[pct-l] Stove choice :-S

[Paul Robison]

the amount of CO given off burning methanol is a small small fraction of what it 
is when burning petroleum based fuels, ie. canister stoves.

yes all burning COULD give off trace amounts of CO,  but methanol because it of 
it's oxygen in it's molecular formation actually burns off and gives off CO2,  
which, btw can still suffocate you through displacement; but it's not a toxin 
like carbon monoxide.  in an open burning stove, if all the gas is burned 
completely then theoretically there is no CO give off when burning any alcohol 
product.  only when the flame is starved for oxygen is ignition not complete and 
carbon monoxide is generated.  this is also true of canister fuels;  but is it 
MUCH hard to provide enough oxygen for a complete burn of petrol products 
because of the amount of energy that the same volume of fuel contains.  it takes 
5 times the volume of oxygen to complete the ignition process of petroluem fuels 
as it does alcohol fuels.  with our ambient atmosphere being about 21% oxygen;  
getting 'more' out of an open burning design is virtually impossible.
~Paul




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From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
To: Aaron Wallace <aaron at skeeky.com>; ned at mountaineducation.org; 
pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 5:55:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove choice :-S

Would that not apply to all stoves?  They all burn something right and produce 
CO.  I wouldn't use any stove in an closed space.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aaron Wallace 
  To: ned at mountaineducation.org ; pct-l at backcountry.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove choice :-S



  Just be careful using an MSR Reactor in an enclosed or poorly-ventilated 
area--the backpackinglight.com reviewers found that this stove puts out an 
extremely high level of carbon monoxide.  (The JetBoil doesn't do much better in 
this respect...). While ideally you can operate your stove outdoors in 
accordance with all the warning stickers, sometimes the weather isn't 
cooperating and it's necessary to cook inside your shelter--the Reactor does not 
seem to be a stove that can be safely used in this scenario.


  On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:59 PM, "ned at mountaineducation.org" 
<ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:

  > I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. We tested both the Jetboils (personal 
and group) and MSR (Reactor and group) stoves while we were out for two months 
between KM and Muir Trail Ranch during May and June. The Reactor was totally 
impressive and comes from us highly recommended. We will issue a formal product 
review soon.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
  > 
  > Ned Tibbits, Director
  > Mountain Education
  > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
  > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
  >    P: 888-996-8333
  >    F: 530-541-1456
  >    C: 530-721-1551
  >    http://www.mountaineducation.org
  > 
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