[pct-l] REI
Spring
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Tue Oct 27 20:47:56 CDT 2009
Does REI Number 0581## mean that you have a 5 digit number? That's older than mine, but not by much. But then I grew up on the east coast... But all we're really doing is arguing who is older!
My concern about REI is that it is supposed to be there for the members, but the board of directors are all business people who recreat on the week-end or for two weeks at the most. Meanwhile the store sells very little that a long-distance hiker might really need or want. I used to be into bikes - i found the same to be true in that department. The return policy is wonderful - and I use it with-out pity. However, the stainless steel martini "glasses" really tell me that the co-op has become a corporation.
Spring
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1. Re: REI (Ralph Alcorn)
2. REI (greg jacobs)
3. Re: REI (AsABat)
4. Re: REI (Campy)
5. REI (greg jacobs)
6. Re: Yuppie 911 (Eric Lee)
7. Re: feathered friend (Joshua M)
8. Re: REI (Joshua M)
9. Re: Yuppie 911 (Eric Lee)
10. Re: REI (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
11. SPOT and Yuppie 911 (Amanda L Silvestri)
12. eastern part of aneles nationasl forest open for sb hikers
from Islip saddle (canoeman at qnet.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:49:53 -0700
From: Ralph Alcorn <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] REI
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My REI number 500### - any earlier? Going for my 15 seconds of fame.
Ralph Alcorn
http://www.backpack45.com/camino2.html
http://timecheck00.blogspot.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:55:12 -0700
From: greg jacobs <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] REI
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My REI number 431####
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:20 +0000
From: "AsABat" <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] REI
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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My father's is 287###.
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My REI number 500### - any earlier? Going for my 15 seconds of fame.
Ralph Alcorn
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:32:15 -0700
From: Campy <campydog at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] REI
To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: Campy <campydog at verizon.net>
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Bill Burge wrote:
> I have REI number 680###.
REI Number 0581##
==^=== Campy
http://www.trailprojects.com click on PCT
Time spent doing trail work shall not be deducted from your life!
===^==
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:32:41 -0700
From: greg jacobs <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] REI
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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just a minor calification, 431###-J, they use to put your last name intitial
at the end, not sure if they still do that
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:35:25 -0700
From: "Eric Lee" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yuppie 911
To: "'Keith Robertson'" <surferkeith at sbcglobal.net>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Handyrock wrote:
>
There are very few activations because virtually all long range cruising
sailors have years of experience and know not to activate the EPIRB unless
there in a situation where death may be ceratin without a rescue. [...] The
issue is not with the Spot, but rather with the user. A new user should be
well educated as to how to use the device and to never activate the SOS
function unless they are in a life or death situation.
>
There's a *huge* barrier to entry to become a long range cruising sailor.
You don't just run down to your local outdoor shop and pick up a blue-water
sailboat on the spur of the moment because you've got a vacation coming up
next week. So yeah, it's not surprising that long-range sailors generally
have the training and intelligence to use their beacons responsibly.
I totally agree that the issue is with the user, not with the technology,
but . . . the clueless users aren't going away. For the kind of users we're
talking about, no amount of well-intentioned education will make a
difference. Any long-term sustainable SAR system that incorporates PLBs
like the Spot is going to have to recognize and plan for a whole lot of
abuse, because the abuse will happen. It's inevitable with the low barrier
to entry that we're talking about here.
I believe the only effective control is a big sticker right on the "911"
button that says, "Warning - pressing this button will cost you $500. Are
you sure this is an emergency?"
Eric
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:28:01 -0400
From: Joshua M <jtmlite at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] feathered friend
To: J J <ja_sonjjj at hotmail.com>
Cc: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Feathered Friends bags and Western Mountaineering bags are the best sleeping
bags money can buy...imo =)
The good ole people at Feathered Friends let you customize your bag to a
certain degree. You can pick how much down you want, the length and what
type of shell material you want. Last time i looked into them there were
several different types of material from light weight non water resistant to
some stuff that was similar to gore-tex. Of course there are some weight
differences.
I went with Western Mountaineering because their bags tend to be slightly
lighter, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
As for sleeping cold. I had a 20 degree bag and never got too cold. As i
became more and more skinny i had a couple cold nights, but
was alleviated by my nice down jacket. Next time I restock my gear supply I
think i'll go with a 32 degree bag and keep my down jacket. Anything to
save a couple lbs...If you get too cold just put on more clothing or snuggle
with some fellow hikers.
Hope this helps
OD
Pct 08
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM, J J <ja_sonjjj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi all! was wondering if anyone could comment on feathered friends sleeping
> bags. how water resistant are they? how well do they handle condensation? is
> a 20 bag ok for a thru hike for someone who sleeps cold? how do they compare
> to other bags like say marmot bags that i am looking at also? thanks guys!
>
>
>
> J
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:34:30 -0400
From: Joshua M <jtmlite at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] REI
To: Ralph Alcorn <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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In Seattle REI went out of their way to help return some faulty gear, I
think their gear exchange policy is great even though some hikers take
advantage of it.
In Bend some REI employees let us store our packs at the store while
we attended a local festival. Afterwards they let four of us all stay at
their place and drove us to the trail the next day.
My two REI stories! =)
REI is like the walmart of camping gear, there are going to good and bad
points. If they help me get less expensive gear and send some yuppies out my
way, great! Weekend hikers carry WAY too much food and are always willing
to share!
