[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 23, Issue 34

Fri Nov 13 18:12:33 CST 2009

Imagine a '0' carbon foot print; What would it take to erase your carbon 
foot print? Don't limit yourself to just your generation or to just your 
nationality. Imagine a world with NO carbon footprint. What would that world 
be like?
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>   1. Re: Great News for hikers with extensive backpacking
>      experience (Stephen Adams)
>   2. Re: Most popular backpacker toilet in the world (Stephen Adams)
>   3. 2010 Attempt at the PCT (Diane Morris)
>   4.  2010 Attempt at the PCT (Postholer)
>   5. Re: 2010 Attempt at the PCT (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   6. Re: 2010 Attempt at the PCT (Patrick Beggan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:01 -0800
> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Great News for hikers with extensive backpacking
> experience
> To: hiker97 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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> This is a really good idea ! Though the requirements for being the
> temple scribe will be  in part, at least for a couple weeks, painful.
> We'll have to get confirmation regarding Reinhold, but I am quite
> confident that with a little Jack Daniels and my little "Classic"
> Reinhold and myself should be able to perform the necessary procedure.
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:12 AM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am going to set the most supported PCT record.  This is my
>> goal.  But I would be glad to on the staff.  I will be the official
>> chronicler and diarist.   I will be the keeper of the parchment and
>> quill.  Later I will make big bucks on a book.
>>
>> Switchback
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
>> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 11:16 pm
>> Subject: Re: Great News for hikers with extensive backpacking
>> experience
>>
>> Oh, of course. I should have known this. But it appears we may have
>> lost Switchback to his impulse to make a super supported thru hike
>> complete with soft chair and weight gain program. So if we can't
>> entice him to join our highly experienced staff I can probably
>> figure out how to boil water.
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>>
>> > Yes,...I agree.
>> > I think we should only accept good looking hiker babes....I don't
>> > feel like babysitting homely looking dudes.
>> > I don't know about you, but I like them with long shapely >
>> legs.....that is strictly from a hiking point of view of course.
>> > It has been my experience that hiker babes with long shapely legs
>> > make better hiking companions....I mean better hikers.
>> >
>> > JMT Reinhold
>> > Your shapely legs loving trail companion
>> > -------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Stephen Adams wrote:
>> >> I'm in. And since we have reasonable time to correspond regarding
>> >> pricing, perhaps the first thing we should consider is client >>
>> criteria...
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This is Great News!!!....since Andy will not be guiding the
>> "High >>> Sierra Route Trek" perhaps Stephen and I can be the guides.
>> >>> Stephen and I have been criss-crossing the Sierra for many years
>> >>> and off hand I can not think of anybody that knows the Sierra
>> >>> better than Stephen and I.
>> >>> And, since Stephen and I are "far" better looking than Andy, we
>> >>> could demand a premium rate...perhaps as high as $500/day.
>> >>> Hiker babes will not blink an eye to be guided through the
>> Sierra >>> by handsome guides like Stephen and I.
>> >>> Perhaps we hire Switchback to be the cook.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I can see the headlines already....for a once in a lifetime
>> >>> experience, "Experience the High Sierra" with Switchback,
>> >>> JMT Reinhold and Stephen.
>> >>>
>> >>> I bet the phone will ring of the hook and we will be backlogged
>> >>> for a year or two.
>> >>>
>> >>> JMT Reinhold
>> >>> The most handsome guide of the Sierra
>> >>> -----------------------------------------
>> >>> If Skurka is guiding the Sierra High Route it?s not going to be
>> >>> next year as he is doing this: http://andrewskurka.com/AK10/index.php
>> >>> >/From my November Adventure Mag Issue, page 54: /Thru-hike the
>> >>> Sierra with Southern Yosemite Mountain Guides and Andrew Skurka,
>> >>> on the 195 mile Sierra High Route. Price: $6,495, Length 26 days
>> >>> (or $250 per day for 7.5 miles per day). Limit 6 hikers. Steve
>> >>> Roper, the SHR "route founder" says in his guide intro that he
>> >>> really considered pros and cons before he wrote his guide; he
>> >>> wanted the High Route to remain pristine. I hope a party of
>> eight >>> hikers camping every 7.5 miles, on average, treads
>> lightly. Marcia
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:04:31 -0800
> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Most popular backpacker toilet in the world
> To: hiker97 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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> Now that you mention it again, and thinking about recent travels, it
> seems I used to see a lot more wind breaks built up all over the
> Sierra.  Perhaps rangers or regular folks are dismantling them?
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:16 AM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Back in the old days, there were lots of rock walls made from rocks
>> on top.  This was back around 1970.  I enjoyed looking at the more
>> creative walls.  Some were about 4 feet tall and about 6 feet long.
