[pct-l] Leavitt meadows permit
Dale Combs
comebackwalking at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 2 22:58:32 CST 2009
Permits are based on your entry trailhead. If you have a valid Leavitt Meadows permit
and you're not going to be getting off, getting back on the trail then you would be set.
Last August I got on at Sonora Pass, after 4 days in Emigrant, (close to Leavitt) so I had to go to Pinecrest to get my permit.
comebackwalking
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1. Re: Tortillas (Ellen Shopes)
2. Re: Tortillas (Ellen Shopes)
3. shoes/sandals (Ellen Shopes)
4. Re: dogs from campo to julian (Scott Bryce)
5. Re: Camp Shoes and Such (Brian Lewis)
6. Re: Dogs on trail, Campo to Julian (Andrew Jones)
7. dogs from campo to julian Snakes!!! (Erik The Black)
8. Six Moons Starlite (Ellen Shopes)
9. Re: Six Moons Starlite (Bill Spreng)
10. Re: Six Moons Starlite (herbstroh at charter.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:16:17 -0600
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tortillas
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The whole wheat and multigrain ones seem to have the longest expiration
dates. I mailed mine in a resupply and found they were still good (probably
6 weeks after I bought them).
EE
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net>
To: "Romano Scaturro" <romano at swiftwireless.com>
Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Summer hike plans
Good morning, Ro,
This is just more hiker jargon. ?NoBo? is a contraction for ?northbound?,
as an indication of which direction a PCT, an Appalachian Trail (AT), or a
Continental Divide Trail (CDT) hiker is traveling. Similarly, ?SoBo?
indicates ?southbound?, as when starting in Canada rather than at the
Mexican border.
?Hiker trash? is a self-denigrating, but affectionate, term hikers often
apply to themselves.
Steel-Eye
Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT -- 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Romano Scaturro
<romano at swiftwireless.com>wrote:
> Sorry, but what does NoBo hiker trash mean?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHUCK CHELIN"
<steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: "Marion Davison" <mardav at charter.net>
> Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Summer hike plans
>
>
> Good evening, Marion,
>
>
>
> I bought 80 soft, taco-size, multi-grain tortillas on 3 June and I used
> the
> last of them 12 June at Tuolumne Meadows. That?s not as long as you plan
> but mine were still fresh at the end. They were packed either 8 or 10 to
> a
> package -- I don?t remember which -- and I left them in their plastic
> wrappers until I ate them. The 80 tortillas were a snug fit in the bear
> ?can and stacked to about half the inside height.
>
>
>
> You could probably read the labels and maybe find the ones with
> preservatives. I don?t know that the whole-grain tortillas are more or
> less
> durable, I just like them better. If I had to keep them for a longer time
> I
> might try to somehow treat them with vinegar to retard mold.
>
>
>
> I phoned home from KM. The store owner loaned me his cell phone and I
> used
> my calling card.
>
>
>
> That should be a great trip. Most of the NoBo hiker-trash should be out
> of
> your way by then.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT -- 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
> We are planning a llama trek from Leavitt Meadow to Kennedy Meadows,
>> southbound, in August (about 300 PCT miles).
>> One can obtain a permit by filling out a permit paper and dropping it
in
>> a box at the Leavitt Meadows trailhead parking lot, but that seems
kind
>> of tenuous for a 300 mile trek through two national parks. Anybody
have
>> any idea about where I might get a more official sort of permit, or do
>> you think this will do the trick?
>> When we get to the end at Kennedy Meadows we will want to call our
>> shuttle driver. Yogi's book says there is a pay phone at the
store and
>> the restaurant. Has anyone gotten their AT&T cell phone to work
at
>> Kennedy Meadows? Just wondering.
>> We are planning to go stoveless and do no resupplies. We are really
>> looking forward to 30 days with no town stops. There is no better
place
>> in the USA to do it.
>> How long will tortillas hold up in a bear can before they start to get
>> moldy? Does it make a difference what kind of tortillas?
>> Marion
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:16:17 -0600
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tortillas
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The whole wheat and multigrain ones seem to have the longest expiration
dates. I mailed mine in a resupply and found they were still good (probably
6 weeks after I bought them).
