[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 5

martin hatton martin at carpow.com
Sat Apr 3 02:46:15 CDT 2010 

Jukebox your brilliant re. thx for your list on teh map issue but where do I 
get teh Half mile free maps from?

Im a Brit flying in from M.E.

Let me know brother

Mad Hatter.

Virgin Thru hiker and damn proud of it too!

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>   1. Re: snakes and bears and lions and snow and god knows what
>      else to fear (Don Billings)
>   2. Re: Guide books (Bradley Issler)
>   3. Re: new route north from Snoqualmie Pass.
>      (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
>   4. Re: Pct-l Gear List (dsaufley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Billings <dbillings803 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes and bears and lions and snow and god knows
> what else to fear
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <388450.76868.qm at web55407.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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> "A man has got to know his limitations."
>
> Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry."
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 3:48:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes and bears and lions and snow and god knows 
> what else to fear
>
> "It's what people know about themselves that makes them afraid."
>
> - Clint Eastwood in *High Plains Drifter*
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:08:27 -0700
> From: Bradley Issler <bradley.issler at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Guide books
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <u2ub384e5e21004011108q93c98f7epe4e1ab9f00f4964a at mail.gmail.com>
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> Porfirio,
>
> Oh you done opened up a can of worms now!!!!  You are gonna get a million
> different responses on this one, but as I said before, I am right and
> everyone else is wrong :)
>
> Anyhow, I used HalfMile's wonderful set of PCT maps that are free.  I 
> loved
> them. Just keep them in a nice ziploc bag and pull em out when you need 
> em.
> I also used the Yogi Guidebook.  I sectioned all this stuff out and mailed
> them ahead, to myself.  Not the most convenient way, but it is cheap.
>
> The PCT Atlas by Erik The Black is convenient, lightweight, and "fairly"
> accurate.  I say fairly because my hiking buddy used it and it seemed like
> sometimes the elevation  and water info was sketchy (e.g. some "seasonal"
> water points were plentiful while some listed as year round (full blue 
> drop)
> were dry).  But, I think every guidebook out there is subject to some 
> errors
> here and there.  And, they are really, really expensive.  I know Erik The
> Black put a lot of time and effort into his books and has to recoup the
> cost, plus, I suppose it is a limited market too....So, If you can afford 
> it
> they might be worth it.
>
>
> Peace,
> Jukebox.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:16:42 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] new route north from Snoqualmie Pass.
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Paul' 'Freiman <pfreiman at ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> Eric,
>
>
>
> I don't have any first-hand current knowledge about this area, but I will 
> say that the section just north of Snowqulmie Pass along the PCT (from 
> Snowqualmie to the big waterfall just south of Escondido Ridge) was one of 
> the most spectacular parts of the entire trail.? Spectacle Lake may just 
> be the pertiest little lake on the entire PCT.? If the trail wasn't close 
> due to fire re-route, there is no way I would recommend missing this 
> section.
>
>
>
> Elevator
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Lee" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> To: "Paul' 'Freiman" <pfreiman at ucsd.edu>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 10:28:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] new route north from Snoqualmie Pass.
>
> Capt Bivy wrote:
>>
> I don't know what the burned out area looked like, but this was a treat.
> Several really good camp sites too.
>>
>
> I haven't been up there since the fire in that area last summer, but my
> understanding is that it wasn't a large or vigorous fire; it was just very
> close to the trail so a section of it was closed while it burned. ?I don't
> think there's any particular reason to use Gadget's route this year unless
> you just want to. ?Anyone who has more first-hand knowledge - feel free to
> correct me.
>
> Eric
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:18:25 -0700
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Gear List
> To: "'Porfirio Romero'" <pfromero8 at msn.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hi, Porfirio!  I remember meeting you at Hiker Heaven last year. Hoping 
> all
> is well.
>
> There are excellent resources for the things you are asking about at 
> various
> locations.  The PCTA website has the Wilderness Press guidebooks at their
> store, as well as FAQs about the trail and hiking it.  Also, Postholer has
> compiled a list of useful information, as have others.  I have a short 
> list
> of helpful sites at our website . . . which will link you to these other
> sites which contain most of what you need to know!