>> Just enough to cover a tent from the winds.  Not bad sites really.
>>
>> The Switch Back
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> To: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>; Hiker97
>> <hiker97 at aol.com>; PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 3:44 am
>> Subject: Most popular backpacker toilet in the world
>>
>> Say,
>> When was the last time you guys have been on top of Mt. Whitney?
>> No need to bring rocks....there are plenty rocks....the whole
>> Mountain is a pile of rocks.
>> I first climbed Whitney in 1969 or 1970 with my wife....been up
>> there at least 16 times.
>> Not much has changed on the Mountain, it's still a pile of rocks,
>> the sun still rises in the east and sets in the west.
>> Occasionally some hikers still camp on top and there are some low
>> rock walls to shield hikers from the wind.
>> I prefer to sleep in the hut....much warmer.
>> The Whitney Hut still has a metal roof, but now has lightning
>> rods...they installed those some years ago after one hiker got
>> killed and several others got injured when the hut got struck by
>> lightning.
>> Oooohhh....."The Throne" ( toilet ) is gone,....I mean "The Throne"
>> is still there but they removed the bucket and toilet seat and
>> covered "The Throne" with rocks ....they make you haul the stuff out
>> now in litter bags.
>>
>> Bummer.....that must have been the most popular backpacker toilet in
>> the world.
>> Just felt "so" good and rewarding to be sitting on "The Throne" on
>> the highest summit in the lower 48.
>>
>> I remember back in the early days there was no toilet seat and no
>> wall to shield your rear end from public display and from scrutiny
>> by all the hikers congregating around the hut, about 100 feet
>> away....made some of the hiker babes very uncomfortable
>> and some hiker dudes very curious.
>> I don't know if you guys know this or not, but that is what made me
>> realize that the rear end of hiker babes is somewhat different from
>> the rear end of hiker dudes.....it's aaahhh, how do I say this,
>> aaahhh.....a little more rotund and appealing
>> looking.
>> I just thought of something....folks used to ask me why do you climb
>> Mt. Whitney so often?
>> I never really had an answer.....hhhmmm,....I wonder,....hhhmmm...
>>
>> Later, to the great relief of the hiker babes and the dismay of the
>> hiker dudes, they installed a toilet seat and build a 2-3 foot wall
>> behind the seat to shield the rear end from public display.
>> Bummer.....I liked it better the other way........VIVA LA
>> DIFFERENCE!!!
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>> Still dreaming about "The Throne"
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> Stephen Adams wrote:
>> > OK, sounds good. Should we make it B.Y.O.R. (Bring your own
>> rocks), > or do you think there might still be some up there? And to
>> hell with > permits ! It's the end after all...
>> > As a side note, I suggested a few years back it might be nice to
>> watch > Mammoth Mountain blow from the White Mountains. But because
>> of the > prevailing wind, we'll have to make that one B.Y.O.G.M
>> (Bring your own > gas mask)...
>> > Gee, I miss all the fun posts at PCT.
>> > On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:13 PM, hiker97 at aol.com
>> <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good for you. That's what I like some grit for 2012. No weakies
>> on >> top of Mt. Whitney or whiners. We will build a fort of rocks
>> up >> there. I remember years ago, there were many rock wall
>> campsites on >> top. Campers made them because of the wind. Today, I
>> do not think >> you will find any. The rangers probably tore them
>> down. I think you >> are not supposed to camp on top today.
