[pct-l] Stove choice :-S

[giniajim]

Thanks; very helpful.  Is this the chemical equation:
2 CH3OH + 3 O2 ? 2 CO2 + 4 H2O

(found it on Wikipedia).
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Robison 
  To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
  Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove choice :-S




  the amount of CO given off burning methanol is a small small fraction of what it 
  is when burning petroleum based fuels, ie. canister stoves.

  yes all burning COULD give off trace amounts of CO,  but methanol because it of 
  it's oxygen in it's molecular formation actually burns off and gives off CO2,  
  which, btw can still suffocate you through displacement; but it's not a toxin 
  like carbon monoxide.  in an open burning stove, if all the gas is burned 
  completely then theoretically there is no CO give off when burning any alcohol 
  product.  only when the flame is starved for oxygen is ignition not complete and 
  carbon monoxide is generated.  this is also true of canister fuels;  but is it 
  MUCH hard to provide enough oxygen for a complete burn of petrol products 
  because of the amount of energy that the same volume of fuel contains.  it takes 
  5 times the volume of oxygen to complete the ignition process of petroluem fuels 
  as it does alcohol fuels.  with our ambient atmosphere being about 21% oxygen;  
  getting 'more' out of an open burning design is virtually impossible.
  ~Paul




  ________________________________
  From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
  To: Aaron Wallace <aaron at skeeky.com>; ned at mountaineducation.org; 
  pct-l at backcountry.net
  Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 5:55:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove choice :-S

  Would that not apply to all stoves?  They all burn something right and produce 
  CO.  I wouldn't use any stove in an closed space.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Aaron Wallace 
    To: ned at mountaineducation.org ; pct-l at backcountry.net 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove choice :-S



    Just be careful using an MSR Reactor in an enclosed or poorly-ventilated 
  area--the backpackinglight.com reviewers found that this stove puts out an 
  extremely high level of carbon monoxide.  (The JetBoil doesn't do much better in 
  this respect...). While ideally you can operate your stove outdoors in 
  accordance with all the warning stickers, sometimes the weather isn't 
  cooperating and it's necessary to cook inside your shelter--the Reactor does not 
  seem to be a stove that can be safely used in this scenario.


    On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:59 PM, "ned at mountaineducation.org" 
  <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:

    > I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. We tested both the Jetboils (personal 
  and group) and MSR (Reactor and group) stoves while we were out for two months 
  between KM and Muir Trail Ranch during May and June. The Reactor was totally 
  impressive and comes from us highly recommended. We will issue a formal product 
  review soon.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
    > 
    > Ned Tibbits, Director
    > Mountain Education
    > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
    > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
    >    P: 888-996-8333
    >    F: 530-541-1456
    >    C: 530-721-1551
    >    http://www.mountaineducation.org
    > 
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