[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, trail guide plus maps SOBO

Wed Feb 10 21:23:59 CST 2010

Pat,

I am SOBO Canadian Border to Government Camp after reading
http://www.planyourhike.com/planning/southbound.html. I plan on starting at
Harts Pass to get to the border.

Aug 24th-Sept-2.
http://postholer.com/journal/configPlan.php?sid=5f4b6825ddb193c681c0a3ace45189b0

I have ordered PCT atlas and imported half mile waypoints into Topo 8 and
added aerials. However, I am considering printing half miles maps but will
wait till I see the atlas.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:42 PM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:

> Send Pct-l mailing list submissions to
>        pct-l at backcountry.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>        http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>        pct-l-request at backcountry.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>        pct-l-owner at backcountry.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Pct-l digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: trail guide plus maps (Austin Williams)
>   2. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire     Closure
>      (Len Glassner)
>   3. Re: Trail recommendations (Austin Williams)
>   4. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep FireClosure
>      (Bob Bankhead)
>   5.  GPS vs PLB (Postholer)
>   6. Re: GPS vs PLB (Jim Boatwright)
>   7. Re: GPS vs PLB (Bill Burge)
>   8. Re: PLB (Ken Powers)
>   9. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire     Closure
>      (Kathryn Zimmerman)
>  10. Re: GPS vs PLB (Halfmile)
>  11. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire     Closure
>      (dsaufley)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:18:51 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail guide plus maps
> To: Patrick Maloney <p1234maloney at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <bdb32ad91002101218j7bdfa174kdc0bca9aa6e4fc2d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I love to hear people thinking about southbounding.
>
> Here's some info on southbounding:
>
> http://www.planyourhike.com/planning/southbound.html
>
> And here are the different map options and their pros and cons:
>
> http://www.planyourhike.com/maps/index.html
>
> I used the WP Guidebooks, but next time I'll print my own Half Mile Maps.
>
> -Austin
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Patrick Maloney <p1234maloney at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Anyone out there have reccomendations for best trail guide and maps.
> > Hopefully southbounding this summer.  Thanks
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Austin Williams
> PlanYourHike.com
>
> "The mountains are calling and I must go."   -John Muir
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:31:43 -0800
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire
>        Closure
> To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>        <1862be61002101231p4cd846a7r8020f692ce5c8fab at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Looks like the alternate route is a road walk from Cajon Pass to
> Wrightwood.
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/documents/forder1001_closure_map.pdf
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, dsaufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> > Sheep Fire closure has
> > been reinstated through October 2010:
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:41:22 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail recommendations
> To: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>,
>        pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <bdb32ad91002101241o27a173ddr260f45dcaff3dd07 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I recommend Goat Rocks.  Beautiful!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:12:21 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep
>        FireClosure
> To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <A7B560B41FB940B39B53B6EF368191DF at BOB>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Pardon the pessimism, but it keeps sounding more and more like 2010 will be
> a good year to hike southbound. You might get lucky and they'll have most of
> the closures re-opened by the tie you reach them.
>
> Alternatively, start your northbound hike June 01 from either Mojave or
> Tehachapi, both of which have good bus service to and from Bakersfield. Come
> back next year and do the first 566 miles of southern CA, sections A-E.
>
> This also allows you to start later than usual; good news for all you new
> grads or school teachers who can't get off until June. Good news too for
> Donna and the other southern trail angels normally inundated by the sweaty,
> stinky masses of hiker trash falling off the trail onto their doorsteps.
> Here's a chance to grow new grass, and take care of all those other projects
> that have been hanging fire for several years. Maybe even - dare I say it -
> take a vacation with their significant other.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:27:09 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  GPS vs PLB
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001b01caaa97$cf747560$aef25142 at Snoopy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> IMO, neither are needed and are just extra weight.
>
> However, if you're going to carry a spot here's what you can do with it
> (click a yellow icon):
> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?event_id=396
>
> Within a minute of the OK or HELP button being pressed your location
> relative to the PCT will be updated. Folks following your journey will
> absolutely love it. You can also use a GPS to do the same thing.
>
> -postholer
>
> ------------------------------------
> Trail Journals, Google Trail Maps, Forums: http://postholer.com
> Pacific Crest Trail Photo Atlas: http://postholer.com/photoAtlas.php
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:44:52 -0600
> From: Jim Boatwright <jimcboat at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS vs PLB
> To: Postholer <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <41e795861002101344w1d746433sb9a5cb109897f724 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I am in a similar situation as the original poster.  My family has asked me
> to carry a SPOT.  At first I flatly refused but then when I realized how
> concerned they were I decided I would consider carrying an extra half pound
> or so.  I decided that, even if I think their concern is bordering on the
> irrational, it would be worth the extra effort to give them some peace of
> mind.  Plus, they agreed to pay for the service :)  Of course if SPOT
> doesn't resolve their recall issue in time, maybe I won't have to carry
> one.  I'm curious how a GPS could be used to update the map position as
> well.  Maybe they would agree to a GPS instead ...
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> P.S. sorry for the double post to you, postholer, I just hit reply the
> first
> time.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Postholer <public at postholer.com> wrote:
>
> > IMO, neither are needed and are just extra weight.
> >
> > However, if you're going to carry a spot here's what you can do with it
> > (click a yellow icon):
> > http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?event_id=396
> >
> > Within a minute of the OK or HELP button being pressed your location
> > relative to the PCT will be updated. Folks following your journey will
> > absolutely love it. You can also use a GPS to do the same thing.
> >
> > -postholer
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Trail Journals, Google Trail Maps, Forums: http://postholer.com