>
> http://hikerheaven.com/index_files/Page536.htm
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Porfirio Romero
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Gear List
>
>
>
> Thank you for the gear list, they were very helpful. One thing though, 
> what
> about guide books? Did anyone take any or are the trails well marked. I
> would like to know the best guide to the towns to stop at, the list and 
> ph#
> of trail angels along the way and maps of the trail. Is there one guide 
> book
> that can provide all three things? I?m not looking for a guide book that 
> has
> alot of information about planning since I am out of country and could not
> get it in time for the trail start. This has turned out to be a helpful
> sight after all. Peace
>> From: pct-l-request at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Pct-l Digest, Vol 27, Issue 194
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:06:27 -0500
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Gear List (hetchhetchyman at aol.com)
>> 2. Re: Hiking WA in July with regards to snow and other SOBO
>> concerns (linsey)
>> 3. Re: Gear List (hetchhetchyman at aol.com)
>> 4. Re: Gear List (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>> 5. Re: Ultimate List of essential gear (for me anyway!) (kcristler)
>> 6. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! (Susan Alcorn)
>> 7. Re: Water filter question (Brian McLaughlin)
>> 8. new route north from Snoqualmie Pass. (Freiman, Paul)
>> 9. Re: Gear List (Kris De Wachter)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:33:56 -0400
>> From: hetchhetchyman at aol.com
>> Subject: [pct-l] Gear List
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <8CC9F41C42D49DF-211C-A152 at webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> From: Porfirio Romero <pfromero8 at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <COL122-W153AB23605A92BE285D9C9E31E0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is great. I appreciate Jukebox for the Newbie concideration. Any one
> else
>> who could give a run down of total gear packed for the trail would be
> greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pack- Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shelter- Gossamer Gear "The One" tent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bag- Western Mountaineering Ultra Light Down
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Under Layer- Smartwool Midweight longsleeve Top & Max Ride Polyester 
>> light
> weight bottoms.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mid layer- Marmot Windshirt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Outer Layer- Patagonia Light Down jacket (Yea, thats right.. I got this
> jacket on sale, without sales tax cause it was in Oregon!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rain Gear- Marmot Precip Jacket(13 0z) and Red Ledge Rain Pants (8 oz)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gloves- Seirus Thin Neoprene/spandex Got 'em on sale at Outdoor World!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pants Wind/Bug Columbia Pro Fishing Gear Zip off legs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hat Cold/Sleeping Columbia Nylon covered Fleece with really dorky looking
> ear warmer flaps. Bandana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Garbage compactor Bag liner for backpack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ground Sheet- Gossamer Gear Poly-Cro. I would never have believed a piece
> of clear plastic could hold up to thousands of miles of use.. But it's 
> true.
> I feel foolish for starting the PCT with a heavy sportsmans blanket.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tent Stakes/Bear hang cord.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kitchen- Stove- "Soup Can" Woodburning stove homemade. .9 liter cup Lite
> My Fire Spork Bic lighter Lite My Fire Fire Steel (Like Flint and Steel)
> Chunk of brillo Pad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Camera- Canon Powershot A590 For now..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sleeping Pad- Modified Ridgerest. Brand spanking new.. and cut down to
> body shape just like the last one! lol!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Knife- Victornox Classic Banana Yellow because I lost my wonderful
> "Forest" Green one somewhere in the Washington Forest!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Compass and Toothbrush on lanyard. I kept losing my toothbrush in my pack
> until I tied it to my Compass. It's really wierd but the system works.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Headlamp- Petzl Zipka with Red Lens filter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sunglasses- Whatever is on sale at Big 5 most likely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Water Filter- Mountain Safety Research Pro Ceramic Element/pump action.
> Cleaned by sanding with Brillo Pad and occasional boiling.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dental Floss container with sewing needle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Socks 1 pair Kmart Mens Synthetic Dress socks over 1 pair Injinji Toe
> socks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Water containers-Aqua Fina Bottles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sub-Totals:
>> 12.9lbs
>> 0.00
>>
>>
>> Cheer-Iceaxe
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking WA in July with regards to snow and other
>> SOBO concerns
>> To: davidmargavage at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <638199.9154.qm at web37107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> David wrote:
>>
>> Anyone think that hiking the WA section in July a bad idea due to snow?
>>
>> Dear David,
>>
>> According to Scott W in Yogi's guide, typically the last snow clears from
> Glacier Peak area around mid July. This year will probably be way earlier
> than that. Last year July section hikers had snow in the Goat Rocks.
>>
>> You'll be wishing you were on snow if you hit the black fly season wrong.
