[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 48
Will Rohrer
wlrohrer at gmail.com
Tue Feb 9 17:53:36 CST 2010
Hi sky press,
I started my north bound section hike last summer at Castle Crags State Park
by I-5, near Castella/Dunsmuir, and I would highly recommend this section
(California Section P) for you. It's almost exactly 100 miles and the
scenery is great, particularly the first 40 miles and last 40 miles (the
middle 20 miles aren't great, but not terrible either). Plus, it's easy to
get to since it starts right at I-5 and you get to end at Etna, which is a
great little town (get the cheddar jalapeno bagels at Country Bakery).
Here are my photos from this section.
http://picasaweb.google.com/PrinceWCheech/TheFirstHundredMiles#
Feel free to email me if you want more details, I love talking about it. I
hiked the 650 miles from Castle Crags to the Columbia River so I can fill
you in on the nice stretches in Oregon too (Three Sisters!).
Will (Lucretia)
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> 1. Re: Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 2. Umbrellas Rock (Robert W. Freed)
> 3. Re: Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 (Len Glassner)
> 4. Trail recommendations (sky press)
> 5. Re: Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 6. Re: Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28 (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 7. supported pct run needs support (Adam Bradley)
> 8. Re: Avoiding the pack (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 9. Montrail shoes (Len Glassner)
> 10. Re: Topic # 10 - tent stakes (Paul Moore)
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> To: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:59:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
> South bounders usually start showing up in Skykomish mid July and finish
> Nov-early Dec.
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=282442
>
> Here is No Map's journal. He was one of the first SOBO hikers we had last
> year.
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Robert W. Freed" <robert at engravingpros.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:09:04 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [pct-l] Umbrellas Rock
> Best piece of rain gear I carry. Totally breathable, unlike even the most
> high
> end breathable fabric, you won't sweat through your gear. Easy to make a
> hands
> free attachment. Easy to deploy/put away while walking. Makes a great
> temporary sun shelter for lunch or waiting for the VVR ferry. I would
> suggest the
> golite dome or something with carbon fiber stays. Aluminum just dose not
> hold
> up to heavy wind. I have gone through a have dozen 4oz umbrellas with
> aluminum
> stays. Now I only carry my original 8 year old golite chrome dome. Well
> worth
> the extra 4 ounces.
>
> Robert
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> To: zaqueltooocool at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:11:12 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
> Andrea, any idea how many SOBOs passed through last year?
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Andrea Dinsmore
> <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com> wrote:
> > South bounders usually start showing up in Skykomish mid July and finish
> > Nov-early Dec.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: sky press <skypress at hotmail.com>
> To:
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:31:59 +0000
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail recommendations
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> My daughter and I are planning a 7-10 day stretch of PCT to explore and
> would like some recommendations between Portland and Yosemite. We have
> explored the INYO and Yosemite park, several trips on the John Muir, and
> would like to head north a bit into northern cali/southern oregon. Any
> advice from seasoned hikers would be appreciated. 10miles/day is what we
> will average. Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:59:46 -0800
> > From: zaqueltooocool at gmail.com
> > To: carlito at gmail.com
> > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net; fiddlekris at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
> >
> > South bounders usually start showing up in Skykomish mid July and finish
> > Nov-early Dec.
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=282442
> >
> > Here is No Map's journal. He was one of the first SOBO hikers we had last
> > year.
> >
> > PCT MOM
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: Kris Wallace <fiddlekris at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:33:17 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
> Good afternoon, Kris,
>
> In my opinion the greatest opportunity for solitude on the PCT is NoBo. A
> slightly early start and/or a somewhat faster daily pace will soon put one
> near the front. The NoBo “pack” really isn’t a traveling group; after the
> first day or so it becomes well strung-out to be a traveling file, many
> days
> long. As long as one maintains a reasonable pace it’s not too difficult to
> see only a few people who just happen to have the same pace and
> number/duration of stops. Slow down for a day and the followers begin to
> overtake; speed up for a day or so and the traffic becomes increasingly
> thin. In that way among the “pack”, I’ve spent a number of days having
> seen
> one – or possibly no – other person and I didn’t hike with anyone.