OD
pct 08
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Ralph Alcorn <rbalcorn at gmail.com> wrote:
> My REI number 500### - any earlier? Going for my 15 seconds of fame.
>
>
> Ralph Alcorn
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:40:50 -0700
From: "Eric Lee" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yuppie 911
To: "'Eric Lee'" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, "'Keith Robertson'"
<surferkeith at sbcglobal.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I wrote:
>
So yeah, it's not surprising that long-range sailors generally
have the training and intelligence to use their beacons responsibly.
>
I found a Wikipedia article on distress beacons that includes a link to an
interesting report on distress beacons and SAR:
http://www.icao.int/icaoimojwg/meetings/jwg14/docs/JWG_SAR14wp13.pdf
This report discusses worldwide data for the year 2006 on 406 MHz beacons
which include EPIRB (marine), ELT (aviation), and registered PLB devices.
The data does *not* include statistics for the new mass-market devices like
the Spot which do not use the 406 MHz band but instead use other, less
reliable technologies.
There were approximately 495,000 406 MHz beacons in use worldwide in 2006.
Of those, 2.7% of them were used to send a false alert. Of all beacon
alerts that were sent to SAR, 97.1% of them turned out to be false alerts.
There were 3,378 false alerts from EPIRBs, 2,730 from ELTs, and 110 from
PLBs. That's astounding to me. Remember, this is mostly for marine and
aviation beacons where the users tend to be highly-trained and competent and
does not include data from mass-market devices.
I haven't seen any numbers for mass-market PLB devices yet but anecdotal
evidence suggests that the numbers will probably be bad. The rate at which
alerts turn out to be false can't get much worse than it already is but the
sheer volume of beacons generating false alerts can certainly get a lot
worse. It'll be interesting to see how this shapes up.
Eric
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:15:51 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] REI
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I remember when Patagonia was all wooden bins, too. And it was called
Great Pacific Ironworks.
Here is my REI story.
I went to REI in Seattle for some new shoes. I walked in with my
stained hiking clothes and my current pair of hole-infested running
shoes. I told the shoe guy I wanted some lightweight, breathable,
mesh running shoes. He came back with a stack a mile high of boxes of
leather hiking boots. When I insisted that I wanted running shoes and
pointed to a pair that I wanted to try, he brought them out and
basically washed his hands of me. I could get no more help in the
shoe department the rest of the afternoon.
I got the sense that it really is about "lifestyle" or "image" and
that they just don't get it. Especially they don't get lightweight
hiking.
But they aren't all bad. A year before that I got a great backpack
from them. But maybe they were more helpful because I wanted
something more "normal."
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] SPOT and Yuppie 911
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have been following all of this discussion on the SPOT System and Yuppie 911.? I hope this is not just another case of the pre-convinced preaching to ourselves.?I hope some new hikers have been reading this.?
?
It sure would be nice if?SPOT could include in their?packaging a little booklet with various scenarios in which one might find him or herself while hiking in the wilderness.? Then they could present a variety of actions that you could take (other than pressing 911) and their likely consequence.? Each scenario could conclude with a short review of pre-planing mistakes, poor equipment choices, too little self-education or navigation skills, no compass, failure to check the weather forecast, not bring rain gear or cold weather gear, not dressing in layers, not bring enough food, not reading the map and studying the terrain or locating the likely water sources and then taking the time of year into account, etc.?
?
Come to think of it.? This could be made into an actual book that one of you older aching and decrepit types could write.? Just kidding.? A younger (still hiking) but experienced, person could do this.? Hay, what a fun way?to stay off cabin fever this winter.? It would end up being sort of like that page in backpacker magazine,?only greatly expanded.? It would be fun to read and test oneself with.? I would buy it.? Who wants to write it?? Just a thought.
?
Shepherd
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:47:35 -0700
From: canoeman at qnet.com
Subject: [pct-l] eastern part of aneles nationasl forest open for sb
hikers from Islip saddle
To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Excellent news,the PCT Station fire closure in San Gabriel mtns is now open
from
Islip saddle to the east. Western section from Islip saddle to Agua Dulce is
closed.
Any south bounders can walk around western closure from Acton/ Agua Dulce area
to big rock creek and take trail back up to PCT.
SB'ers can take Soledad Canyon rd north,to Sierra Hwy, north to Angles National
Forest Hwy, east to to MT. Emma RD, north on Mt Emma to either Alimony ridge,
TO Pleasant View,ridge, and ride the ridge to PCT or
continue on MT Emma to FT.Tejon rd, east to to Valyermo rd, east to Big
Rock Creek and take the South Fork Trail up to Islip Saddle, to Join The the
PCT again.
East bound. Hwy 2 is closed from La Canada to Vincent's gap.
After passing through WrightWood the Lytle Creek ( sheep Fire)section is
closed from wrightwood to Lone Pine Canyon.
you can just go though Wrightwood and cruise down lone pine canyon to join the
pct at the bottom.
PS the station fire area is under intense post fire clean up and
rehabilitation, so the forest service presence is pretty intense, don't risk
the $5,000 dollar fine for entering the western closure area, its not worth it.
Any sb'rs looking for transport, Info or Trail Angel help, Please feel free to
contact me at
Canoeman at qnet.com
I live in Juniper hills, on pleasant view ridge up against the San Gabriel Mtns
4500 ft level. 8 miles south of town of Pear Blossom
Keep hiking, yer almost there.................
Perry Chamberlain
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