> The biting flies in Northern WA are super evil early on during their
> breeding frenzy. There is no repellent they are repelled by. Tall ripstop
> booties and mits (ala Ray Jardine) are a welcome addition: impossible to
> otherwise take off your shoes when stopped with out getting eaten alive 
> and
> for that matter, they bite right thru mesh shoes. I recommend impenetrable
> shell clothing, a head-net, and Tenacious Tape to repair any holes or you
> could go crazy. My super light ripstop hard shell pants will stop them IF
> they don't find a tiny hole but when stopped, they will not give up trying
> to get to you like mosquito's seem to if you ignore them. Luckily this 
> keeps
> breaks short and the hiking pace fast.
>>
>> Sincerely, Lollygag
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:57:50 -0400
>> From: hetchhetchyman at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <8CC9F451AB2CB5B-211C-A466 at webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Porfirio, I should have added that I wore a Polyester Blend white
> shirt, carried twice that many socks and would definitely not carry rain
> pants until maybe WA and even then.. I dunno.
>> I also had a pair of cheap Army surplus shorts until.. well let us just
> say Giardia "took" them. After that i used the shorts from the zipper leg
> pants. I also used an alcohol stove for the PCT, first a beer can stove 
> and
> then a heavier Mini Trangia.. Yes I am absolutely crazy, take my advice 
> with
> a grain of salt or a huge glass of beer.
>> Cheers-Iceaxe
>> P.S. Sorry about the doubel spaces Peeps.. My Bad. I am so dumb with tech
> stuff sometimes.. Heck, all the time!
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:57:41 -0700
>> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <EF76B9EE-2727-4C57-A2EB-6617BEF147E3 at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:16 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> > Gear List
>>
>> Here's my gear list. Warning, it is a PDF.
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfvusjb
>>
>> I added a cotton tie-dye skirt eventually.
>>
>> A few other things got swapped now and then. Added a cheap plastic
>> poncho, ditched the down sweater. Carried a silnylon poncho and a
>> bivy instead of the tent for a while, traded my tent for a heavier
>> one after the zipper broke. But basically, that was my gear.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>> Books I've written:
>> ~ Piper's Flight
>> ~ Adventure and Magic
>> ~ Santa Barbara Hikes
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:52:10 -0700
>> From: "kcristler" <kerouc at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ultimate List of essential gear (for me anyway!)
>> To: "JIM BRAVO" <jimbravo at wildblue.net>, <bradley.issler at gmail.com>,
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <15F10FA680BF44A78CD5E56DB37DB95F at YOUR6EA8154886>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> bummer. grumpy old men intruding on gear threads.
>> kmc
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "JIM BRAVO" <jimbravo at wildblue.net>
>> To: <bradley.issler at gmail.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ultimate List of essential gear (for me anyway!)
>>
>>
>> > Jukebox:
>> >
>> > What in the wide, wide world of sports are you doing putting practical,
>> > field-tested gear suggestions on the PCT-L?? COME ON, if you can't find
>> > something to moan and bitch about, someone to back-bite and/or
> back-stab,
>> > or
>> > bully through the use of convoluted, ego-driven slobber, then just 
>> > don't
>> > contribute anymore!!!!!! I for one am offended! Come on, let's rumble!
>> >
>> > Jim
>> > Straywolf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Bradley Issler
>> > <bradley.issler at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> 1. Therm-a-rest Neo Air. Why? It's light, strong, comfortable and
>> >> insulating. You ultra-lighters are a different breed, but for 5 months
>> >> on
>> >> the trail I enjoyed having a "bed" to sleep on. I tried a regular pad
>> >> for
>> >> a
>> >> minute in SoCal, but every night after hiking all day, I found my back
>> >> and
>> >> hips hurting from the ground. I never had a problem with punctures!!
>> >> Which,
>> >> brings me to #2
>> >>
>> >> 2. Tyvek groundsheet (with homemade corner tabs for staking down).
> Tyvex
>> >> is
>> >> heavier than polycro, but if you are a bull in a china shop, like me,
>> >> then
>> >> you want Tyvek. You can pull it out anywhere you take a break and sit
> on
>> >> it
>> >> without worrying about being gentle. I used my tyvek for so many
> things,
>> >> including glissading. And, though my corner tabs went mostly unused, I
>> >> was
>> >> able to pull it out one rainy day in Oregon and stake the back down 
>> >> and
>
>> >> put
>> >> the front part up on my poles for an improvised shelter. Also, if you
>> >> are
>> >> getting Tyvek, I found that the sheets that Six Moons Designs sell
> don't
>> >> hold onto leaves and brush like the sheets that you would get at home
>> >> depot
>> >> do.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Petzl e-lite. This thing is amazingly light and works great. Not 
>> >> the
>> >> brightest, but probably one of the lightest. I was able to read at
> night
>> >> with it.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Swiss Army Classic Knife. I did not believe it when everyone on 
>> >> here
>> >> was
>> >> touting this knife as being "all you need," but, it really is!!!