>
> SoBo one will experience considerable solitude in Washington, but by July
> and August in Oregon and N. California the approaching NoBo traffic will
> become significant. The SoBo’er will meet most of the 200-300 NoBo hikers,
> and each will want to stop and hear the whole story about trail conditions,
> bugs, water sources, inventory in trail towns, fires and fire closures, and
> “have you seen my good buddy (trail name)”.
>
> That’s all great fun, but repeating the story 10 times a day for a month is
> a bit tiresome and time-consuming.
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Kris Wallace <fiddlekris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi L-Rod,
> >
> > I usually prefer solitude on the trail rather than being right smack in
> the
> > middle of a pack -- but even if I would prefer to avoid the crowd, do I
> > have
> > a choice? Based on what I've been researching so far for this thruhike,
> I
> > thought that I need to leave in the same window as the crowd to avoid too
> > much snow at both ends?
> >
> > Kris
> >
> > dsaufley at sprynet.com wrote:
> > "So, the question is, what are you personally comfortable with? We see
> an
> > extremely broad spectrum of preferences here -- from true loners to those
> > who could not be out on the trail if they didn't have their social clique
> > (more of the latter than the former). There's also a whole subculture of
> > support people who follow The Herd, providing food, drink and they like.
> > They move north with the pack. So, if you leave in this window, you MAY
> > have
> > a relatively solitary hiking experience on trail, but know that the same
> > will probably not be true when you reach prime destinations like resupply
> > venues and campsites." -- L-Rod
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:35:53 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
> Good afternoon, Kris,
>
> In my opinion the greatest opportunity for solitude on the PCT is NoBo. A
> slightly early start and/or a somewhat faster daily pace will soon put one
> near the front. The NoBo “pack” really isn’t a traveling group; after the
> first day or so it becomes well strung-out to be a traveling file, many
> days
> long. As long as one maintains a reasonable pace it’s not too difficult to
> see only a few people who just happen to have the same pace and
> number/duration of stops. Slow down for a day and the followers begin to
> overtake; speed up for a day or so and the traffic becomes increasingly
> thin. In that way among the “pack”, I’ve spent a number of days having
> seen
> one – or possibly no – other person and I didn’t hike with anyone.
>
> SoBo one will experience considerable solitude in Washington, but by July
> and August in Oregon and N. California the approaching NoBo traffic will
> become significant. The SoBo’er will meet most of the 200-300 NoBo hikers,
> and each will want to stop and hear the whole story about trail conditions,
> bugs, water sources, inventory in trail towns, fires and fire closures, and
> “have you seen my good buddy (trail name)”.
>
> That’s all great fun, but repeating the story 10 times a day for a month is
> a bit tiresome and time-consuming.
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrea, any idea how many SOBOs passed through last year?
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Andrea Dinsmore
> > <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > South bounders usually start showing up in Skykomish mid July and
> finish
> > > Nov-early Dec.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Adam Bradley <tooloouk79852 at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:36:50 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [pct-l] supported pct run needs support
> Short and sweet:
> Anyone out there have next summer off (june to august), a reliable vehicle,
> and the want to help 2 supported runners set a new record on the PCT?
>
> If so shoot me a email. Bink and Krud are trying to put something together
> for 2010 snow permitting of course.
>
> Thanks for your consideration,
>
> Krudmeister
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:55:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Avoiding the pack
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:48 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>>
>> I usually prefer solitude on the trail rather than being right smack in
>> the
>> middle of a pack -- but even if I would prefer to avoid the crowd, do I
>> have
>> a choice? Based on what I've been researching so far for this thruhike, I
>> thought that I need to leave in the same window as the crowd to avoid too
>> much snow at both ends?