EE
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net>
To: "Romano Scaturro" <romano at swiftwireless.com>
Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Summer hike plans
Good morning, Ro,
This is just more hiker jargon. ?NoBo? is a contraction for ?northbound?,
as an indication of which direction a PCT, an Appalachian Trail (AT), or a
Continental Divide Trail (CDT) hiker is traveling. Similarly, ?SoBo?
indicates ?southbound?, as when starting in Canada rather than at the
Mexican border.
?Hiker trash? is a self-denigrating, but affectionate, term hikers often
apply to themselves.
Steel-Eye
Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT -- 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Romano Scaturro
<romano at swiftwireless.com>wrote:
> Sorry, but what does NoBo hiker trash mean?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHUCK CHELIN"
<steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: "Marion Davison" <mardav at charter.net>
> Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Summer hike plans
>
>
> Good evening, Marion,
>
>
>
> I bought 80 soft, taco-size, multi-grain tortillas on 3 June and I used
> the
> last of them 12 June at Tuolumne Meadows. That?s not as long as you plan
> but mine were still fresh at the end. They were packed either 8 or 10 to
> a
> package -- I don?t remember which -- and I left them in their plastic
> wrappers until I ate them. The 80 tortillas were a snug fit in the bear
> ?can and stacked to about half the inside height.
>
>
>
> You could probably read the labels and maybe find the ones with
> preservatives. I don?t know that the whole-grain tortillas are more or
> less
> durable, I just like them better. If I had to keep them for a longer time
> I
> might try to somehow treat them with vinegar to retard mold.
>
>
>
> I phoned home from KM. The store owner loaned me his cell phone and I
> used
> my calling card.
>
>
>
> That should be a great trip. Most of the NoBo hiker-trash should be out
> of
> your way by then.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT -- 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
> We are planning a llama trek from Leavitt Meadow to Kennedy Meadows,
>> southbound, in August (about 300 PCT miles).
>> One can obtain a permit by filling out a permit paper and dropping it
in
>> a box at the Leavitt Meadows trailhead parking lot, but that seems
kind
>> of tenuous for a 300 mile trek through two national parks. Anybody
have
>> any idea about where I might get a more official sort of permit, or do
>> you think this will do the trick?
>> When we get to the end at Kennedy Meadows we will want to call our
>> shuttle driver. Yogi's book says there is a pay phone at the
store and
>> the restaurant. Has anyone gotten their AT&T cell phone to work
at
>> Kennedy Meadows? Just wondering.
>> We are planning to go stoveless and do no resupplies. We are really
>> looking forward to 30 days with no town stops. There is no better
place
>> in the USA to do it.
>> How long will tortillas hold up in a bear can before they start to get
>> moldy? Does it make a difference what kind of tortillas?
>> Marion
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:49:56 -0600
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] shoes/sandals
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If Chacos weigh 13 oz and are equal to the 5 snicker bars you would carry....I
carry my camp shoes, and yogi for a Snickers!
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:59:09 -0700
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] dogs from campo to julian
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Emily Lawlor wrote:
> I know dogs on the pct are frowned upon. I have convinced my mom and
> sister to walk the first 5 days with me; we will start a bit early to
> have time for shorter days. But my mom is insisting on bringing our
> two little dogs,
Water will be a big issue for you. On your first day, there are a couple
of sketchy water sources in the first four miles, and you won't have
reliable water again until you get to Lake Morena. If you are hiking
short days, you will need to carry enough water to last you and your
dogs for more than a day on the trail. Water sources after Lake Morena
are closer together, but still average about 12 miles apart.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:56:19 -0800
From: Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camp Shoes and Such
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Viajarapie said:
"... Once in camp you can change into your spare, dry socks, wear the
VB socks over them and then your normal (wet) shoes. The VB socks keep
the wet shoe from wetting the dry socks."
Agreed, with the caveat that a person doesn't need to purchase VB
socks just for this purpose. A couple of bread bags (the plastic bag
that a standard loaf of bread comes in) works fine (a pair of them).
Very light, somewhat dual-useable. Or anything along that line. In
a pinch could use as actual VB socks for walking in, though likely
wouldn't last too long in that configuration, but for folks that don't
carry a second pair of footwear there might be a few days when bread
bags or the like would make for a nicer experience.
One other caveat, if it's cold out and the shoes are all wet, your
feet might still feel cold, despite the plastic bag keeping the socks
dry. But in such a situation it's not like you'll be lounging around
camp anyway --- do what needs to be done and then get in the sleeping
bag.