>> >>
>> >> 5. Sunday Afternoons Adventurer hat. I did not use much sunblock, if
>> >> any
>> >> at all, on my face during my hike because of the exceptional head, 
>> >> face
>
>> >> and
>> >> neck coverage of this hat (I did wear sunblock on the ice and snow
>> >> though).
>> >> I wasn't too impressed with the look of it when I first got it. It
>> >> reminded
>> >> me of something my Grandma would wear to garden. But, it did not 
>> >> matter
>> >> that much in the end, as it is sooooooooo functional.
>> >>
>> >> 6. 2 Gatorade liter bottles and 2-2+liter platypus bladders.
>> >>
>> >> 7. Baby wipes!!! Worth the weight...again, for me!
>> >>
>> >> 8. And, of course, my Ukulele. This is optional though.
>> >>
>> >> I am sure you can't wait to tear this apart. But, in the end, it does
> not
>> >> matter because I am right, and you are wrong :)~
>> >>
>> >> Hope this may help some newbies make decisions...though, it will
> probably
>> >> just make things worse. Oh well!
>> >>
>> >> See y'all soon,
>> >> Jukebox.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Susan Alcorn <backpack45 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <83787.32307.qm at web180202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> As one who has worried about every conceivable danger of the trail -- mt.
> lions, bears, snakes, river crossings, and so forth, my advice is to live
> more in the moment. 99% of the things that I have worried about have not
> happened. The only injuries that I have suffered on the PCT were from
> falling
>> on my face (with only my pride wounded) after tripping on a root and
>> that wouldn't have happened if I had been looking where I was going.
>> Oh, yeah, blisters before I learned what works for me to prevent them!
>> Go prepared (bear canister, DEET, etc.) and armed with some common sense
> (how to avoid rattlesnakes) and save your energy for hiking this 
> incredible
> trail. Yes, unfortunate things happen, but then many more people suffer
> injuries falling in their bathtub than they do falling on trails.
>> Cheers,
>> Susan "Backpack45" Alcorn
>>
>> Shepherd Canyon Books, Oakland, CA
>> www.backpack45.com and backpack45.blogspot.com
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-11423-SF-Hiking-Examiner
>> Publishers of two award-winning books: Camino Chronicle: Walking to
> Santiago and We're in the Mountains Not
>> over the Hill: Tales and Tips from Seasoned Women Backpackers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:46:38 -0700
>> From: "Brian McLaughlin" <brianmclaugh at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filter question
>> To: "dave ferber" <daveferbz at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <989E2167720E4C63BFE624508381D498 at BriansComputer>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I've experienced this before with replacement filters
>> for the PUR/Katadyn Hiker.
>>
>> The filter in question has an activated charcoal core, inside a
>> fiberglass matrix. The grey discharge is powdered charcoal
>> from the surface of the core. It should go away after running
>> about 2 or 3 liters of waters through it.
>>
>> No worries.
>>
>> Aimless
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "dave ferber" <daveferbz at hotmail.com>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:51 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Water filter question
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> So I just bought a replacement filter for a now extinct PuR water-filter.
> It
>> is exactly like the Katadyne Hiker pro. I actually bought the hiker pro
>> cartridge. My question being; Has anyone ever experienced a grey soapy
>> discharge when going to a new filter?
>>
>> Just baffled me.
>>
>> F.Y.I. I read this thread many times a day. You guys are hilarious!
>>
>> Thanks a bunch,
>> Dave (class of 2010)
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:02:51 -0700
>> From: "Freiman, Paul" <pfreiman at ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [pct-l] new route north from Snoqualmie Pass.
>> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> I went over Gadget's route in 2008. It starts 3.6 miles out of Sno Pass
> and connects back 36 miles later. Excellent route that takes in, from what 
> I
> understand, the old PCT and old Cascade trail. They must have taken down 
> the
> "abandoned trail" sign by now. I took it by accident, but I'm glad I did. 
