[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 7
William Moore
bmoorevid at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 6 16:52:46 CST 2010
Dow Villa in LP is a great place to stay. They have a parking lot where you can
park a car for 2 or 3 weeks while you are out on the trail. It is safe and
free and no bear will be tempted to break into your car. All they ask you to do
is leave a note with the staff with contact info and your approximate return
date.
Bill (centerfold) Moore
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (tom aterno)
2. rei sub kilo (jomike at cot.net)
3. Re: Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (Jim & Jane Moody)
4. Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
5. Re: sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment) (Whitnee Goode)
6. Re: PCT 2011! and Peek (David Thibault)
7. Re: sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment) (Paul Robison)
8. Re: Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (Jared Slucter)
9. Re: sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
(Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
10. Five finger shoes or other things you want to try
(Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
11. Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers? (Palomino)
12. My feet are killing me. (Barbara Karagosian)
13. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (Colin Stryker)
14. Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers? (Palomino)
15. bilgy tarp tent (Nikii Murtaugh)
16. MontBell hugger Guidance... (John Abela)
17. Re: My feet are killing me. (Melanie Clarke)
18. One story of the decision to go hiking... (Jeffrey Olson)
19. Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers? (Palomino)
20. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (current list) (Robert Henry)
21. Re: sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
(herbstroh at charter.net)
22. Thru hikers for 2011 (Sarah Howard)
23. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (Alexander Asai)
24. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (current list) (James B.)
25. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (current list) (James B.)
26. Thru hikers for 2011... (current list) (Paul Robison)
27. Conditions on San Antonio (Jim Keener ( J J ))
28. Correction: Conditions on SAN JACINTO (Jim Keener ( J J ))
29. sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment) (hammock
comment) (enyapjr at comcast.net)
30. Re: Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
31. Re: sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
(gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
32. Re: Conditions on San Antonio (Ron Dye)
33. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (Jonathan Derecourt)
34. Hammock Sleeping (CHUCK CHELIN)
35. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... (Ernie Castillo)
36. Re: Lone Pine vs Independance resupply: (Meaghan McCamman)
37. Food Dehydrator Tips or Recipes? (Lisa Freathy)
38. Re: Food Dehydrator Tips or Recipes? (Austin Williams)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:22:12 -0800 (PST)
From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Independence has two gas stations with mini-marts. Not much selection in
either. The grocery store closed a few years ago, but was recently purchased.
I hope it reopens, as it would create a nice alternative to hitching to Lone
Pine, but to date, there are no plans to reopen at this time.
There are four motels in Indy, and one hotel. The best motel is Ray's Den.
There are two restaurants and a Subway. So, as Burning Daylight states, in
summary, until some things change in Indy, it is a better idea to exit via KP
and hitch to Lone Pine.
One of the things that may change in a few years is that a trail angel may begin
to reside in Indy, but that is a couple of years out.
The Incredible Bulk
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From: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Cc: Lynne Bunn <lbunn at lonepinetv.com>
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 8:14:31 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
I am the world's foremost (self-proclaimed) expert on this topic - just
kidding. I heartily recommend going to Lone Pine by exiting over Kersearge
Pass. I do not recommend exiting near Horseshoe Meadow because there is far
less traffic in that area than there is at the Onion Valley (Kersearge Pass)
trailhead. If you exit from Horseshoe Meadows you will have only left
Kennedy Meadows about three days prior. By going out KP you will have been
over Forester Pass (and Mount Whitney if you elect to do so). That will
give you a real taste of what the remainder of the Sierra can be like. KP
is a pleasant hike both ways with lots of vehicular traffic to the
campground at the trailhead.
Now, when you exit from KP you will be in Independence where there is not
much of anything. Reports I have heard on lodging are that it is adequate.
However, if you take a southbound hitch about 10-15 miles - and Highway 395
is a well-travelled road - you find yourself in Lone Pine. In Lone Pine,
the best breakfast and lunch are at the Alabama Hills Caf? - they feed hiker
portions to everyone all year around. There is a Pizza Factory although I
find his prices ridiculously high. The Carousel Restaurant offers excellent
asian cuisine and Seasons Restaurant is always good if you're looking for an
upscale dining experience. For lodging, I recommend the Dow Villa Hotel.
This rustic building built around 1923 has a tremendous history and exudes
character. While old, the building is immaculate, everything works and the
staff is very hiker-friendly. You can also stay at the Hostel for about $25
a day, but the Dow provides you with more privacy, security, and a pool and
HOT TUB!!! If you take a zero day, be sure to visit the Lone Pine Film
Museum at the south end of town.
Elevations is an equipment store that has quality hiking gear, reasonable
prices and on occasion, the owner has been known to give a 5% discount to
PCT hikers! This is an excellent place to replace anything that needs it
without having to take a serious side-trip to Bishop which is 60 miles
north.
Most importantly, Joseph's Bi-Rite Market has been in business over 100
years and has anything you need for re-supply. Gardner's True-Value
hardware across the highway has denatured alcohol and other items you might
need.
Enjoy your stay. I always do.
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Robison
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:01 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
from those who have been to these places,
which is an easier hitch? lone pine seems too close to KM to really bother
with, but with al lthe extra sierra's gear i might want more stops (less
food
to save weight)
any thoughts?
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:30:32 -0800
From: <jomike at cot.net>
Subject: [pct-l] rei sub kilo
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I went on line, rei.com, to see and read about the sub kilo and saw hat they
are on a very good sale. Good time to buy one...huge savings.
are we there yet
...going to the mountains is going home.
John Muir
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
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Paul,
Much of what has already been said I agree with and will not repeat.? However,
here are a few different items.
If 2011 is like 2010, or if you leave KM early, you might want to go out both at
Horseshoe Meadows and Kearsarge Pass.? We did both, because we were very early
and not in a rush, plus we could carry less weight from KM to Horseshoe instead
of KM to Kearsarge.? There was a lot of snow in 2010, so the going was slow and
exhausting.? Two different trips to Lone Pine were great for rest and resupply.
The prices at the Pizza Factory were reasonable, I thought.? The owner said he
was a former thru-hiker, Trail Name Buffalo.
There is a public transit bus that runs between Independence and Lone Pine.?
Doug's hiker hostel and other places have the schedule.? Pretty cheap and you
don't have to hitch in the sun.
Besides the outfitter and grocery mentioned, LP has a good boot repair place.?
It's a western boot store down from Joseph's grocery.
We ran into a trail angel / occasional hiker who was running shuttles to / from
Horseshoe Meadows, Lone Pine, Independence, and Onion Valley Trail head.? He was
unemployed so he was charging for the trip, but considering the distance and
remoteness, it seemed a bargain.? I have lost his name and number, but someone
on the list might still have it.? Check with Doug at the hostel in LP - he
probably keeps a list of shuttlers.
I agree strongly with the LP-instead-of-Indep. recommendation.? More restaurant
choices, more motels, a genuine hiker hostel, better?grocery, outfitter,
pharmacy,?cobbler, etc.? Plus Alabama Hills for breakfast is worth the?trip,
even if you're not hiking.
Have?a great hike,
Mango
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Robison" <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 10:01:29 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
from those who have been to these places,
which is an easier hitch? ?lone pine seems too close to KM to really bother
with, but with al lthe extra sierra's gear i might want more stops ?(less food
to save weight)
any thoughts?
?? ? ?
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:15:05 -0800
From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
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I thought hitching to/from On Onion Valley TH (below Keasarge Pass) was easy.
