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Fri May 29 23:18:19 CDT 2009

Carolyn,

Thank your for your comments with which I agree completely. I see that this
whole thread has generated a lot of negativity toward me and my dog. I am
not going to apologize for my actions. I chose to share my journal in part
because I hoped to help others with dogs make good decisions about whether
and when to take them. Mr. C. has hiked most of the PCT outside of National
Parks. By sharing my journal, I thought that others could learn about the
problems that dogs have on long distant hikes, service dogs or not, they
all walk the same trail. I also shared it because naively, I thought I had
something to say. 

My medical status is a private issue and doesn’t belong as a topic on the
list serve and yet some people want to make it so. Yes, people have the
right to ask me why, and thankfully, I have the right to say it’s none of
their business. So, if one wants to infer some nefarious motivation from
that, it’s their problem not mine. I have nothing more to say on this
subject.

I will say that I follow the rules almost all the time--I'm not perfect, as
I said before. If you will look at the photo that Scott so obligingly
posted, there is a leash hanging from Mr. Cody. It is not possible to take
a photo of a dog with one hand holding a leash. Consider that.

jo

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:48 -0700
From: "Carolyn Eddy" <ECPG at peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (photo) Hiker Approaching Forester Pass
To: "RJ Lewis" <karmagurl at cox.net>, "Gary Schenk"
<gwschenk at socal.rr.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I am disabled, with what is considered an "invisible disability". And no,
it's not mental. In other words you would never know it if I didn't say
anything, till you observed me for quite awhile.

I have a service dog and the amount of nonsense people like us have to put
up with from able bodied folks is ridiculous and sad. Fortunately the
Department of Justice takes the use of service dogs very seriously and there
are teeth in the laws protecting me from idiots. There are also laws
protecting us and you from the idiots that would pass off their ill-behaved
pets as service dogs, so it works both ways.

So, the next time you see me out in the wilderness with my dog, in some
place you think I ought not to be, remember that I'd give anything to be
healthy enough not to need the dog, but eternally grateful that he's
available.

"Sweet Goat Mama"
Carolyn Eddy
www.goattracksmagazine.com.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:40:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Guns, Dogs, what's next
To: Brick Robbins <brick at fastpack.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Brick,

While it may appear to be annual to the long time list members, keep in
mind that one of the purposes of the list is to share information with new
members.? I am sure that there are many new members for which these topics
are not old hat.? Additionally, this thread is much different than the
annual dog thread.? This thread is not about dog safety but rather about
the blatent disregard for the rules governing dogs.

And this is way better than all the sexist garbage that some of our list
members continue to dribble to the archives.

Elevator

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at fastpack.com>
To: "PCT" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:13:39 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [pct-l] Guns, Dogs, what's next

We've had our annual Guns thread, now we are having the Dogs thread.

What's next? Horses?

At least the Bear Can and Cell Phone topics don't seem to be quite as
explosive anymore.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:01:15 -0700
From: "Carolyn Eddy" <ECPG at peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (photo) Hiker Approaching Forester Pass
To: "David Ellzey" <david at xpletive.com>
Cc: Carolyn,
Thank your for your comments with which I agree completely. I see that this
whole thread has generated a lot of negativity toward me and my dog. I am
not going to apologize for my actions. I chose to share my journal in part
because I hoped to help others with dogs make good decisions about whether
and when to take them. Mr. C. has hiked most of the PCT outside of National
Parks. By sharing my journal, I thought that others could learn about the
problems that dogs have on long distant hikes, service dogs or not, they
all walk the same trail. I also shared it because naively, I thought I had
something to say. 

My medical status is a private issue and doesn’t belong as a topic here and
yet some people want to make it so. Yes, you have the right to ask me why,
and thankfully, I have the right to say it’s none of your d**n business.
So, if you want to infer some nefarious motivation from that, it’s your
problem not mine. I have nothing more to say on this subject.

I will say that I follow the rules. If you will look at the photo that
Scott so obligingly posted, there is a leash hanging from Mr. Cody. It is
not possible to take a photo of a dog with one hand holding a leash.
Consider that.

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>>>>>>>>>Regardless if this is actually a service dog or not, if she is
>>>>>>>>>allowing the animal off leash then she is abusing the status. At NO
>>>>>>>>>TIME is a service dog to be off leash while "working", not to
>>>>>>>>>mention the very strict rules within the NPS.

I am not aware of any restrictions on this from a service dog point of
view.. Maybe it's a program restriction for certain types of uses of the dog
but I have never heard of it as a law of any kind. My dog is expected to be
able to perform some tasks offlead such as getting my husband, bringing me
stuff, that would not be possible if on lead.

>>>>>Anyway, I suggest that if anyone runs across somebody that you feel is
>>>>>abusing the service dog legislation, report them to the authorities. In
>>>>>California a conviction is very serious with large fines and potential
>>>>>prison time.

Big AMEN to this! It's hard enough for us without idiots bringing FooFoo in
and having it jump all over people and annoy them.

BTW, you are only allowed to ask a person if the dog is a service dog, and
what tasks it performs, not what their disability is. Be careful and polite
when talking to people about their dog if they say it's a service dog. We
have a lot of rights that the average public would like to step all over,
but many have learned the hard way that sugar gets further than vinegar.

"Sweet Goat Mama"
Carolyn Eddy
www.goattracksmagazine.com

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