>>
>> Kris
>>
>
> There is a small window. It's not as herd-like when you are on the trail as
> L-Rod experiences in her yard. I didn't even know about a herd when I
> planned my hike but ended up within it. You can still have plenty of
> solitude. Best way to do that is to avoid places where people congregate.
>
> I split my hike in two. I did my second summer ahead of the pack. I thought
> it was a better experience to not be in the herd. I did not have to race the
> snow in Washington.
>
> In addition to hiking southbound, you could do a flip flop or you could
> break the trail up into chunks and rearrange each chunk for optimal weather.
> Southern California is nice Spring and Fall. The Sierras are nice Summer and
> Fall. Oregon has awful mosquitoes in July but is otherwise very beautiful.
> Washington is wonderful in August. Those aren't the only months you can do
> these portions, but I think you get the idea. Not as pure and possibly a
> logistical pain, but an option.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:56:26 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Montrail shoes
> Has anyone used the Hardrock 09 or Mountain Masochist for a long hike?
> I'm particularly wondering about durability and underfoot protection
> from pointy things.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paul Moore <pab_lo49 at hotmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:08:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Topic # 10 - tent stakes
>
> I found these 9" aluminum "Y-shape" stakes at Target. About the same price
> as the MSR Ground Hog, but 1.5 inches longer. The one pound product weight
> on the Traget web site is apparently for shipping purposes - on my old
> scales they come in just under one ounce each.
>
>
>
> http://www.target.com/Coleman-Heavy-Duty-Tent-Stakes/dp/B00168SD5Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1038576&keywords=tent%20stakes&field_browse=1038576&searchSize=30&id=Coleman%20Heavy%20Duty%20Tent%20Stakes&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Ctarget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1038576&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=target104545&searchPage=1&field_keywords=tent%20stakes
>
> From: pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> Subject: Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 47
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:48:49 -0600
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> 1. Re: ranger rick (AsABat)
> 2. Re: , planning, rangers, (Kathryn Zimmerman)
> 3. Re: Ursacks? (Thomas Jamrog)
> 4. Re: Rangers (Ellen Shopes)
> 5. Re: ups your pack (Ellen Shopes)
> 6. Re: Ursacks? (Steve McAllister)
> 7. Re: , planning, rangers, (Kathryn Zimmerman)
> 8. Re: ups your pack (Kathryn Zimmerman)
> 9. Further Mt. Whitney permit clarification (Kathryn Zimmerman)
> 10. Re: tent stakes (tarp stakes, too)
> (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 11. PCT Song (The Incredible Bulk)
> 12. Re: Ursacks? (Daniel Bailey)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:43:00 -0800
> From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ranger rick
> To: canoeman at qnet.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I haven't seen Ranger Rick in quite some time. Last time was too many years
> ago near Glen Pass. I think we talked for an hour about ham radios (believe
> it or not!). He ended up buying the radio I recommended for backcountry
> use.
> Not sure where he's stationed now.
>
> AsABat
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:53:21 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] , planning, rangers,
> To: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> A Whitney permit is not needed if you are approaching from the PCT, the
> west. It's only need if you are coming in from the Whitney Portal through
> the Whitney Zone from the East. This has been very confusing and poorly
> worded both on the PCTA site and the Inya Wilderness site. But we finally
> got that clarified.
>
> Bag Lady
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Joel Fisler <pct at fisler.ch> wrote:
> > > I have the same question: I didnt put a date, I just wrote late June or
> > early July or something like that and now on my permit it says: July 1st.
> > Does that mean I have to be there on that date or can it be a few weeks
> > before or after? Thanks for clarifications.
> >
> > I doubt any thru-hiker hits the top of Whitney on the exact day
> > specified. And I doubt a 'few week' variance wouldn't raise the ire
> > of a ranger. It would be different if you came up from the east side,
> > which is much more heavily regulated.
> >
> > If you decided to switch from a NOBO to SOBO hike, creating a
> > multimonth difference, maybe I'd ask the PCTA if I needed a new piece
> > of paper.
