[pct-l] The weapons question

[Will Hiltz]

The Bill of Rights contains everyone's permit to carry weapons in
conjunction with militia service.  The rest is penumbras.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Fuzz McPherson <fuzzmcpherson at yahoo.com>wrote:

> The Bill of Rights contains everyone's concealed and open carry permit.
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> From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
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> Bill is correct, you would still have to follow state law. In California
> CCW permits are very hard to get. (Maybe someday they'll recognize the 2nd
> amendment...)
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> Now, if you can't conceal carry, and you can't open carry in most
> communities, what to do? Hikers don't have a car trunk to lock it in. I
> wonder if a locked case in a pack would work or would that still be
> considered concealed? But those cases just add even more weight.
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> My plan is to kill them with my body odor. At least until that gets ruled a
> deadly weapon.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
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> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:39:09
> To: pct list<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The weapons question
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> Actually, in this day and age, they probably would.
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> I haven't read the bill, but it was my understanding that it simply
> meant that if you have an existing permit, valid in the state where
> the park that you're visiting resides; it's legal for you to carry in
> the park.
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> Previously, parks were allowed to make their own rules about carrying
> weapons inside their boundaries irrelevant of the local states's laws.
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> (Even if we don't want to debate the whole 2nd amendment thing)
> Traveling with a firearm is complicated enough and carrying a loaded
> one even more so, imagine if you had to be aware every time you
> crossed an imaginary line on a map to know you could or could not
> carry.  Imagine if you still had to get individual permits in every
> park you passed through on the PCT.
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> Personally, even my Glock is too heavy to pack on the trail, so I'm
> going to carry a BIG stick, concealed.  ;-)  Well, actually, I got the
> ultralight, collapsible, dehydrated one; so it fits in my pocket.
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> On May 20, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Fuzz McPherson wrote:
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> > I do believe that's right, from what little I've glanced over the
> > proposal and from what I've seen previously.  It allows for
> > concealed carrying of a weapon without further permit, I believe.
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> > Realistically, if a bear comes to attack you, or some "entrepreneur"
> > in the woods who is "guarding" "his" pot growing land, and you use a
> > pistol that was on your hip in a holster, or had been in a
> > "concealed" location like say a pouch on the side of your pack, ...
> > I don't think the law is gonna come after you to take away your
> > birthday in either case.  "Bad boys, bad boys!  Whatcha gonna do!?
> > Whatcha gonna do when they come for you!???!"
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> > lol
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> > From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:09:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] The weapons question
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> > Mike Cunningham wrote:
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> >> The question is why are guns allowed in a National Forest but not in
> >> a National Park. I believe that the reason has to do with hunting..
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> >> I am carrying a loaded weapon am I hunting or just prepared to defend
> >> myself?
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> >> In Connecticut, where I live, hunting is not permitted on Sundays. If
> >> I carry a loaded weapon in the woods on a Sunday that alone is
> >> considered to be evidence of hunting.
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> >> Not permitting weapons in a National Park makes hunting not a
> >> problem.
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> > I don't think this is about hunting. I think this is about concealed
> > carry. That would mean personal defense weapons.
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> > If I am found in a national park with a loaded .38 caliber pistol, I
> > don't think anyone will think I have been hunting.
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