Most traffic going down to Independence is in the afternoon while the traffic
going up is mostly in the morning (hikers and fishermen). I arrived at the
Onion Valley TH around 10:30am and had to wait about an hour until a day hiker
heading back gave me a lift down to the PO. Hitching back up 2 days latter, I
stood infront of the Musuem up the street and started waiting at 9:45am. I
should have started earlier in the day to catch some of the fishermen but I
needed to mail something out of the PO when it opened at 9:30am. Even so, I
got a ride in about 30minutes from a backcountry Ranger heading back up.
If you are going to just resupply and not zero, I say just stay in
Independence. The mniimarts have enough to resupply from if you aren't very
picky or just send a supply box to the Post Office (from Tehachappi/Mojave)
which is located right at the bottom of the road down from Onion Valley TH.
Though the resturants are limited, you can eat your fill. The Courthouse Motel
fed us breakfast and since I had a frig and microwave, I bought non-trail food
to eat from the MiniMart and supplemented my meals by eating in my room.
Hitching to Lone Pine seemed like too much hassle (especially the idea of having
to hitch back early enough to catch the morning traffic up to the TH) so I chose
to stay in Independence. Now since I had lost some gear that needed to be
replaced, I did take a zero in Independence and took the morning CREST bus to
Bishop to the Outfitter there and had lunch at Sizzler's AYCE and came back on
the afternoon bus. The large supermarket where the bus picks you
up in Bishop is larger then most you'll see on the trail. So if hitching to
Lone Pine is tempting, you may want to consider going to Bishop instead.
-Miner
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:34:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The only reason I'm hesitating with the tarptent is that it seems?it would be a
pain in the ass to set up. I'm going solo, so I want something simple. They're
simple enough, I suppose, but there's so many options and I can't make up my
mind, haha! What about a hammock? Those look really nice, but are there always
places to set them up? The Wild Oasis is floorless, which is great in the snow,
but I'm a bit weary about ticks and other bloodsuckers. I could get over that, I
bet :-) The weight savings just might be worth it... But?I also don't know how I
could do that in the rain, especially with a down sleeping bag like the sub
kilo. I'm leaning toward the sublite tarptent. I'm not sure which one-- sil or
original. I eventually need to make a desicion :-) eenie meenie minee mo...
?
Whitnee
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: "Lisa Freathy" <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>, "Whitnee Goode"
<whitneegoode at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:03 AM
about tarptents...
i've moved to one,? in 2010 i hiked using the marmot Aeolos 2P... rock solid ...
and TWICE we had the only standing tent in the morning (out of 4 and 5 tents)...
but you're talking in the 6 lb range.
the tarptent style takes a little more care in how you face the wind,? and maybe
a few more rocks around you tent stakes to keep them in,? but the weight savings
are so very worth it (to me)
i've been useing the Nemo Meta 2P? used it 14 nights now... for the weight it is
a big improvement over a 4 poled tent like a Marmot.?? it has bug netting etc.
so as to provide some mosquito protection.? is it as strong?? of course not...?
might i be miserable one night out of 130 nights?? sure.? but its worth it for
the weight.
the biggets downside is some condensation,?? So i take a 5 inch square of
ShamWOW with me and qipe off the tent walls come morning ... (roll this up and
put it in the center of your pack for an ice cold 2PM spongebath in the heat of
the day!)...
as for staking... i do this on rocky surfaces...? open my trekking pole,? or run
the trucking pole somewhow through the guy rope (or nylon loops; whichever you
have) and then lay that down o nthe ground and put some big old rocks on it.?
this is stronger than just putting a stake in the ground;? though it is a lot
more trouble it's worth it on a stormy night.
~Paul
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I have the?women's long?even though?I am only?5'5". I like to be able to move
around and slide down into the bag and I felt that the long was less
constrictive.?I rarely have problems w/my feet being cold even though I have the
extra length. I typically don't sleep with socks and have?only needed to twice,
once in approx. 20* weather at 9800' and once during a cold?March night
with?crazy wind.?
I was just gifted a?FlyCreek UL1 tent but have yet to receive.?I am excited to
check it out, and at 2lbs it is not too bad for a freestanding tent. I have
never used a tarp?tent and had?not ever seen one until the KO last year. They
look very roomy and?I?like the ones with the bug netting?but I have no
experience on how easy they are to set up and how they perform in super winds,
rain, hail, etc. Also, what are the options for set up if you are on a rock
surface and can't stake??I can see the up side to ta tarptent?for sure,
especially at their weight and pack size, but what, if any are the down sides?
I'll probably start with a tent since that is what I am comfortable with, but I
am always open to change and will be interested to see so many of these on the
trail as they seem popular!
Happy Hiking!Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
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From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:08:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I'm going to try to rip the stuff sack before I go then (not really try, but be
hard on it) so I don't get stuck on the pct without one. I'm glad you love
yours!?That makes me excited :-) How's the size? It seems like a lot of people
say it's too small or only for really skinny people. How skinny does one need to
be in order to fit comfortably??What kind of shelter do you have? I'm thinking
about getting either the Wild Oasis from Six Moons Designs or the the Sublite
tarptent...
?
Whitnee
--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:52 AM
I LOVE mine!!!??
The compress sack that came w/ripped at the straps after a couple of trips, but
they let me take my pick off the shelf for a replacement one. I tore out the
draw cord last year and ripped a section, (I was using as a blanket while
lakeside and accidentally stepped on the bag while trying to pull the hood
closed while walking back to the tent, not the best protection?plan). I thought
they were no longer available at REI so I easily sewed the rip and re-strung the
cord rather than return and it seems to be holding up fine where I did the
repair.
My friend borrows my hubby's sub kilo whenever she goes with me and is buying
one for herself this week. Great price right now!?
?Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
From: Whitnee Goode whitneegoode at yahoo.com
Just bought one!! AHHH! I hope I made a good choice... can't beat REI's return
policy though :-)
? ? ?
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:34:59 -0700
From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2011! and Peek
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I used a peek in 2009 and it worked great for journaling. I would recommend
it. I used it to journal to postholer and never had a problem.
I carried an extra battery but I probably would not again as I only used it
once.
I turned it on just to type or send my journal. I kept it in airplane mode
while writing and then just turned on the transmitter to send and receive.
I also used it as a reading device getting a book from dailylit.com.
Just make sure you get a new one as the older models no longer work (i.e. be
careful if buying a used one).
Check their web site for details.
Enjoy the PCT - it is a great trail and a thru is a great adventure.
Day-Late
> I am trying to figure out the best way to keep an online trail journal
> updated, and was curious about the current generation of Peek devices.
> Does
> anyone have experience with them? Have they been sufficient? I don't own
> a
> smartphone, and don't particularly want to purchase one, so a Peek seems
> like it might be a decent compromise.