> >
> > >
> > > On 08.02.2010, at 12:11, ambery-80243 at mypacks.net wrote:
> > >
> > >> This leads me to a question about the Whitney permits that I haven't
> > seen addressed here. On the permit you put in an "approximate" Whitney
> > date. If you decided to flip-flop for whatever reason, and you end up
> going
> > through Whitney Portal a month or more later than this date, is this
> still
> > acceptable, and are we still within our rights to use the same permit?
> > >
> > >
> > Just to be clear, the 'portal' is 6K feet below the summit, on the
> > east side. That's where the store and the burgers are. No portal
> > burger for the typical thru.
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>
> --
> - Kathryn
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 05:19:24 -0500
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursacks?
> To: "Jim Bravo" <jimbravo at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8EFD6B1D-7D61-43B5-A043-876A7535201D at midcoast.com>
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> I am trying out a new Ursack Minor,which is for rodents, not bears. They
> were on sale a while ago. They are made of a fabric that is said to be
> impenetrable to rodents. The thing looks and feels like a traditional stuff
> sack. I will go to a bear canister when needed.
> Uncle Tom
>
> On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Jim Bravo wrote:
>
> > Opsacks
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 03:58:07 -0600
> From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rangers
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <1C41F609653F45E98C759B690DA18740 at ELLEN>
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>
> I vowed I wasn't going to get suck into this conversation...
>
> Just so you know my background, I worked as a law enforcement Ranger for
> several years at various national parks. Because of this background and
> because I truly want to protect the resource, I tend to follow rules.
>
> No, the parks don't officially establish 'quotas' for tickets, but
> managements vary as to how strictly they expect rules/regulations to be
> enforced. And even without quotas, Rangers vary alot in how they perceive
> their role. For example, one year at Grand Canyon, the Rangers in the
> corridor use area (Bright Angel Trail, etc) established a game to see who
> got the most points over the busy season: a ranger got one point for every
> ticket he/she wrote, had one point taken away for every evacuation he/she
> 'allowed'. The person who racked up the most points won.
>
> Some parks do encourage more of a police presence, even in the backcountry.
> I've never encountered this in Sequoia/Kings Canyon. But Yosemite...Last
> year, being the 3rd time the JMT, my husband and I planned to see a few new
> sites along the way. When we picked up our permit at the Tuolumne RS, we
> had a long conversation with the Ranger about trail conditions in the
> Ireland drainage (off of Lyell). The next day, we planned to go up
> Tuolumne
> Pass, down Ireland, and rejoin the JMT to camp (something that would have
> been legal at Grand Canyon). Just short of the pass, we ran into a Ranger,
> who upon checking our permit, told us we were off itinerary and subject to
> citation. He allowed us to backtrack to Lyell.
>
> But this is one of those instances where I sure wanted to argue the
> absurdity:
> 1. The Ranger at the station and the one in the backcountry had
> different views of the regs
> 2. I doubt that it is illegal to day hike up Tuolumne Pass, down
> Ireland, and out Lyell to Tuolumne. But because we had on backpacks
> instead
> of day packs, we were illegal.
> 3. This did nothing that I could see to 'protect the resource'.
> Indeed, since we ended up hiking more miles by turning around than we would
> have otherwise, we caused more impact on the trail.
>
> I wrote a long letter to the park at the end of our trip and received no
> reply. I also wrote one to SEKI, congratulating them on their excellent
> Rangers.
>
> Ellen
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 04:10:28 -0600
> From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ups your pack
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I like this idea...but where do you ship it to? A hotel you plan to stay
> at?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <canoeman at qnet.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 1:07 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] ups your pack
>
>
> > This works for me.
> > I don't carry luggage on planes any more, I UPS it to my destination.
> > It saves all problems of going through security, plus you can do E check
> > in at
> > kiosk, dont have to get in line, boarding pass right away.
> > Especially since luggage fees can be as much as 60.00 bucks now.
