[pct-l] Hitching Back to ADZ

Justin Smith justinsmith91 at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 23 10:48:55 CST 2010 

A question or two to those who have done it or are thinking of doing it this year.  My partner and I are thinking about beginning a couple of days early and then hitching back to the Kickoff Party. 

Where did you hitch from? Julian, Warner Springs...

Did you set up rides to and from ahead of time?

Is anyone thinking of doing this this year?

Thank you and see you out there....

 

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> 1. Re: Pocket mail alternative (David Thibault)
> 2. Re: Peek Pronto at Costco.com (Bill Burge)
> 3. Re: Pocket mail alternative (David Thibault)
> 4. the hazards of hiking alone (Janet Grossman)
> 5. Peek (Kea)
> 6. Re: The hazards of hiking alone (Mountaingoat Fraser)
> 7. Hiking Alone (Mary Kwart)
> 8. Re: The hazards of hiking alone (Susan Virnig)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:17:48 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pocket mail alternative
> To: Kea <keahiker at gmail.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The peek only searches for cell towers when it is on as it requests your
> email only after you turn it on. When it is off it is truely off - it
> doesn't have to be on like a cell phone to get incoming calls. It has an
> airplane mode that shuts off the receiver and saves battery life - I used
> this when I was out of service area and composing journal entries. I found
> that I could use it about a week before I had to charge it again. I used it
> about an hour a day for reading email, writing in my journal, and general
> reading. I carried a spare battery (they are $15) but only used it once.
> With care you could do the whole PCT without a spare battery and I would not
> take one if I do it again.
> I used dailylit.com to send me chapters of a book that I read on the device
> and used it to get the occasional weather report also.
> 
> Day-Late
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Kea <keahiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have hesitated about getting a Peek because of the question of battery
> > life. For most of the PCT, there will be no signal so presumably the Peek
> > will keep trying to connect. With cell phones I have used, this kills the
> > battery in no time fast. The only solution is to turn the phone off when
> > there is no signal; but of course this does not work when typing in one's
> > journal.
> >
> > So my question is: how does the peek handle no signal and how does this
> > affect the battery life? I could find no answers in the Peek web site.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kea
> >
> >
> > 2009/9/25 David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> >
> >> I used a peek for journaling on the PCT this year with great success.
> >> If you want to just journal, the peek is a much better option than
> >> pocket mail. It
> >> costs and weighs less and is easier to use. Worked great with
> >> postholer as they support email updates directly to journals. Myself
> >> and Ice Axe used them this year
> >> and we were both very happy with them. They are $20/month and I think
> >> you can now find the device for about $20 also. I did go about a week
> >> without service at times
> >> but you just save your entry and send them when service is available.
> >> I carried a spare battery and only used it once (this could have been
> >> avoided too).
> >> I would not carry the spare battery again as it wasn't necessary. The
> >> keyboard is bigger than most phones and that made a big difference for
> >> me as I had a phone available
> >> to use but could never get comfortable using the too small keypad.
> >>
> >> Day-late
> >>
> >>
> >> Ruckman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> in reference to the pocketmail. i know what you mean about having so
> >> many devices. pocketmail was a good thing to have when i did the AT in
> >> 03,
> >> but nowadays theres a lighter option that i saw another hiker using
> >> that he raved about called the PEEK 2 ( think thats what it was
> >> called).
> >> the device was about $60, and $20 a month for service. thats all its
> >> used for is writing, sending and receiving emails and i think you may
> >> be able
> >> to directly send it to trailjournals. but the guy who had it was on
> >> postholer and he could directly send it to that. you dont need a phone
> >> to
> >> send the messages either. it just sends them when it gets a signal.
> >> wish i had used one this year on the PCT. live and learn.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:24:34 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Peek Pronto at Costco.com
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net box" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> AND it comes with TWO months of free service to get you going!
> 
> BillB
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:12 PM, boundforadventure at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Costco.com has the Peek Pronto for $49.99 after $30 off - shipping and
> > handling included. It's item # 468020.
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:28:52 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pocket mail alternative
> To: Matt Thyer <matt_thyer at hotmail.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> It worked pretty well from Campo to Upper Oregon except in the high Sierra's
> and Yosemite area. In Washington the coverage was not great.
> 
> I went about 6 days max without coverage in Yosemite and Washington. I just
> saved my journal entries and sent them when I got coverage. The rest of the
> trail it was every few days. I would usually turn on the device when I got
> to a higher peak overlooking larger valleys - and I would get the occasional
> signals. I typically updated my journal every two to four days on average.
> I probably could have more often but didn't feel the need to keep looking
> for signals. I got reception in most towns and they were never too long
> away also.
> 
> If you expect always on coverage you will be disappointed (as you would
> with any cell phone also). But for journaling I found it worked great. I
> know Ice Axe, who used one of these also, had very little complaints about
> coverage - he turned his on more than me looking for signals and updated his
> journal even more often than I did. He told me he thought his coverage was
> as good as anyone carrying a cell phone (any carrier).
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Day-Late