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:02:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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there are a lot of places in the beginning where you simply can't set up a
hammock. impossible.
have you checked out the nemo meta 1P?
http://www.nemoequipment.com/nemo2010-meta1p-tent suuuper simple setup, just
stake it down, and then lift your trekking pole up into it like opening an
umbrella. i'm unsure how sturdy it is, i have my meta 2P out in the snowstorm
right now just to test it (we're getting 8 inches tonight). the 2P is larger
and uses 2 trekking poles not one. it is plenty strong thusfar.
the people on he trail i saw with the Henry shires tents of any kind were all
thrilled with them. ...some tents are finnicky in their setup, but i dont think
you can really make a 'wrong' decision, you'll be living out of this thing.
two weeks in, the setup will be second nature regardless of which you choose
IMHO,
~Paul
________________________________
From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 3:34:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
The only reason I'm hesitating with the tarptent is that it seems it would be a
pain in the ass to set up. I'm going solo, so I want something simple. They're
simple enough, I suppose, but there's so many options and I can't make up my
mind, haha! What about a hammock? Those look really nice, but are there always
places to set them up? The Wild Oasis is floorless, which is great in the snow,
but I'm a bit weary about ticks and other bloodsuckers. I could get over that, I
bet :-) The weight savings just might be worth it... But I also don't know how I
could do that in the rain, especially with a down sleeping bag like the sub
kilo. I'm leaning toward the sublite tarptent. I'm not sure which one-- sil or
original. I eventually need to make a desicion :-) eenie meenie minee mo...
Whitnee
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: "Lisa Freathy" <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>, "Whitnee Goode"
<whitneegoode at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:03 AM
about tarptents...
i've moved to one, in 2010 i hiked using the marmot Aeolos 2P... rock solid ...
and TWICE we had the only standing tent in the morning (out of 4 and 5 tents)...
but you're talking in the 6 lb range.
the tarptent style takes a little more care in how you face the wind, and maybe
a few more rocks around you tent stakes to keep them in, but the weight savings
are so very worth it (to me)
i've been useing the Nemo Meta 2P used it 14 nights now... for the weight it is
a big improvement over a 4 poled tent like a Marmot. it has bug netting etc.
so as to provide some mosquito protection. is it as strong? of course not...
might i be miserable one night out of 130 nights? sure. but its worth it for
the weight.
the biggets downside is some condensation, So i take a 5 inch square of
ShamWOW with me and qipe off the tent walls come morning ... (roll this up and
put it in the center of your pack for an ice cold 2PM spongebath in the heat of
the day!)...
as for staking... i do this on rocky surfaces... open my trekking pole, or run
the trucking pole somewhow through the guy rope (or nylon loops; whichever you
have) and then lay that down o nthe ground and put some big old rocks on it.
this is stronger than just putting a stake in the ground; though it is a lot
more trouble it's worth it on a stormy night.
~Paul
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I have the women's long even though I am only 5'5". I like to be able to move
around and slide down into the bag and I felt that the long was less
constrictive. I rarely have problems w/my feet being cold even though I have the
extra length. I typically don't sleep with socks and have only needed to twice,
once in approx. 20* weather at 9800' and once during a cold March night
with crazy wind.
I was just gifted a FlyCreek UL1 tent but have yet to receive. I am excited to
check it out, and at 2lbs it is not too bad for a freestanding tent. I have
never used a tarp tent and had not ever seen one until the KO last year. They
look very roomy and I like the ones with the bug netting but I have no
experience on how easy they are to set up and how they perform in super winds,
rain, hail, etc. Also, what are the options for set up if you are on a rock
surface and can't stake? I can see the up side to ta tarptent for sure,
especially at their weight and pack size, but what, if any are the down sides?
I'll probably start with a tent since that is what I am comfortable with, but I
am always open to change and will be interested to see so many of these on the
trail as they seem popular!
Happy Hiking!Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
________________________________
From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:08:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I'm going to try to rip the stuff sack before I go then (not really try, but be
hard on it) so I don't get stuck on the pct without one. I'm glad you love
yours! That makes me excited :-) How's the size? It seems like a lot of people
say it's too small or only for really skinny people. How skinny does one need to
be in order to fit comfortably? What kind of shelter do you have? I'm thinking
about getting either the Wild Oasis from Six Moons Designs or the the Sublite
tarptent...
Whitnee
--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:52 AM
I LOVE mine!!!
The compress sack that came w/ripped at the straps after a couple of trips, but
they let me take my pick off the shelf for a replacement one. I tore out the
draw cord last year and ripped a section, (I was using as a blanket while
lakeside and accidentally stepped on the bag while trying to pull the hood
closed while walking back to the tent, not the best protection plan). I thought
they were no longer available at REI so I easily sewed the rip and re-strung the
cord rather than return and it seems to be holding up fine where I did the
repair.
My friend borrows my hubby's sub kilo whenever she goes with me and is buying
one for herself this week. Great price right now!
Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
From: Whitnee Goode whitneegoode at yahoo.com
Just bought one!! AHHH! I hope I made a good choice... can't beat REI's return
policy though :-)
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:23:34 -0800
From: Jared Slucter <jared.slucter at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Since nobody has said anything about it yet, I must make a case for skipping
both Trail Pass and Kearsarge Pass. I hiked from Kennedy Meadows to VVR
(including the trip up Mt. Whitney) without resupply in the allegedly high
snow year last summer. I am not a fast hiker, nor a light eater, and at
first the food was really heavy. But I would do exactly the same thing
again. The chance to be out, without crossing a road or anything, for 12
days was wonderful. I will admit that the reason I did it was because I was
meeting a friend in Mammoth who had flown in from the east coast and I had
to hurry to meet him on time. So in addition to being logistically simpler,
skipping the resupply is certainly faster, in case that is a concern. I even
hiked with a couple who went straight from KM to Mammoth. When we got to the
turnoff for VVR, they decided they had enough food to just push on. You will
know what is right for you as you get closer to Kennedy Meadows, given your
appetite, attitude and any scheduling concerns you may have.
-Sneezes
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Much of what has already been said I agree with and will not repeat.
> However, here are a few different items.
>
>
>
> If 2011 is like 2010, or if you leave KM early, you might want to go out
> both at Horseshoe Meadows and Kearsarge Pass. We did both, because we were
> very early and not in a rush, plus we could carry less weight from KM to
> Horseshoe instead of KM to Kearsarge. There was a lot of snow in 2010, so
> the going was slow and exhausting. Two different trips to Lone Pine were
> great for rest and resupply.
>
>
>
> The prices at the Pizza Factory were reasonable, I thought. The owner said
> he was a former thru-hiker, Trail Name Buffalo.
>
>
>
> There is a public transit bus that runs between Independence and Lone
> Pine. Doug's hiker hostel and other places have the schedule. Pretty cheap
> and you don't have to hitch in the sun.
>
>
>
> Besides the outfitter and grocery mentioned, LP has a good boot repair
> place. It's a western boot store down from Joseph's grocery.
>
>
>
> We ran into a trail angel / occasional hiker who was running shuttles to /
> from Horseshoe Meadows, Lone Pine, Independence, and Onion Valley Trail
> head. He was unemployed so he was charging for the trip, but considering
> the distance and remoteness, it seemed a bargain. I have lost his name and
> number, but someone on the list might still have it. Check with Doug at the
> hostel in LP - he probably keeps a list of shuttlers.
>
>
>
> I agree strongly with the LP-instead-of-Indep. recommendation. More
> restaurant choices, more motels, a genuine hiker hostel, better grocery,
> outfitter, pharmacy, cobbler, etc. Plus Alabama Hills for breakfast is
> worth the trip, even if you're not hiking.
>
>
>
> Have a great hike,
>
> Mango
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Robison" <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 10:01:29 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
>
> from those who have been to these places,
>
> which is an easier hitch? lone pine seems too close to KM to really bother
> with, but with al lthe extra sierra's gear i might want more stops (less
> food
> to save weight)
>
> any thoughts?
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:57:36 -0800
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Regarding stuff sacks and staked tents...