> > The last two times I have flown with luggage, they have lost part of my
> > luggage.
> > I.m luggage free, when I fly on the evil airlines.
> > canoeman
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 06:35:37 -0500
> From: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursacks?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Sometimes stealth camping doesn't even work.
> I had coyotes try to get into my Ursack far from the trail and
> campsite. I guess I had hung it low enough that they were able to
> reach it by jumping , hanging by their teeth and whipping their heads
> bag and forth.
> They gave up after a while.
>
> All it did was put some very minor tooth marks in the bag.
>
> Bears are only one reason to use one.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com> wrote:
> > I am trying out a new Ursack Minor,which is for rodents, not bears. ?They
> were on sale a while ago. ?They are made of a fabric that is said to be
> impenetrable to rodents. ?The thing looks and feels like a traditional stuff
> sack. ?I will go to a bear canister when needed.
> > Uncle Tom
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Jim Bravo wrote:
> >
> >> Opsacks
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:09:09 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] , planning, rangers,
> To: "Jim & Janet Ake" <jake2003at at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> *This is the wording on the PCTA Permit page:*
>
> "The U.S. Forest Service has implemented a $15 reservation fee to climb Mt.
> Whitney, exit and re-enter the Whitney Portal on the east side."
>
>
>
> *And this is the wording on the Permit:*
>
>
> *Part B - Mt. Whitney Reservation(Whitney Portal Eastern Side)- *
>
>
>
> *And the form asks the question*
>
> "Do you plan to access Whitney Portal: Yes: No: "
>
>
> *and defaults to NO.*
>
> Further, if you click on the link on the PCTA Permit page under Mt Whitney
> permit you go to the Inyo Nat'l Forest site and can view the map that
> better
> explains all this. The trail we hike in on is outside the Whitney
> Zone.<http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/zonelarge.shtml>
>
> But I agree with you, it's not very clear.
>
> Consider it a donation, and they probably get lots of them.
>
> Bag Lady
>
>
> <http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/zonelarge.shtml>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Jim & Janet Ake <jake2003at at sbcglobal.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Great!! I just sent my $30 for a permit for Whitney to PCTA because
> their
> > thru hike permit form indicates that you have to. There is no
> information
> > on the form to indicate otherwise.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:12:43 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ups your pack
> To: canoeman at qnet.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Canoeman,
>
> What are the shipping charges usually? I only pay $15 to check a bag and
> it
> seems it would cost much more than that.
>
> Bag Lady
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, <canoeman at qnet.com> wrote:
>
> > This works for me.
> > I don't carry luggage on planes any more, I UPS it to my destination.
> > It saves all problems of going through security, plus you can do E check
> in
> > at
> > kiosk, dont have to get in line, boarding pass right away.
> > Especially since luggage fees can be as much as 60.00 bucks now.
> > The last two times I have flown with luggage, they have lost part of my
> > luggage.
> > I.m luggage free, when I fly on the evil airlines.
> > canoeman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mom said ;
> > Have you all considered shipping your pack and stuff UPS instead of
> paying
> > luggage fees and possibly loosing it ??
> >
> > PCT MOM
> >
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> --
> - Kathryn
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:26:44 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Further Mt. Whitney permit clarification
> To: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> at Backpacker45.com: <http://www.backpack45.com/pctfaq.html>
>
> Permits Get your thru hiker permit from the PCTA if you are going 500 miles
> or more. Pay them $15 and get a Whitney stamp* if you plan to exit east
> over
> Whitney Portal. **The normal permit is all you need to just summit Whitney
> from the west side and return to the pct. *
>
> The red large font is my addition. Too bad it's not stated that clearly
> anywhere else!
>
> Bag Lady
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 06:33:53 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent stakes (tarp stakes, too)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I bought the titanium stakes with my tent from Gossamer Gear. Turned
> out they worked fine for the four corners but I needed something
> beefier for the front and back ends. I ended up finding stakes on the
> trail. One was a very light, large aluminum hook. I use that for the
> back. The other was a large Y-shaped straight stake that I use for
> the front. I also found a smaller X shaped stake but I haven't used
> it. Carried it for backup. I only carried one extra stake for backup.
