[pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags

[The Incredible Bulk]

Ed, et al,

I used a Western Mountaineering 20 degree Versalite bag, a 3/4 length
Gossamer Gear pad, and a Gossamer Gear Cryo Cloth ground sheet.  I slept in
thermal underwear top and bottom, wool cap and gloves, and was comfortable,
even slightly too warm, even though the temps were in upper 20s and low 30s
at night.  Remember the frost on our bags each morning?  Didn't take long to
dry them in the sun during the morning hiking break.

I am sure I would have been comfortable with temps to 20 degrees F, or
slighty below, with this setup, wearing a few more clothes.

Tom
The Incredible Bulk


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:14 AM, ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Meadow Ed here...........
> I just got back from 3 weeks winter camping in the Grand C., one of those
> weeks was with Billy Goat. Cause of the time of year and the location we
> were "forced" to stay in our bags over 12 hours each night where temps got
> down to high 20s. Out side of a 3 night camp where i pitched only once we
> cowboy camped the entire trip. Lets see here, first 4 nights there was 5 of
> us  cowboying so thats 20, then 6 nights alone but only three night CBing,
> 23 then 7x3 is 21, so adding it all night our group had 44 wintertime
> bivwacks, Two sticks pitched the whole time. Most of you remember i use a
> piece of sheepskin to sleep on but i added a thermal rest pad and a
> goretex  bivy sack under me. so with tyvec i had 4 layers under me and still
> did not zip up my bag. A few nights i slept in both thermal pants and sweat
> pants other night just one or the other, granted i had wool hat and gloves
> on all night. I slept toasty must nights. Billy Goat slept each night in
>  all his layers of clothes and seemed to be warm enough. Those of you who
> has camped with him and knows his style of hiking til dark, laying down
> right away and roll out the bag and reversing it in the morning where he
> packed up everything laying on the ground still (even eating Bkfst) changed
> his habit for this trip. He too was spending 12 hours on the ground or
> longer. Cloud Walker had a 3/4 size pad and was the only one who was cold
> each night. Our last night was in Indian Gardens where the ranger loaned us
> all extra pads so we all slept better.
> I did not get into who had what bag and its ratings but 3 of these folks
> post on PCTl all the time so maby they will chime in, Nano, Jellybean and
> Tom the increadble hulk.......To my way of thinking its more about what your
> sleeping on then what your bag is rated. We all were there for multiple
> nights and it was below freezing for almost everyone of them, the exception
> was the night on the river. So again i said layers below your butt is better
> then the bag. Billy Goat also mentioned using your backpack to put your feet
> in or as i do at times place it under my lower body. If you have extra
> clothes lay on them.
> Depending on when you start your hike will govern how many hours you will
> be 'down' at night and i dought if many of you will sleep 44 nights as we
> did below freezing. Remember as the old time hiker pros will tell you the
> "Coldest night on the PCT was a night in SoCal desert." So stay warm out
> there and disregarge Montys motto about the fun begins the lower your gross
> weight is. If your freezing at night thats not fun folks!!!!!
>
> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, montypct <montypct at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: montypct <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
> To: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>, "PCT MailingList" <
> pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:53 PM
>
> I've used the Gossamer Gear Nightlite 6000 miles.
> I'm using it again this year
>
> Bag  Westerm Mountaineering 20 and a 32
>
> monty
>
>
>
> The fun goes up when the weight goes down
> -Warner Springs Monty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E A" <afishnamedcarl at gmail.com>
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:29 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags and Pags
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > What are people using for sleeping bags.  20 degree, 30 degree, 40
> degree,
> > no bag...
> >
> > Also along those lines what pads have you found comfortable?
> >
> > Has anyone tried the GossamerGear  pad---->
> >
> http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/nightlight_3_quarter.html
> > or  http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/thinlight.html
> >
> > The first one looks like it would be pretty comfy.
> >
> > --Edan
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Tom KI6ASP
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