> I
> don't know what the burned out area looked like, but this was a treat.
> Several really good camp sites too.
>> Capt Bivy
>>
>>
>> There is also a new route north from Snoqualmie Pass. It's called
>> "Gadget's Route. Goes by Goldmeyer Hot Springs. **Gets you away from the
>> burned out area. *
>> *
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:06:28 -0700
>> From: Kris De Wachter <kangasauruskris at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
>> To: hetchhetchyman at aol.com
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> backpack ats 3 series , msr waterfilter , msr wishtlerlicht gasburner ,
>> pan,0,9liter, 1.2 liter cookpot, 2 sporks ,35 cc mug gsi, knife spanish
> hand
>> made , 2 liter waterbag , botel 1liter, lowe alpine sleeping 
>> polyester,rei
>> hafdometent 4 pounds ,2sets long onderwaer,goretex vest en high vent
> pants,3
>> pair socks,3 t shirts technofastdrystuf ,sweater, ski vest secondhand 19
>> dollars ,hi-tech altitude 4 shoe's ,kompas ,map 1&2 ,up to 12 days food
>> vegetarian dehy homemade , grondstarp orangereflect
>> ,toothbrush,paste,viteminpils,33cc oil, gloves,hat,wistle,5 liter sink
> ,soap
>> ,pancakeflipper, first aidkit 1 1/2 pound, sunglasses,harmonika ,5 clif
>> bars,nailclipper, 2 pair pants polyester,getors , crampons
>> ,swimpants,suncream, total with 5 liter water 45 pounds.
>>
>> 2010/3/31 <hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
>>
>> > From: Porfirio Romero <pfromero8 at msn.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
>> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> > Message-ID: <COL122-W153AB23605A92BE285D9C9E31E0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Wow,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is great. I appreciate Jukebox for the Newbie concideration. Any
> one
>> > else
>> > who could give a run down of total gear packed for the trail would be
>> > greatly
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pack- Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Shelter- Gossamer Gear "The One" tent
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bag- Western Mountaineering Ultra Light Down
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Under Layer- Smartwool Midweight longsleeve Top & Max Ride Polyester
> light
>> > weight bottoms.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mid layer- Marmot Windshirt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Outer Layer- Patagonia Light Down jacket (Yea, thats right.. I got this
>> > jacket on sale, without sales tax cause it was in Oregon!)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rain Gear- Marmot Precip Jacket(13 0z) and Red Ledge Rain Pants (8 oz)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gloves- Seirus Thin Neoprene/spandex Got 'em on sale at Outdoor World!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pants Wind/Bug Columbia Pro Fishing Gear Zip off legs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hat Cold/Sleeping Columbia Nylon covered Fleece with really dorky
> looking
>> > ear warmer flaps. Bandana
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Garbage compactor Bag liner for backpack
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ground Sheet- Gossamer Gear Poly-Cro. I would never have believed a
> piece
>> > of clear plastic could hold up to thousands of miles of use.. But it's
> true.
>> > I feel foolish for starting the PCT with a heavy sportsmans blanket.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tent Stakes/Bear hang cord.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kitchen- Stove- "Soup Can" Woodburning stove homemade. .9 liter cup 
>> > Lite
> My
>> > Fire Spork Bic lighter Lite My Fire Fire Steel (Like Flint and Steel)
> Chunk
>> > of brillo Pad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Camera- Canon Powershot A590 For now..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sleeping Pad- Modified Ridgerest. Brand spanking new.. and cut down to
> body
>> > shape just like the last one! lol!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Knife- Victornox Classic Banana Yellow because I lost my wonderful
> "Forest"
>> > Green one somewhere in the Washington Forest!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Compass and Toothbrush on lanyard. I kept losing my toothbrush in my
> pack
>> > until I tied it to my Compass. It's really wierd but the system works.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Headlamp- Petzl Zipka with Red Lens filter
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sunglasses- Whatever is on sale at Big 5 most likely.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Water Filter- Mountain Safety Research Pro Ceramic Element/pump action.
>> > Cleaned by sanding with Brillo Pad and occasional boiling.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dental Floss container with sewing needle.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Socks 1 pair Kmart Mens Synthetic Dress socks over 1 pair Injinji Toe
> socks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Water containers-Aqua Fina Bottles
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sub-Totals:
>> > 12.9lbs
>> > 0.00
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheer-Iceaxe
>> >
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