I used a Gossamer Gear One tent. I never once was unable to find a
place to stake it out and I set it up almost every single night over
3000 miles of hiking the PCT. If the ground was soft and/or wind was
blowing I used large rocks over the stakes to keep it up. Had only a
few problems with that, nothing serious.
To deal with my sleeping bag, I would put it inside my pocket shower
(which is like a stuff sack) only if I though it might rain or I
might fall in a creek. I now don't bother with the pocket shower and
instead just stuff it in the same trash compactor bag where I keep my
extra socks, hat, gloves etc. The compactor bags are very durable,
and I can attest that they are more than up to the job of keeping
your gear dry. I had to swim across some swollen rivers with my pack
on. Even though all I did was twist the top of the compactor bag and
shove it in, and even though the compactor bag had a couple of holes,
and even though my pack was fully under water as I swam, my sleeping
bag was still dry.
I also used a $.25 cent black garbage bag I bought at White Pass for
a pack cover when it was raining. It did the job admirably. They make
those things so you can toss broken glass bottles in them so they are
more than up to the task of keeping your pack dry while hiking
through the overgrown Washington trails.
On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:17:14 -0800
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Five finger shoes or other things you want to try
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Once in a while people ask if anyone has hiked the trail with Vibram
five finger shoes. Actually, a woman named Crow did last summer, at
least part of the way. You might try contacting here from her web
site http://asthecrowflies.org and get her opinion. She may not
respond for a few months, though. I do know from following her
journal that she enjoyed them at first but after a while she was
longing for more cushioning and she picked up her regular hiking
shoes eventually.
One of the benefits of carrying a light pack is you can carry more
gear. That makes no sense, I'm sure, but what you can do is carry
your regular hiking shoes AND your Vibrams and for a segment, try out
the VFFs and see if they really are right for you. If after a day or
three they aren't, you have your regular shoes with you. You can
jetison the five fingers at the next trail town without having to
endure five days of discomfort. Or if you are liking the VFFs,
jetison the regular shoes. Send them up the trail a town or two or
send them home.
You can do this with lots of gear. It's not a hardship to carry extra
gear if your pack is not maxed out with just the bare minimum. Carry
two stoves. Carry a hammock and a tent. Whatever you want to test
out, go ahead and test it on the trail. Since you have a backup you
aren't going to die. The post office is your friend.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:53:42 -0800
From: Palomino <palomino.pct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers?
To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I have a new, never used, seam sealed Tarptent Moment for sale...$150 plus
postage.
Also, a new, never used, Gossamer Gear Mariposa Plus, size large with a
medium hipbelt...$100 plus postage.
Please contact me off list if interested.
Jim Ostdick
Palomino
San Juan Bautista, CA
palomino.pct at gmail dot com
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:03:40 -0800
From: Barbara Karagosian <barbara at mkpe.com>
Subject: [pct-l] My feet are killing me.
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <F4076824-9A11-4A07-AD2C-B5C1C22C3519 at mkpe.com>
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I had a Mortons neuroma in my left foot about 12 years ago. Did the wide shoes,
inserts, but finally had surgery and wished I'd done it way sooner. About 3-4
weeks and then no pain at all. It was a miracle. Yes slight numbness in one toe;
no impact on hiking or anything else.
But they can recur.
I have another one now, on the adjacent nerve. Due to an insurance change, and
cost of surgery, I've tried the cortisone shots, which work great for 6-8 weeks,
so I'd have one once a year before a big hike. Then I tried alcohol shots (5)
which are suppose to sclerose the nerve (kill it), therefore no pain. Painful
shot, worked for a year or so. Now it's starting up again......
Cheers, Barbara
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:37:10 -0800
From: "Colin Stryker" <colin.stryker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You can count me (Colin, no trail name yet...) and girlfriend Topsy Turvy (trail
name from AT '97) in for 2011 thru-hiking, beginning in mid- to late- April. On
the one hand, I'm a little scared at how little time there is left to prepare,
on the other, I can't f'ing wait!
Looking forward to meeting all our fellow thru-hikers at kickoff, and elsewhere
on the trail!
Colin
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:41:22 -0800
From: Palomino <palomino.pct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers?
To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The Tarptent Moment has been sold. You guys are like sharks!
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:48:41 -0800
From: Nikii Murtaugh <boundforadventure at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] bilgy tarp tent
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have a bilgy tarp tent that I made this summer for sale. I used it for 10
days in Oregon this summer and came to the realization that I'm a
free-standing tent gal, not a tarp tent one. Contact me off list if
interested.
Lost and Found
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:58:35 -0800
From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] MontBell hugger Guidance...
To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hey All,
Need some feedback...
I am really stuck on whether I should go with:
MontBell Super Spiral Down Hugger #1
or
MontBell Super Spiral Down Hugger #3
I typically wear Ibex Woolies crew top and bottom while sleeping with a
dedicated pair of Darn Tough socks.
I do have a GoLite UltraLite 3-Season Quilt but have been unhappy with it's
performance in the 25-30 range.
Thanks,
John
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:01:21 -0800
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] My feet are killing me.
To: Barbara Karagosian <barbara at mkpe.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Dear Barbara,
Seriously, learning how to stand and walk correctly will eliminate the need
for surgery, drugs and enable you to enjoy the activities you like to
pursue. I don't have a lot of time this evening to elaborate like I did in
an earlier post. One hiker asked me to recommend a book and that is not
such a bad idea as Americans are so sedentary now a days that we don't even
know how to physically perform any more. We lack role models and when we do
try to do something physical we all get back, knee and foot problems. The
body has to position itself properly for optimal performance. Back before
1900's everyone had to walk long distances on a daily basis, and work hard
plowing fields without mechanized equipment yet they had far fewer problems
than we have today. Egyptians built pyramids and had very few back, knee
foot problems. They positioned their bodies correctly when they worked,
walked, lifted and carried heavy loads. Their center of gravity was
centered over the larger bones and muscle groups in their bodies. They did
not use their Metatarsals (bones near the balls of your feet) to dissipate
the impact forces of the weight of their bodies.
Sorry, I digress, the book, *8 Steps to a Pain Free Back* by Esther Gokhale
is a good tutorial on how to stand, walk, perform properly. I have
absolutely no connection with this lady but it is a good book. She has a
center up here in Palo Alto (near Stanford) but I have never been there. I
am a Kinesiology Major so I don't need anyone holding my hand. That being
said, because I grew up in America, influenced by a fashion industry that
sends messages that it is cool to slouch, I suffered problems from standing
incorrectly also. I am also tall so I slouched to fit in. There weren't
any Kines classes on standing correctly back when I was a university student
(Ergonomics was in its infancy in the early 80's) so I had to figure it out
by looking at my injuries and incorporating it with the knowledge I already
had. Other people, whose expertise lies in other areas may benefit from the
visual tutorial of her clinic.
Melanie
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Barbara Karagosian <barbara at mkpe.com> wrote:
> I had a Mortons neuroma in my left foot about 12 years ago. Did the wide
> shoes, inserts, but finally had surgery and wished I'd done it way sooner.
> About 3-4 weeks and then no pain at all. It was a miracle. Yes slight
> numbness in one toe; no impact on hiking or anything else.
> But they can recur.
> I have another one now, on the adjacent nerve. Due to an insurance change,
> and cost of surgery, I've tried the cortisone shots, which work great for
> 6-8 weeks, so I'd have one once a year before a big hike. Then I tried
> alcohol shots (5) which are suppose to sclerose the nerve (kill it),
> therefore no pain. Painful shot, worked for a year or so. Now it's starting
> up again......
