (even at risk of degrading the wilderness experience).
> At Grand Canyon, every year I would hear people complain about the
> commercial mule trips--they erode the trail, kick up dust, and the piss
> ponds were something to smell! With all that, think of how many more
> people
> got to know the canyon intimately! How enthused they came away from their
> mule trip about the wonders in the canyon! We win advocates for the
> wilderness this way.
> Ellen
>
>
>
>>I didn't say what I read, but a few comments are pretty nasty. But
I have
>> explored a good deal of what's in Peaks, Passes and Trails, and
from what
>> I
>> gather from my experience in comparison, a good deal more than the
>> author.
>> And I said accidents, not death, but you can include it if you like.
>> Some
>> lady took a nice dive this last early season, I think it was
approaching
>> Mt
>> Mendal. Just because you join a club doesn't mean you are
particularly
>> suited to its activities. Anyone can buy tools; doesn't mean they
are
>> mechanically inclined. Catch my meaning. You can root for the club
all
>> you
>> want, I just know what I've encountered and heard from trail crews
and
>> rangers over many years in the Sierra and Southwest. I'm also not
>> suggesting the SC or anyone involved is good, bad ,or irresponsible.
>> However, it was a SC outing that the man suffered the bear slash from
>> imporper food storage, and a SC outing that had the broken ankle on
the
>> Middlefork Kings. It was a SC outing when the woman tossed to her
death
>> over
>> near Darwin, and it was a SC outing that they had this water crossing
>> trouble that could have been easily avoided. It was also a SC outing
I
>> believe when Secor pitched a little while ago near Baldy area.
Nothing
>> personal, and I have met some real nice folks from SC outings, but a
good
>> many have absolutley no business out in the backcountry. Ever heard of
>> car
>> camping? So I'm on Muir Pass about nine years ago. There is a
small
>> group,
>> about seven or eight. Oh well, I'll just say howdy and have my
snack
>> right.
>> All good. Then some lady gets on her cell phone and starts yackin
away
>> like
>> she's in the market or who knows what she was thinkin. Really
rude, so I
>> put on my rude hat too and that was solved imediately. Funny thing is
I
>> ran
>> into this group again about a few days later going out over Keasarge.
>> The
>> lady looked like she'd been ostrisized and the rest of the group
seemed
>> kinda glad to see me and was very friendly. Hum? So what I'm
telling
>> you
>> by this little story is having a high profile club sort of creates a
sort
>> of
>> image for all. Sloppy camps, rude people, accidents, improper
>> backcountry
>> etiquite, and approaching the mountians with an attitude of propriety.
>> I'm
>> sure it's actually worse outside the club like the father and son
who got
>> lost over Gardiner Pass for a couple days,or the PCT'r who tossed
'cause
>> he
>> had no axe, but when you have a high profile people tend to notice
more,
>> and
>> when you have a name with Sierra in it, you have a lot to live up to.
I
>> just don't see it. What you have now is a big political lobby
that has
>> become a bit unwiedly and lost focus many years gone now. Meanwhile
the
>> backcountry experience has deteriorated, and I'm not so sure part
of the
>> reason isn't the SC itself. Change is good, try it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Schenk" <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] stream crossing near miss
>>
>>
>>> On Monday 02 February 2009 23:54:06 Stephen wrote:
>>>> Yeah and they tend to have a lot of accidents, seems a trait
common to
>>>> SC
>>>> outings.
>>>
>>> In 50+ years of the Sierra Club's Angeles Chapter's Sierra
Peaks Section
>>> climbing throughout the Sierra, there has been one death on an
outing.
>>>
>>>>No disrepect to Mr Secor, but there are some interesting
comments
>>>>regarding him in a numberof peak registeries.
>>>
>>> Don't believe everything you read in a register.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gary
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:39:41 -0600
From: roni h <roni.h10000 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Ideas for hiking in spring
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, cdt-l at backcountry.net
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Hi everyone.
I'm looking for suggestion and Ideas of what to do and where to hike
between
mid March and the end of May.
I'm currently working as an outdoor instructor in a winter boy scout camp
in
northern Minnesota (and no, I would definitely not describe the weather here
as tropical).
My job here ends around the second week of March and as I'll probably work
here this summer (leading canoe trips in the boundary waters, which should
be really fun) starting in the end of May, I'm looking for something to do
in the ten weeks in between.
As I've hiked many of the long trails, I'm looking for something
new, perhaps somewhere in the greater southwest, partly because that seems
like the right area for spring, and partly because my hiking experience
there is limited to the pct and cdt.
I'm wondering if anyone can suggest other trails there (or anywhere else),
maybe a combination of trails that I can do for 10 weeks (I'm a pretty slow
hiker).
I would prefer something that's logistically relatively easy, because
I won't have much time to plan.
I would be also nice, if possible to join other hikers, as I don't enjoy
that much hiking alone for more than a few weeks, and it would save me the
planing.
So if anyone has suggestions, ideas, condescending advice, warnings, dire
prediction etc' I'd love to hear.
Roni (from Israel)
P.S.
I hope I'm not offending anyone when I say that in the world of yahoo and
google, the pct-l and cdt-l interface seems a little bit primitive (there
isn't even a good search option in the archives). As I've been out of
the
loop for a while I'm wondering if there are other mailing lists/websites
for
long distance hikers where I can ask for advice.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:49:14 -0800
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Leg Exercises, etc.
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:51 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Richard Bazley wrote:
>
> My trainer told me that too many leg exercises is not good for
> hiking and running
I don't know anything about weight training. I'm curious why leg
exercises would be bad? How much is too much?
I think I could have benefitted from something to strengthen my
quads. I still could benefit from that. Any leg exercises that don't
require me signing up for a gym membership but also will actually
work my quads (without allowing me to fake my way out of working my
quads)?
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