>> >> >> Cheers, Switchback
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: carol bruno <carolwbruno at yahoo.com <mailto:carolwbruno at yahoo.com
>> >>
>> >> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>; >> 
>> >> pct-l at backcountry.net
>>  <mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net>; >> losthiker at sisqtel.net 
>> <mailto:losthiker at sisqtel.net
>> >; >> montedodge at msn.com <mailto:montedodge at msn.com>; >> 
>> >reddirt2 at earthlink.net
>>  <mailto:reddirt2 at earthlink.net>; >> duckface99 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:duckface99 at gmail.com
>> >; >> tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com <mailto:tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com>; >> 
>> >lostonthecrest at hotmail.com
>>  <mailto:lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>; >> hiker97 at aol.com 
>> <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com
>> >
>> >> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 7:01 pm
>> >> Subject: Re: Arguing with Idiots
>> >>
>> >> My thoughts exactly!! Should be quite a show...I'm in. can'tquit
>> >>
>> >> --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, hiker97 at aol.com <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com>
>> >> /<hiker97 at aol.com <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com>>/* wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: hiker97 at aol.com <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com> <hiker97 at aol.com
>> >> <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com>>
>> >> Subject: Re: Arguing with Idiots
>> >> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>,
>> >> pct-l at backcountry.net <mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net>,
>> >> losthiker at sisqtel.net <mailto:losthiker at sisqtel.net>,
>> >> montedodge at msn.com <mailto:montedodge at msn.com>,
>> >> reddirt2 at earthlink.net <mailto:reddirt2 at earthlink.net>,
>> >> duckface99 at gmail.com <mailto:duckface99 at gmail.com>,
>> >> tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com <mailto:tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com>,
>> >> lostonthecrest at hotmail.com <mailto:lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
>> >> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:56 PM
>> >>
>> >> I say we should plan for 2012 to be it. The end. One of these
>> >> predictions has to right. They have been going on for the last
>> >> 10,000 years. So, I figure that the odds are getting good that
>> >> one should soon be right. This is too cool. I plan to be on top
>> >> of Mt. Whitney when the end comes. Some big monster comet will
>> >> probably hit Las Vegas and my house. I will see it on the
>> >> horizon. I will see the shock wave headed my way. But I will
>> >> have the satisfaction that all the low landers and pilgrims will
>> >> get it first before us mountain men.
>> >> >> If it hits out in the Pacific Ocean, then the tsunami might not
>> >> get me. But I will be able to jump off the east face into
>> >> a refreshing in-land sea for a swim. Nice.
>> >> >> Respectfully submitted and your obedient servant,
>> >> >> Switchback the Trail Pirate
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>> >> <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>>
>> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net <mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net>; Deems
>> >> <losthiker at sisqtel.net <mailto:losthiker at sisqtel.net>>; MONTE
>> >> DODGE <montedodge at msn.com <mailto:montedodge at msn.com>>; Hiker97
>> >> <hiker97 at aol.com <mailto:hiker97 at aol.com>>; Stephen
>> >> <reddirt2 at earthlink.net <mailto:reddirt2 at earthlink.net>>; scott
>> >> williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com <mailto:duckface99 at gmail.com>>;
>> >> ''Adam Bradley'' <tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com
>> >> <mailto:tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com>>; joseph kisner
>> >> <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com <mailto:lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>>
>> >> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 11:31 am
>> >> Subject: Arguing with Idiots
>> >>
>> >> Switchback, >> I can't believe what I am hearing in this recent
>> "ARGUMENT" about >> dangers on the trail in the "End of the World"
>> thread. >> >> Bricks response is right on the button. >> >> To
>> ignore or to refuse to acknowledge that dangers do exist on
>> >> the trail is like sticking your head into the ground and pretend
>> >> they do not exist. >> I have been hiking the Sierra for going on
>> 35 years now and
>> >> always accept the fact that I will be exposed to danger. >> That
>> does not mean I will let that scare me or control my hike,
>> >> it only means I am aware of potential danger and plan
>> accordingly. >> You can not eliminate the danger, but you can plan
>> to be prepared >> for it. >> >> It is exactly that kind of naive
>> thinking that encourages
>> >> inexperienced hikers, who should not be on the PCT to begin with,
>> >> to attempt a thru-hike >> and then call 911 when they get scared
>> or run into trouble,
>> >> because they were let to believe that there is no danger in the
>> >> wilderness and "while >> hiking the trail we are safer than we
>> are in our own homes". >> >> I have been reading the book "Arguing
>> with Idiots" and this has
>> >> made me realize that conversing on the list is a lot like
>> >> "Arguing with Idiots". >> >> Now don't get me wrong, there are a
>> lot of cool, intelligent
>> >> folks on the >> list...but, unfortunately, there are also a few
>> "IDIOTS" on the
>> >> list and at this stage of my life I do not want to argue with
>> >> "IDIOTS" any more. >> >> So, to my "FRIENDS" I say, once more,
>> "ADIOS" and to the "IDIOTS"
>> >> I say >> "wise up" Amigos, before it is to late. >> JMT Reinhold
>> >> -------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Diane wrote: >> Your post is awesome, Louie. You have it exactly
>> right. The trip
>> >> is an escape from fear. It's a journey into Middle Earth. It's a
>> >> wonderful, safe, magical experience. You captured it correctly.
>> >> >> The thing is, the people on the trail know this, but most people
>> >> on this list do not. Every dire warning on this list is total
>> >> hype. You'll hear this complaint many times when you're out on
>> >> the trail. >> >> Since we're entering the lull time, expect this
>> list to hype into
>> >> warp speed with dire warnings about everything. Don't worry.