>
> Cheers, Barbara
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:15:33 -0700
From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] One story of the decision to go hiking...
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This is one story about the decision to do a long hike. Any others out
there???
_______________________________________________________
My girlfriend and I had moved in together in November 1991 and rented
house in Duvall, WA that within a year was to be torn down for a
subdivision "in the forest." She had four kids that lived with their
dad. She had her first kid at 20 and the twins at 24. She was the
oldest of four kids. Her mom was 16 when she was born, and 21 when the
fourth was born. Jane never had a childhood or adolescence. She took
care of kids - that was her job. She was 32 and I was 39. I'd found
out the previous week I had been admitted to the MSW program at the
University of Washington.
We were sitting in a Mexican restaurant in town on March 1, 199, waiting
for dinner to appear. I'm a philosopher at heart so questions of
meaning and purpose and the future were always "UP!" Janey made the
comment we didn't have a "couple project."
This concept was new to me. I thought being a couple was a project.
Apparently there is more involved. Not only do you work on the
relationship - constantly, but you have something you do together as a
couple that involves experiencing something that is the two of yours,
and no one else's.
I'd thought I was doing good in the "being-in-a couple" part and had the
rat in a well-lit room feeling - I can't escape! Scurry, scurry scurry...
I'd done a long hike on the Tahoe Yosemite Trail back in the 70s, and
that had stuck in my history like a beacon without enough amperage. I
had always wanted more.
I asked if she had a pen - she has a purse so she has the world at her
fingertips - and I began figuring out the spring and summer on a
napkin. She asked what I was doing and I asked her to wait a minute. I
had to start grad school on the first of October. If we started hiking
on June 1 we could hike from Lassen to Whitney - 750 miles - in 75 days,
enough time to get back to reality and rent an apartment in time for me
to start school and her to find a job. (Her school time would come later.)
Our food arrived and she asked me questions about backpacking. She'd
never done it before. She'd not done much day hiking. She looked at
the napkin and asked about details - what to do with our meager
possessions, her dad who was dying of colon cancer, etc. By the end of
the meal we were both heady and excited and that much more in love. We
had a "couple project" - a hike from Lassen to Whitney.
We spent the next three months preparing for the trip - a story in and
of itself. On June 7 we left Hat Creek heading south, her pack weighing
56 pounds, mine 72...
Jeffrey Olson
Martin, SD
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:24:21 -0800
From: Palomino <palomino.pct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Christmas Gear for 2011 hikers?
To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Both the Moment and the Mariposa Plus have been sold. Thanks!
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:41:41 -0800
From: Robert Henry <rrh.henry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... (current list)
To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I'm planning on (attempting) a thru hike, departing Campo sometime
after tax day. I probably will skip the kick-off and go slow the
first 2 weeks. I'm in my mid 50's. I think I've convinced my wife to
do support out of Horseshoe Meadows; possibly Kearsarge and possibly
other places in Central CA, and most of the road crossings in WA.
Robert Henry
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wow what a list we're getting !
>
>
> Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
> Neil P
> Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily ?(mid april)
> flip flop (scott)
> Outpost and Echo (April 17)
> jim and doNa
> Kevin C
> Scott G ?(mid to late april)
> Mike Schaffer
> Kevin ( start 4:20 )
> Kylie skidmore??
> Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
> Lisa Freathy
> Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
> Gregory Wilson and his brother
> Holly Eglleston ( April)
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:10:32 -0500
From: "herbstroh at charter.net" <herbstroh at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Whitnee--
I have used a Wild Oasis for a couple years, most recently on the
Wonderland Trail this fall. Admittedly, it may take a few step-ups to get
the hang of it but once you have the procedure down it works well. It goes
up easy even in the rain.
I use either a piece of tveck or light weight bivy (both about 6 ounces) to
keep me off the ground. The bivy would give you some creepy-crawly
protection but I have not had a problem just using a groundsheet.
Herb
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From: Whitnee Goode whitneegoode at yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:34:58 -0800 (PST)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
The only reason I'm hesitating with the tarptent is that it seems?it would
be a pain in the ass to set up. I'm going solo, so I want something simple.
They're simple enough, I suppose, but there's so many options and I can't
make up my mind, haha! What about a hammock? Those look really nice, but
are there always places to set them up? The Wild Oasis is floorless, which
is great in the snow, but I'm a bit weary about ticks and other
bloodsuckers. I could get over that, I bet :-) The weight savings just
might be worth it... But?I also don't know how I could do that in the rain,
especially with a down sleeping bag like the sub kilo. I'm leaning toward
the sublite tarptent. I'm not sure which one-- sil or original. I
eventually need to make a desicion :-) eenie meenie minee mo...
?
Whitnee
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: "Lisa Freathy" <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>, "Whitnee Goode"
<whitneegoode at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:03 AM
about tarptents...
i've moved to one,? in 2010 i hiked using the marmot Aeolos 2P... rock
solid ... and TWICE we had the only standing tent in the morning (out of 4
and 5 tents)... but you're talking in the 6 lb range.
the tarptent style takes a little more care in how you face the wind,? and
maybe a few more rocks around you tent stakes to keep them in,? but the
weight savings are so very worth it (to me)
i've been useing the Nemo Meta 2P? used it 14 nights now... for the weight
it is a big improvement over a 4 poled tent like a Marmot.?? it has bug
netting etc. so as to provide some mosquito protection.? is it as strong??
of course not...? might i be miserable one night out of 130 nights?? sure.?
but its worth it for the weight.
the biggets downside is some condensation,?? So i take a 5 inch square of
ShamWOW with me and qipe off the tent walls come morning ... (roll this up
and put it in the center of your pack for an ice cold 2PM spongebath in the
heat of the day!)...
as for staking... i do this on rocky surfaces...? open my trekking pole,?
or run the trucking pole somewhow through the guy rope (or nylon loops;
whichever you have) and then lay that down o nthe ground and put some big
old rocks on it.? this is stronger than just putting a stake in the
ground;? though it is a lot more trouble it's worth it on a stormy night.
~Paul
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I have the?women's long?even though?I am only?5'5". I like to be able to
move
around and slide down into the bag and I felt that the long was less
constrictive.?I rarely have problems w/my feet being cold even though I
have the
extra length. I typically don't sleep with socks and have?only needed to
twice,
once in approx. 20* weather at 9800' and once during a cold?March night
with?crazy wind.?
I was just gifted a?FlyCreek UL1 tent but have yet to receive.?I am excited
to
check it out, and at 2lbs it is not too bad for a freestanding tent. I have
never used a tarp?tent and had?not ever seen one until the KO last year.
They
look very roomy and?I?like the ones with the bug netting?but I have no
experience on how easy they are to set up and how they perform in super
winds,
rain, hail, etc. Also, what are the options for set up if you are on a rock
surface and can't stake??I can see the up side to ta tarptent?for sure,
especially at their weight and pack size, but what, if any are the down
sides?
I'll probably start with a tent since that is what I am comfortable with,
but I
am always open to change and will be interested to see so many of these on
the
trail as they seem popular!
Happy Hiking!Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
________________________________
From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:08:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
I'm going to try to rip the stuff sack before I go then (not really try,
but be
hard on it) so I don't get stuck on the pct without one. I'm glad you love
yours!?That makes me excited :-) How's the size? It seems like a lot of
people
say it's too small or only for really skinny people. How skinny does one
need to
be in order to fit comfortably??What kind of shelter do you have? I'm
thinking
about getting either the Wild Oasis from Six Moons Designs or the the
Sublite
tarptent...