> On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:37 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > Here's a thrilling gram-weenie writing prompt for PCT-L discourse:
> > stakes.
> > Stakes for your tent, stakes for your tarp. What kind(s) do you use
> > and why?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:19:24 -0800
> From: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Song
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Here is another PCT and backpacking in general gem...
>
> "Buggin'" by The Flaming Lips.
>
> As John Candy once said, "I hate those, they do that."
>
> --
> Tom KI6ASP
> The Incredible Bulk
> pctaddict.blogspot.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:22:47 -0800
> From: Daniel Bailey <greenhiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursacks?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Kathryn,
>
> Ursacks are very good for the areas where bear canisters aren't used. I
> wouldn't hike without mine.
>
> The main alternative is learning how to hang your food, which can be
> tedious. Some people become very skilled at hanging their food, but I
> found
> it to be an exercise in frustration.
>
> Be well,
>
> Senator
>
> > Wondering if Ursacks are a good item to have in places that don't
> > require the bear canisters. Otherwise what is a good way to deal with
> > food, and please no "use as a pillow" comments:-)
> >
> > kathryn
>
>
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>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: RBozzell at vailresorts.com
> CC: imeugeneius at hotmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:35:54 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Meeting Friend on PCT
>
>
>
> I am doing a thru hike this year and I have a friend that is going to met
> me out on the PCT for a week. He was going to do the JMT with me, but he
> doesn't have enough time for that length. He is a ultra-marathon runner so I
> am not worried about him keeping up after I get my Trail legs. He is pretty
> flexible to when he comes out between April and October, but can only take a
> week away from work and family. Is there any sections of the PCT that anyone
> would recommend for the week he comes out to hike and that are also somewhat
> easy to get to from an airport and bus ride?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:03:28 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Umbrellas
>
> Greetings,
>
> Anyone want to write about umbrellas: carry/don't carry, which one?
>
> Walk well,
> Jim Keener ( J J )
> _________________
>
> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
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> http://olderhealthier.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: fiddlekris at gmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:19:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
>
> Hi L-Rod,
>
> I usually prefer solitude on the trail rather than being right smack in the
> middle of a pack -- but even if I would prefer to avoid the crowd, do I
> have
> a choice? Based on what I've been researching so far for this thruhike, I
> thought that I need to leave in the same window as the crowd to avoid too
> much snow at both ends?
>
> Kris
>
> dsaufley at sprynet.com wrote:
> "So, the question is, what are you personally comfortable with? We see an
> extremely broad spectrum of preferences here -- from true loners to those
> who could not be out on the trail if they didn't have their social clique
> (more of the latter than the former). There's also a whole subculture of
> support people who follow The Herd, providing food, drink and they like.
> They move north with the pack. So, if you leave in this window, you MAY
> have
> a relatively solitary hiking experience on trail, but know that the same
> will probably not be true when you reach prime destinations like resupply
> venues and campsites." -- L-Rod
>
>
>
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
> From: carlito at gmail.com
> CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> To: fiddlekris at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:48:48 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 28
>
> You're right: the snow-avoidance window is fairly narrow, a month or two,
> depending on your hiking speed and risk tolerance.
>
> If your goal is to complete a straight-ahead thru hike of the PCT while
> minimizing contact with other hikers, your best bet is to go southbound
> from
> Canada.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Kris Wallace <fiddlekris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I usually prefer solitude on the trail rather than being right smack in
> the
> > middle of a pack -- but even if I would prefer to avoid the crowd, do I
> > have
> > a choice? Based on what I've been researching so far for this thruhike,
> I
> > thought that I need to leave in the same window as the crowd to avoid too
> > much snow at both ends?
> >
> >
>
>
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