>> >> These aren't the lunatics you'll be hiking with. Those lunatics
>> >> are smelly, hairy and happy. >> Diane
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net
>> >> <http://backcountry.net>
>> >> <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> Louie
>> wrote: >> >/ You'll have to forgive me for posting back to back once
>> again,
>> >> but I'm >> />/ trying to figure out just what kind of band of
>> lunatics is
>> >> going to be >> />/ on the trail come 2010. >> />/ >> />/ All of
>> this crazy talk about coyotes, and black bears, and
>> >> rapists and >> />/ the end of the world make me wonder if even
>> one sane person
>> >> wants to >> />/ walk to Canada? Do any of you fear mongers
>> realize how benign it >> />/ actually is in the Sierras? How often
>> the sun shines? How
>> >> kind the >> />/ weather is for essentially, the ENTIRE walk?
>> We're safer on
>> >> the trail >> />/ then any one of us is in our own homes. I hope
>> the joke is on
>> >> me />/ and I >> />/ just didn't get it. >> />/ >> />/ Because I
>> plan on enjoying myself. I am going to have fun. I
>> >> am />/ going >> />/ to partake in all the fish and bird the
>> mountains grant to
>> >> me. And />/ what >> />/ I won't be doing is entertaining all of
>> the silly worries
>> >> about Lions >> />/ and Tigers and Bears, Oh My! I'll be sleeping
>> like a baby
>> >> every />/ night. >> />/ Because, apparently I know something all
>> the paranoid people
>> >> don't />/ know. >> />/ >> />/ This trip is supposed to be an
>> escape from fear, it is
>> >> supposed to />/ be a >> />/ peaceful walk, a contemplative time.
>> A Mission. When the
>> >> wilderness >> />/ becomes nothing more then an extension of the
>> fears we carry
>> >> around />/ with >> />/ us in the "world", then God help us all.
>> >> />/ >> />/ Plan on having fun. Your failures won't be because you
>> got
>> >> />/ attacked by >> />/ a bear, or a rapist- you'll fail because
>> you quit on
>> >> yourself. And />/ that >> />/ is the hard truth. >> / >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:41:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Diane Morris <diane_m96002 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2010 Attempt at the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello...
> My name is Diane.
> I'm?going to attempt the PCT in 2010, just wondering?who else might be 
> doing?the same...?
>
>
> "Accept me for who I am, not who you want me to be..."
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:55:19 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  2010 Attempt at the PCT
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <058b01ca6492$dc2697c0$f5adf942 at Snoopy>
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>> I'm going to attempt the PCT in 2010, just wondering who else might be
>> doing...
>
> Here's a growing list of aspiring 2010 thru-hikers:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713
>
> Be sure to add yourself!
>
> -postholer
> ------------------------------------
> Trail Journals, Google Trail Maps, Forums: http://postholer.com
> Pacific Crest Trail Photo Atlas: http://postholer.com/photoAtlas.php
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:02:36 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2010 Attempt at the PCT
> To: Diane Morris <diane_m96002 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Good morning, Diane,
>
> Who else might be hiking in 2010?
>
> 1)     Watch who mentions their aspirations on PCT-L.
>
> 2)      Go to the 2010 TrailJournals at
> http://trailjournals.com/journals.cfm?sort=&year=2010&trail=Pacific%20Crest%20Trail
> and see who?s posting a journal.
>
> 3)    Next winter when the ?10 content is included, look at
> http://www.pct77.org/adz/ for a list of those attending ADZPCTKO.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Diane Morris 
> <diane_m96002 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello...
>> My name is Diane.
>> I'm going to attempt the PCT in 2010, just wondering who else might be
>> doing the same...
>>
>>
>> "Accept me for who I am, not who you want me to be..."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:22:52 -0800
> From: Patrick Beggan <meta474 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2010 Attempt at the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <D0C53A96-1279-4C49-B0E5-4222AC1F4AB9 at gmail.com>
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> Also a fair method for determining who WON'T be hiking in 2010 is to 
> utilize steeleye's #1.
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
>
>> Good morning, Diane,
>>
>> Who else might be hiking in 2010?
>>
>> 1)     Watch who mentions their aspirations on PCT-L.
>>
>> 2)      Go to the 2010 TrailJournals at
>> http://trailjournals.com/journals.cfm?sort=&year=2010&trail=Pacific%20Crest%20Trail
>> and see who?s posting a journal.
>>
>> 3)    Next winter when the ?10 content is included, look at
>> http://www.pct77.org/adz/ for a list of those attending ADZPCTKO.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Diane Morris 
>> <diane_m96002 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello...
>>> My name is Diane.
>>> I'm going to attempt the PCT in 2010, just wondering who else might be
>>> doing the same...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Accept me for who I am, not who you want me to be..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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