?
Whitnee
--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:52 AM
I LOVE mine!!!??
The compress sack that came w/ripped at the straps after a couple of trips,
but
they let me take my pick off the shelf for a replacement one. I tore out
the
draw cord last year and ripped a section, (I was using as a blanket while
lakeside and accidentally stepped on the bag while trying to pull the hood
closed while walking back to the tent, not the best protection?plan). I
thought
they were no longer available at REI so I easily sewed the rip and
re-strung the
cord rather than return and it seems to be holding up fine where I did the
repair.
My friend borrows my hubby's sub kilo whenever she goes with me and is
buying
one for herself this week. Great price right now!?
?Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
From: Whitnee Goode whitneegoode at yahoo.com
Just bought one!! AHHH! I hope I made a good choice... can't beat REI's
return
policy though :-)
? ? ?
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:39:30 -0500
From: Sarah Howard <sjhoward76 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Thru-hiked the PCT in 2004 & will be out there again in 2011, starting with
the masses at the KO. (To answer Paul's question, I thru-hiked the AT in
2001 and 2005)
Question for the list: I currently have a very abused Henry Shires Squall
tarptent that I really love, but am thinking about saving myself 14 oz and
switching to the Sublite. My only qualm is the caveat in the product specs -
"Fine for all night moderate rains but not recommended for long-duration
intense rainstorms."
After 35 consecutive days of precipitation in the Cascades in 2004, I'm
wondering if anyone has any actual experience with this tent in prolonged
wet conditions. Do you think it would hold up to a wet year in Washington?
Thanks.
Quijote (Sarah Howard)
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 11:21 AM
So so far we have
Me and my wife ( Outpost and Echo)
Jim and Donna
Kevin Cook
Scott Garner
... 6 out of supposedly 300 ; )? not bad for december...
echo and i will be starting on April 17'th;? in 2010 season we start on
april
14'th and i really think that's a great time.? are any of your guys AT'ers??
we
never thru hiked the AT but we did Pennsylvania and north carolina.
~Paul
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:36:36 -0800
From: Alexander Asai <alexanderasai at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
To: Holly Eggleston <verde at negentropy.net>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I plan on thru hiking 2011, starting end of April. Can't wait to meet
everyone!
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Holly Eggleston <verde at negentropy.net>wrote:
> +1 to the 2011 thru-hikers. I'm planning to start sometime in early(ish)
> April, with a detour for the kickoff.
>
> And Kevin, I'll also be celebrating my 40th on the trail, albeit in late
> July. <cheers!>
>
> > Do you guys have most of your gear already?
> For the most part, although there's going to be a bit of tweaking going on
> in the next couple of months. I'm feeling pretty good about my tent,
> sleeping pad, stove, pack, food strategy and clothes, but still working on
> shoes and sleeping bag.
>
> > Anybody bringing anything especially unique?
> Not yet, although I'm sure I'll come up with something weird.
>
> > anyone one of your guys AT vets?
> Not me!
>
> Holly
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > I use Superfeet green in all my shoes
> >
> > > From: pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
> > > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:28:53 -0800
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
> > >
> > > I have been putting the 'Brooks Cascadia 5' to the test here in the
> > middle
> > > of the Redwoods this past year.
> > >
> > > So far, beyond amazing.
> > >
> > > I did have to replace the inserts with something a bit stronger - but
> > that
> > > is a result of a 10 year old knee injury and not the shoe itself (right
> > foot
> > > tilts inward)
> > >
> > > We have 100+ inches of rain a year so it's pretty much always wet here.
> > > While the shoes does not try as fast as I might like, it does try
> faster
> > > than anything else I have tried. (well, except for my 5.11 Sleet 8"
> Boots
> > > lol)
> > >
> > > I have been using Darn Tough Socks (I've tried all heights) and thus
> far
> > > zero issues with blisters or any other foot problems.
> > >
> > > I am on-trail every other day regardless of weather. My longest day in
> > them
> > > so far has only been 12 miles (our longest trail anywhere around here
> is
> > 22
> > > miles, so limited on that) and I never once thought "Dang, my feet
> hurt".
> > >
> > > I have been using simblissity levagaiter (which I just noticed are
> > already
> > > out of stock, just a week after they re-opened lol) and I've not had
> any
> > > issue with stuff getting into the shoes.
> > >
> > > My only complaint with them, seems to be something that the previous
> > model
> > > of the Cascadia also had a problem with, and that is the shoe laces.
> They
> > > bloody things just don't want to stay tied if you just do a simple
> > overhand
> > > knot. I am almost tempted to replace them with 1.25 mm Z-line LOL I
> > figure
> > > if I am going to use something that always slips, it might as well be
> > > lighter lol
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM, James F. Miller <
> > jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm probably going to use Brooks Addictions.
> > > >
> > > > Its five pair for me and five for Dona
> > > >
> > > > My problem is size 16 which you don't just pop into town and buy.
> > > >
> > > > My other shoe of concideration is Keen Targhees, but I hear reports
> of
> > the
> > > > soles falling off in like 200 miles. But they do come in 16.
> > > >
> > > > An REI boot guy whom I talking to about Keens and the soles..I was
> > wearing
> > > > some New Balance 1012's at the time...pointed at my feet and said I'd
> > better
> > > > off with what I had on my feet!
> > > >
> > > > The New Balances are kind of still in the running.
> > > >
> > > > Jim and Dona
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:59:10 -0800
> > > > > From: paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> > > > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
> > > > >
> > > > > Being from Canada, i heard about the PCT and said "i can go do
> > that... i
> > > > have a
> > > > > good white gas stove, a -30 sleeping bag... and even a true
> > > > mountaineering
> > > > > tent! ...all i have to do is buy some new pants and 5 months worth
> of
> > > > payday
> > > > > bars" ...oh how wrong i was... seems everything i own has been
> > replaced
> > > > now
> > > > > at least once, and some twice.
> > > > > my previous hike had been in the selkirks (in march) and i really
> > thought
> > > > i knew
> > > > > what i was getting into. 'course i knew nothing about PCT-l or even
> > > > Whiteblaze.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You must love your shoes to but ten pairs of them ! that's
> commitment
> > !
> > > > what
> > > > > are you wearing? i'm loving my merell intercept shoes. not sure if
> > i'd
> > > > commit
> > > > > to the whole hike in them though.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Paul with one L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>; pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > > > > Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 6:48:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We are pretty close with gear. Basically we have replaced our
> 'heavy'
> > > > > stuff..which was most everything
> > > > >
> > > > > Going to order shoes next. We're going to see about a discount at
> our
> > > > local
> > > > > specialty running shoe store...like its ten pairs for the two of
> > > > us..ought to be
> > > > > wortht something
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim and Dona with 1N
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 21:02:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "James B." <jims_iphone17 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... (current list)
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
Wow what a list we're getting !
Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
Neil P
Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily (mid april)
flip flop (scott)
Outpost and Echo (April 17)
jim and doNa
Kevin C
Scott G (mid to late april)
Mike Schaffer
Kevin ( start 4:20 )
Kylie skidmore??
Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
Lisa Freathy
Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
Gregory Wilson and his brother
Holly Eglleston ( April)
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 21:07:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "James B." <jims_iphone17 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... (current list)
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I am definatly planning on leaving late march.
-Blu moon
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
Wow what a list we're getting !
Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
Neil P
Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily (mid april)
flip flop (scott)
Outpost and Echo (April 17)
jim and doNa
Kevin C
Scott G (mid to late april)
Mike Schaffer
Kevin ( start 4:20 )
Kylie skidmore??
Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
Lisa Freathy
Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
Gregory Wilson and his brother
Holly Eglleston ( April)
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 03:28:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... (current list)
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Wow guys, 31 people now !~
~Paul
Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
Neil P
Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily (mid april)
flip flop (scott)
Outpost and Echo (April 17)
jim and Dona
Kevin C
Scott G (mid to late april)
Mike Schaffer
Kevin ( start 4:20 )
Kylie skidmore??
Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
Lisa Freathy
Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
Gregory Wilson and his brother
Holly Eglleston ( April)
Karl Jorgenson, Jorgy
Hansel and Gretel (Nick and Emily)
Whitnee Goode
Sarah howard (ko)
Steven dvsteven (mid april)
Alexander asai (late april)
Colin and topsy Turvy (mid-late april)
Robert Henry
James B (blue moon ? march)
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 03:46:29 -0800
From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Conditions on San Antonio
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Greetings,
>From Bruce Watts, Nomad Ventures in the "Idyllwild Town Crier": " . . . the
>entire upper mountain region is coated in ice and snow. The Devil's Slide Trail
>is described as a toboggan run with packed ice and there is about a foot of snow
>on top of ice at Saddle Junction." Published: 12/2/2011.
>
Jim Keener ( J J )
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 04:10:42 -0800
From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Correction: Conditions on SAN JACINTO
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>From Bruce Watts, Nomad Ventures in the "Idyllwild Town Crier": " . . . the
>entire upper mountain region is coated in ice and snow. The Devil's Slide Trail
>is described as a toboggan run with packed ice and there is about a foot of snow
>on top of ice at Saddle Junction." Published: 12/2/2011.
>
Jim Keener ( J J )
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:42:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: enyapjr at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
(hammock comment)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>From Whitnee:
> What about a hammock? Those look really nice, but are there always places to
>set them up?
>From Paul:
> there are a lot of places in the beginning where you simply can't set up a
>hammock.
> impossible.
Granted, that first sentence can be true 'many' times - but there is also many
places in the
'beginning' where one CAN set up a hammock. Therefore it is NOT impossible!!
If one doesn't want to let hanging opportunities dictate daily mileage, then one
would also
include a pad for going to ground if needed or desired (the pad would also be
used for hammock
bottom insulation and, perhaps most importantly, daily as a rest break
sit/siesta pad)...
Others have hammocked the PCT previously, only going to ground a very few
times...
See <http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/0403/msg00694.html> and
<http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=331788&postcount=17> (or
start from the
beginning of the parent thread) for some 'experienced' answers... Then HYOH!
;-)
Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:13:58 +0000
From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
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An excellent summary. Here's my two cents.
---- Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Now, when you exit from KP you will be in Independence where there is not
> much of anything. Reports I have heard on lodging are that it is adequate.
Ray's Den Motel in Independence is the best motel on the 395. Not the cheapest
though, the Dow Villa is indeed a good stop.
> However, if you take a southbound hitch about 10-15 miles - and Highway 395
> is a well-travelled road - you find yourself in Lone Pine. In Lone Pine,
> the best breakfast and lunch are at the Alabama Hills Caf? - they feed hiker
> portions to everyone all year around. There is a Pizza Factory although I
> find his prices ridiculously high. The Carousel Restaurant offers excellent
> asian cuisine and Seasons Restaurant is always good if you're looking for an
> upscale dining experience.
The spaghetti with tomato and basil sauce is not only the cheapest item on
Season's menu, it is also the best item. Avoid the Mt. Whitney Restaurant.
> Elevations is an equipment store that has quality hiking gear, reasonable
> prices and on occasion, the owner has been known to give a 5% discount to
> PCT hikers! This is an excellent place to replace anything that needs it
> without having to take a serious side-trip to Bishop which is 60 miles
> north.
I like Elevations a lot, it's hard to believe she can pack as much gear as she
does into the small store.
> Most importantly, Joseph's Bi-Rite Market has been in business over 100
> years...
And some of the items on the shelf have been there almost as long. Always check
the expiration dates, and don't buy the green meat!
Gary
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:20:42 +0000
From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
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Before you decide, check out the Big Agnes Seedhouse. It handles weather very
well, and is very light. My girlfriend and I are happy with ours, it's worth
considering.
Gary
---- Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The only reason I'm hesitating with the tarptent is that it seems?it would be a
>pain in the ass to set up. I'm going solo, so I want something simple. They're
>simple enough, I suppose, but there's so many options and I can't make up my
>mind, haha! What about a hammock? Those look really nice, but are there always
>places to set them up? The Wild Oasis is floorless, which is great in the snow,
>but I'm a bit weary about ticks and other bloodsuckers. I could get over that, I
>bet :-) The weight savings just might be worth it... But?I also don't know how I
>could do that in the rain, especially with a down sleeping bag like the sub
>kilo. I'm leaning toward the sublite tarptent. I'm not sure which one-- sil or
>original. I eventually need to make a desicion :-) eenie meenie minee mo...
> ?
> Whitnee
>
> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo (tarptent comment)
> To: "Lisa Freathy" <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>, "Whitnee Goode"
><whitneegoode at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:03 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> about tarptents...
> i've moved to one,? in 2010 i hiked using the marmot Aeolos 2P... rock solid
>... and TWICE we had the only standing tent in the morning (out of 4 and 5
>tents)... but you're talking in the 6 lb range.
>
> the tarptent style takes a little more care in how you face the wind,? and
>maybe a few more rocks around you tent stakes to keep them in,? but the weight
>savings are so very worth it (to me)
> i've been useing the Nemo Meta 2P? used it 14 nights now... for the weight it
>is a big improvement over a 4 poled tent like a Marmot.?? it has bug netting
>etc. so as to provide some mosquito protection.? is it as strong?? of course
>not...? might i be miserable one night out of 130 nights?? sure.? but its worth
>it for the weight.
>
> the biggets downside is some condensation,?? So i take a 5 inch square of
>ShamWOW with me and qipe off the tent walls come morning ... (roll this up and
>put it in the center of your pack for an ice cold 2PM spongebath in the heat of
>the day!)...
>
> as for staking... i do this on rocky surfaces...? open my trekking pole,? or
>run the trucking pole somewhow through the guy rope (or nylon loops; whichever
>you have) and then lay that down o nthe ground and put some big old rocks on
>it.? this is stronger than just putting a stake in the ground;? though it is a
>lot more trouble it's worth it on a stormy night.
>
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
>
> I have the?women's long?even though?I am only?5'5". I like to be able to move
> around and slide down into the bag and I felt that the long was less
> constrictive.?I rarely have problems w/my feet being cold even though I have
>the
>
> extra length. I typically don't sleep with socks and have?only needed to twice,
>
> once in approx. 20* weather at 9800' and once during a cold?March night
> with?crazy wind.?
>
> I was just gifted a?FlyCreek UL1 tent but have yet to receive.?I am excited to
> check it out, and at 2lbs it is not too bad for a freestanding tent. I have
> never used a tarp?tent and had?not ever seen one until the KO last year. They
> look very roomy and?I?like the ones with the bug netting?but I have no
> experience on how easy they are to set up and how they perform in super winds,
> rain, hail, etc. Also, what are the options for set up if you are on a rock
> surface and can't stake??I can see the up side to ta tarptent?for sure,
> especially at their weight and pack size, but what, if any are the down sides?
