[pct-l] Fw: Stove Fires

[Ken Powers]

I sent this to Paul. I should have sent it to the mailing list.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ken Powers 
To: Paul Robison 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove Fires


That is true for UPS and FedEx and commercial shippers at USPS, but not true for USPS consumer commodities. The postal regulations had not been changed when I looked a couple months ago. I tried to get a postal employee to check to see if USPS consumer commodities were subject to the new DOT regulations and got nowhere. So I only have their web published regulations to go by. Those regulations have not changed and that is what our postal employees look at when we mail fuels.

Ken
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Robison 
  To: Ken Powers 
  Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net 
  Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove Fires


  Ken,

  this information is out of date.

  there are new requirements from 2010 hat put canisters in the hazmat qual. not an ORMD any longer.
  for ups this gives them a 38$ minnimum surcharge. not sure about other carriers.  also means they can no longer go 'priority' class, though i believe first class is still an option.

  ~Paul 
  (i'm a former hazmat auditor for UPS)



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  From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
  To: robert at engravingpros.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
  Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 4:03:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove Fires

  Actually Esbit tablets, alcohol, and propane/isobutane canisters have the 
  same mailing requirements. All must be labeled as "Consumer Commodity - 
  ORM-D"  and must be shipped "Surface Mail Only".

  http://www.gottawalk.com/shipping_fuel.htm

  Ken

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
  To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:19 PM
  Subject: [pct-l] Stove Fires


  Pepsi can alcohol stoves are light weight and hot. A strong wind can blow 
  them around spraying pressurized fuel as it goes. Also, since they 
  pressurize by heating the entire stove they are not easy to stop with your 
  hands. Plus there is no way to turn them off. This scenario has led to at 
  least two forest fires that I have heard of.
  I use esbit. A half tab will boil a cup of water in about 7 minutes. They 
  are easy to blow out and easy to carry. Plus mailing them in your drop box 
  is easy. (Legal?)
  Robert
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