Brian Lewis / Gadget '08
http://postholer.com/brianle
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:08:22 -0600
From: Andrew Jones <a.freddy.j at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs on trail, Campo to Julian
To: elawlor at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Besides the concerns already voiced by the other folks on the list, I would
encourage you to keep in mind that if the dogs are actually little, as in
small, that they will be taking many times more steps than you to go the
same distance. Julian is 77 miles up the trail, so you'd average about 15
miles/day to get there in 5 days. 15 miles can be a long way for a small dog
to go in one day. There isn't a whole lot of water on this section of
trail,
so be prepared to carry a LOT of extra water for the dogs. Also keep in mind
that dogs don't adjust quickly to changes in temperature, so depending on
where they live it may be quite a change to go to the desert. The biggest
thing is to pay VERY close attention to them. Set aside time during trail
breaks, in the morning, at night, just to look the dogs over. Check for
ticks frequently, look at their eyes, feet, mouth, everything just to make
sure they're doing okay. Watch closely for signs of fatigue, limping and
exhaustion while they're moving. And most importantly, be ready to abruptly
change your hiking plans for them. Their well being is more important than
you getting to Julian in 5 days. That said, given the right sort of dogs,
they'll probably have a great time. Just look out for them.
Andy
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:26:36 -0800
From: "Erik The Black" <erik at eriktheblack.com>
Subject: [pct-l] dogs from campo to julian Snakes!!!
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Robert,
I'm curious as to how you went about training your dog to deal with
rattlesnakes.
I have a 1 year old German Shepherd. I've been training him intensely since
he was 4 months old. He responds to all my voice commands and will heel
indefinitely if I ask him to.
But when we're out hiking I typically let him run ahead and sniff around
and
pick up sticks and romp as long as there aren't a bunch of people around.
He
really enjoys this and is very curious. He likes to sniff everything he can
get his nose on.
He stays close and will return without hesitation when called, but I'm not
sure what he would do if he ran into a rattlesnake before I got there. I
imagine he would probably bark at it from a cautious distance until I called
him, but can't be sure until it actually happens.
We're not going to be thru hiking, but I live in the San Bernardino
mountains and do a lot of exploring the local area. I typically run into a
few rattlers every year. But it will be a first time for the dog.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Erik The Black
www.eriktheblack.com
****************************************************************************
I forgot about rattlesnakes. It is a every day concern where I live. My dogs
are both rattlesnake trained and vaccinated so I forget that it is a issue
for others. San Diego County is the poisonous snake capital of the USA. More
rattlesnakes here than any where else in the world.
Robert
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:12:36 -0600
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Six Moons Starlite
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Anybody had any experience with the Six Moons Starlite pack? I'm
interested in their claim that it carries loads up to 35 pounds comfortably..
Also, says 'bear can compatible' which means...?
Thanks for the input.
Ellen
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:32:15 -0800
From: "Bill Spreng" <bspreng at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Six Moons Starlite
To: "Ellen Shopes"
<igellen at comcast.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Ellen, I haven't had any experience with the Six Moons Starlite pack, but
when they say it's bear can compatible they mean you can put a bear can
inside it without any difficulty.
Bill, Desert Explorer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Six Moons Starlite
> Anybody had any experience with the Six Moons Starlite pack? I'm
> interested in their claim that it carries loads up to 35 pounds
> comfortably. Also, says 'bear can compatible' which means...?
> Thanks for the input.
> Ellen
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:09 -0500
From: "herbstroh at charter.net" <herbstroh at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Six Moons Starlite
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Ellen--
I just bought the Starlite and will be taking it on a trip in 3 weeks.
Looks like a great pack, but unfortunately, I don't have any trail
experience with it yet to give you any details.
Just today loaded it up for daily walks around the neighborhood to see how
it rides, make adjustments, etc. With 28 pounds it seems comfortable.
"Bear can compatabile" means you can fit a bear cannister in it. I
can
attest to that, as that is one of the items I dropped in to fill out the
pack. Plenty of space.
If its not too late, I can give you an update at the end of the month. We
plan 7-8 days of hiking along the Grand Enchantment Trail.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ellen Shopes igellen at comcast.net
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:12:36 -0600
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Six Moons Starlite
Anybody had any experience with the Six Moons Starlite pack? I'm
interested in their claim that it carries loads up to 35 pounds
comfortably. Also, says 'bear can compatible' which means...?
Thanks for the input.
Ellen
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