> I'll probably start with a tent since that is what I am comfortable with, but I
>
> am always open to change and will be interested to see so many of these on the
> trail as they seem popular!
>
> Happy Hiking!Lisa
>
>
> "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
>climb
>
> a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
> ~ John Muir
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 12:08:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
>
> I'm going to try to rip the stuff sack before I go then (not really try, but be
>
> hard on it) so I don't get stuck on the pct without one. I'm glad you love
> yours!?That makes me excited :-) How's the size? It seems like a lot of people
> say it's too small or only for really skinny people. How skinny does one need
>to
>
> be in order to fit comfortably??What kind of shelter do you have? I'm thinking
> about getting either the Wild Oasis from Six Moons Designs or the the Sublite
> tarptent...
> ?
> Whitnee
>
> --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag - rei sub kilo
> To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:52 AM
>
>
> I LOVE mine!!!??
>
>
> The compress sack that came w/ripped at the straps after a couple of trips, but
>
> they let me take my pick off the shelf for a replacement one. I tore out the
> draw cord last year and ripped a section, (I was using as a blanket while
> lakeside and accidentally stepped on the bag while trying to pull the hood
> closed while walking back to the tent, not the best protection?plan). I thought
>
> they were no longer available at REI so I easily sewed the rip and re-strung
>the
>
>
> cord rather than return and it seems to be holding up fine where I did the
> repair.
>
> My friend borrows my hubby's sub kilo whenever she goes with me and is buying
> one for herself this week. Great price right now!?
> ?Lisa
>
>
> "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
>climb
>
>
> a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
> ~ John Muir
>
>
> From: Whitnee Goode whitneegoode at yahoo.com
>
> Just bought one!! AHHH! I hope I made a good choice... can't beat REI's return
> policy though :-)
>
>
> ? ? ?
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:40:50 -0600
From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Conditions on San Antonio
To: "'Jim Keener \( J J \)'" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>, "'PCT-L
MailingList'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I think that refers to San Jacinto?
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Jim Keener ( J J )
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:46 AM
To: PCT-L MailingList
Subject: [pct-l] Conditions on San Antonio
Greetings,
>From Bruce Watts, Nomad Ventures in the "Idyllwild Town Crier": " . . . the
entire upper mountain region is coated in ice and snow. The Devil's Slide
Trail is described as a toboggan run with packed ice and there is about a
foot of snow on top of ice at Saddle Junction." Published: 12/2/2011.
Jim Keener ( J J )
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 23:14:14 +1300
From: Jonathan Derecourt <just_jono at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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My Fiance (as long as she says yes at the altar, will be wife in January) and I
are planning on a thru-hike - our current plan is to start at kick-off. Just
gotta get all our visa issues sorted (I'm from New Zealand, so trying to sort
out that 6 month visa... ). With some luck, we might even get a little of our
gear as wedding presents. Fingers crossed!
Jono
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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:58:47 -0800
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Hammock Sleeping
To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Good morning, all,
Another consideration when deciding to hammock or not to hammock is social.
Those who believe they may prefer to hike/camp with a group -- large or
small -- may have difficulty finding a hang-up when the group plops down and
says, ?This is it for the day.?
Nominally lone hikers, who do pretty much their own thing, should have an
easier time; being able to knock off early if a good hang-up presents
itself, or conversely to trudging on for a mile or so to find just the right
spot.
Many hikers think of themselves as rugged individualists, but they can?t
always know in advance the extent to which they may gravitate toward hiking
in some sort of ?posse?.
?The leader shouted to the crowd, ?I'm a rugged individualist!? to which
everyone replied, ?Yeah, me too ... me too ... me too ... me too ...?? -
Norman D. Thompson
Steel-Eye
Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:12:35 -0500
From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
To: <just_jono at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Congratulations.
So, are the bride and groom registered at REI?
Ernie Castillo
Charter member of Revolving Ramen who doesn't claim to have input to the name,
PCT Class of 1980
> From: just_jono at hotmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 23:14:14 +1300
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011...
>
>
> My Fiance (as long as she says yes at the altar, will be wife in January) and I
>are planning on a thru-hike - our current plan is to start at kick-off. Just
>gotta get all our visa issues sorted (I'm from New Zealand, so trying to sort
>out that 6 month visa... ). With some luck, we might even get a little of our
>gear as wedding presents. Fingers crossed!
>
> Jono
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:15:22 -0800
From: Meaghan McCamman <meaghan0231 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lone Pine vs Independance resupply:
To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
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I would not miss the chance to hike over Kearsarge Pass, whatever you do.
That was one of the most beautiful parts of the entire thru-hike.
Spillz
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:13 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> An excellent summary. Here's my two cents.
>
> ---- Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Now, when you exit from KP you will be in Independence where there is not
> > much of anything. Reports I have heard on lodging are that it is
> adequate.
>
> Ray's Den Motel in Independence is the best motel on the 395. Not the
> cheapest though, the Dow Villa is indeed a good stop.
>
> > However, if you take a southbound hitch about 10-15 miles - and Highway
> 395
> > is a well-travelled road - you find yourself in Lone Pine. In Lone Pine,
> > the best breakfast and lunch are at the Alabama Hills Caf? - they feed
> hiker
> > portions to everyone all year around. There is a Pizza Factory although
> I
> > find his prices ridiculously high. The Carousel Restaurant offers
> excellent
> > asian cuisine and Seasons Restaurant is always good if you're looking for
> an
> > upscale dining experience.
>
> The spaghetti with tomato and basil sauce is not only the cheapest item on
> Season's menu, it is also the best item. Avoid the Mt. Whitney Restaurant.
>
> > Elevations is an equipment store that has quality hiking gear, reasonable
> > prices and on occasion, the owner has been known to give a 5% discount to
> > PCT hikers! This is an excellent place to replace anything that needs it
> > without having to take a serious side-trip to Bishop which is 60 miles
> > north.
>
> I like Elevations a lot, it's hard to believe she can pack as much gear as
> she does into the small store.
>
> > Most importantly, Joseph's Bi-Rite Market has been in business over 100
> > years...
>
> And some of the items on the shelf have been there almost as long. Always
> check the expiration dates, and don't buy the green meat!
>
> Gary
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:29:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Food Dehydrator Tips or Recipes?
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi!
I received a food dehydrator as a gift last week and just?put in my first trays
of apple, pineapple and bananas to see how this thing works. Are there any
favorite dehydrator recipes that you love or tips that I?could play with as I
get to know my new machine?
I was planning on looking up online if it is possible for me to?dehydrate home
made chili or soups. Has anybody had experience with this?
The instruction book indicates dried foods may be stored for approx. a week on
counter, a month in fridge and many months in a freezer. I had planned on
dehydrating this winter to send over the summer months but am concerned by the
storage time table I read. Did I misunderstand or are they perhaps being overly
cautious? Should I be freezing my dried foods now and have my support person add
to my boxes last minute? What have you all done as I know I have read of many
accounts of dehydrators running all winter long to prepare for the summer
months. I was thinking about getting a vacuum sealer for storage.
Thanks!
?Lisa
"Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and climb
a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
~ John Muir
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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:47:41 -0800
From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Dehydrator Tips or Recipes?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good question! Check out this links list:
http://planyourhike.com/links/index.html
Scroll down to the part that says: 'Trail Food Related"
Hope it helps. :)
--
Austin Williams
www.PlanYourHike.com
Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
-John Wayne
--
Austin Williams
www.PlanYourHike.com
Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
-John Wayne
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