> > Pacific Crest Trail Photo Atlas: http://postholer.com/photoAtlas.php
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:57:51 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS vs PLB
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E20FA96E-C17C-4EB4-9045-D68D479270BC at burge.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> Not sure I understand.
>
> You can do it with a GPS IF you add that data when you get access to
> the Internet.
>
> The SPoT will do it while you are on the trail.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> For the original poster:
>
> What you will also find is that those who worry about you will worry
> less.  Then they will enjoy checking in periodically to see where you
> are and what you're "doing".  They will tell friends ad before you
> know it - you will have a fan club.  This happened to me on a cross
> country DRIVE of all things.  From Atlanta to LA and when we left
> Phoenix - we had over a dozen friends and family following!
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Postholer wrote:
>
> > IMO, neither are needed and are just extra weight.
> >
> > However, if you're going to carry a spot here's what you can do with
> > it
> > (click a yellow icon):
> > http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?event_id=396
> >
> > Within a minute of the OK or HELP button being pressed your location
> > relative to the PCT will be updated. Folks following your journey will
> > absolutely love it. You can also use a GPS to do the same thing.
> >
> > -postholer
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Trail Journals, Google Trail Maps, Forums: http://postholer.com
> > Pacific Crest Trail Photo Atlas: http://postholer.com/photoAtlas.php
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:07:03 -0800
> From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PLB
> To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <A3F903B810D24757A1333C4880711FB1 at Desktop2008>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Back in the olden days (2002) we agreed to carry a PocketMail so we could
> communicate our status on the CDT to our aging mothers. They probably
> didn't
> realize how few phones we would find. Now we are looking for a better
> device
> for journaling. We tried a cell phone on the Idaho Centennial Trail. It had
> to many limitations, but it was usable as a phone in some of the 4 towns we
> went through.
>
> Last week we gave a presentation at the local Rotary Club on our Idaho
> Centennial Trail hike. A policeman attendee stopped us after the show and
> strongly encouraged us to carry a Spot device. He thought it made search
> and
> rescue a lot easier. He also asked about our boots -- I pointed to my trail
> runners ;)
>
> Ken
> www GottaWalk com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:10:43 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire
>        Closure
> To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>        <745414f91002101410p3ae5be33o4040ca105430df96 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> OK, help me understand.  Will it be evident when I get here on the PCT that
> the trail is closed and what I'm supposed to do?
>
> Bag Lady
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:46 PM, dsaufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> > No, interesting that you should ask this. I just now found this at the
> San
> > Bernardino National Forest website, indicating the Sheep Fire closure has
> > been reinstated through October 2010:
> >
> > http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/about/forder1001.shtml
> >
> > Note that they specifically call out hiking the PCT as prohibited.  This
> > means only a small stretch of trail above Wrightwood, over Baden Powell
> to
> > Islip Saddle, will be open. The PCT reopens again at Soledad Canyon.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounes at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> ]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Len Glassner
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:32 AM
> > To: PCT
> > Subject: [pct-l] trail closure status
> >
> > The only remaining closure from the fires of last year is that from
> > the Station fire, right?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> - Kathryn
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:24:12 -0800
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS vs PLB
> To: Roger Binschus <roger_pct at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>        <324d57761002101424i224f1941x47b3a5d7288eea65 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Psycho,
> I am sure you will get lot's of comments to your question. I'm going
> to pass on the debate, but if you do end up with a GPS, I have a bunch
> of data you can load into it at www.pctmap.net. As to GPS models, I
> would recommend almost any Garmin unit that has a microSD memory card
> such as the Vista HCx or Dakota 20. You will also want to purchase
> Garmin Maps and a memory card for the GPS.
> -Halfmile
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Roger Binschus <roger_pct at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > On my 2005 hike, I carried neither a GPS or a PLB (personal locator
> beacon [SPOT])
> >
> > This year, my parents are requesting that I bring on or the other...if
> not both. I am leaning towards a GPS, because it is weight I can use. My
> parents are leaning towards a PLB, because it can send an emergency signal,
> should I be injured..... but I have a hiking partner, and all the other
> hikers around me....so unless I am lost and injured at the same time, the
> PLB seems useless to me.
> >
> > Anyone have any input as to what I should get? both? And as far as GPS's
> go.... which would you recommend? and how useful is a GPS on a trail as
> Traveled as the PCT?
> >
> > Thanks in adavance.
> > -Psycho
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:42:02 -0800
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire
>        Closure
> To: "'Len Glassner'" <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'PCT' <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000301caaaa2$43b045d0$cb10d170$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> This is the 45+ mile road walk that I've been referring to in previous
> posts.  I state for the record that I personally believe HIGHWAY 138 IS
> UNSAFE TO WALK UPON -- it is tantamount to walking along a freeway.  Hikers
> Jane and Flicka were killed along this road.  There are other, safer, roads
> that are less travelled, and certainly travelled at more reasonable speeds,
> that would get a hiker around the closures.
>
> I have been told that official alternatives are being sought. We all have
> to
> be cognizant and patient that no alternatives can be declared until the
> storm season is over, the trails have been reconned, and any necessary
> repairs made to allow safe passage.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Glassner [mailto:len5742 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:32 PM
> To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> Cc: PCT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire
> Closure
>
> Looks like the alternate route is a road walk from Cajon Pass to
> Wrightwood.
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/documents/forder1001_closure_map.pdf
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, dsaufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> > Sheep Fire closure has
> > been reinstated through October 2010:
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-l mailing list
> Pct-l at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> End of Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 55
> *************************************
>