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Matt Thyer <matt_thyer at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > David,
> >
> > What kind of connectivity have you been able to see with this device?
> > Where
> > have you used it and where has it worked/not-worked?
> >
> > Really interesting device, but the coverage maps I've been able to find
> > tell
> > me almost nothing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of David Thibault
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:54 PM
> > To: Kea; Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pocket mail alternative
> >
> > The Peek has an airplane mode that turns off the seek reception mode. Also
> > it only seeks cell connection when turned on. Unlike a phone it doesn't
> > have to be always on. When you turn it on it attempts to connect and then
> > downloads your new messages. When its off it is off.
> >
> > I found I could go about a week without recharging it while actually using
> > it about an hour a day. That was more than enough time to read emails and
> > compose journal entries. I also used it as a book by using dailylit.comto
> > email me chapters of books one at a time. Towards the end I wasn't reading
> > much casue I was too tired at night. I also was able to get weather
> > reports
> > with it once in a while (a nice feature).
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Kea <keahiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have hesitated about getting a Peek because of the question of
> > > battery life. For most of the PCT, there will be no signal so
> > > presumably the Peek will keep trying to connect. With cell phones I
> > > have used, this kills the battery in no time fast. The only solution
> > > is to turn the phone off when there is no signal; but of course this
> > > does not work when typing in one's journal.
> > >
> > > So my question is: how does the peek handle no signal and how does
> > > this affect the battery life? I could find no answers in the Peek web
> > site.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kea
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/9/25 David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> I used a peek for journaling on the PCT this year with great success.
> > >> If you want to just journal, the peek is a much better option than
> > >> pocket mail. It costs and weighs less and is easier to use. Worked
> > >> great with postholer as they support email updates directly to
> > >> journals. Myself and Ice Axe used them this year and we were both
> > >> very happy with them. They are $20/month and I think you can now
> > >> find the device for about $20 also. I did go about a week without
> > >> service at times but you just save your entry and send them when
> > >> service is available.
> > >> I carried a spare battery and only used it once (this could have been
> > >> avoided too).
> > >> I would not carry the spare battery again as it wasn't necessary.
> > >> The keyboard is bigger than most phones and that made a big
> > >> difference for me as I had a phone available to use but could never
> > >> get comfortable using the too small keypad.
> > >>
> > >> Day-late
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Ruckman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> in reference to the pocketmail. i know what you mean about having so
> > >> many devices. pocketmail was a good thing to have when i did the AT
> > >> in 03, but nowadays theres a lighter option that i saw another hiker
> > >> using that he raved about called the PEEK 2 ( think thats what it was
> > >> called).
> > >> the device was about $60, and $20 a month for service. thats all its
> > >> used for is writing, sending and receiving emails and i think you may
> > >> be able to directly send it to trailjournals. but the guy who had it
> > >> was on postholer and he could directly send it to that. you dont need
> > >> a phone to send the messages either. it just sends them when it gets
> > >> a signal.
> > >> wish i had used one this year on the PCT. live and learn.
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> Pct-l at backcountry.net
> > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> > >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:35:26 -0700
> From: "Janet Grossman" <janetgr at cableone.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] the hazards of hiking alone
> To: <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I went backpacking by myself for just one night in 1977 when I was 19 and recently-diagnosed with Type I diabetes. I was kind of scared and got blisters on my feet, was mostly impressed with my mom for dropping me off for this solo venture. At 21 I did the whole AT with my then-boyfriend, who was enough faster than me that we mostly hiked separately and just had meals and spent the nights together. Later on, I spent 7 years with a man who called himself a backpacker and had equipment, but could never get his act together to actually go on a backpacking trip. When I decided to thru-hike the PCT in 2007, I found a hiking partner through this list, since my life partner of the past 15 years is NOT a hiker. We started out together and proved very compatible. However, I then got such bad blisters that I got off the trail for 2 weeks, so when I returned to the trail, it was alone. I discovered on my first day out how wonderful it felt to be hiking alone. I was unable to complete th
> e thru-hike due to continued serious blister problems, so have been section hiking since then, all of it by myself. I've certainly made mistakes, could easily have killed myself getting over Mt. Baden Powell in the snow in May, 2008, but overall have been having a great time of it. My hiking partner from 2007 may join me for a section next year, but whether he does or not, I'll be out there again. Yes, plenty of people think I shouldn't be doing this alone because I'm female, because I'm diabetic, because there are wild animals out there. I refuse to stay home because of these or any other reasons, and for each of my section hikes thus far have gone days without encountering other people, have been quite comfortable that way. On my 136-mile hike ending 9/19, I encountered 2 men on an ORV on my 4th day, and no other people the whole time. I also had no cell phone coverage the entire time, so was glad these 2 men were willing to call my partner and let him know I was ok. I'm s
> till learning, am still quite willing to hike with others if it works out, but just love the freedom of doing everything at my own pace and being solely responsible for whatever goes right or wrong on my hike. And I loved my solo encounters with a bear, a grey fox, and a rattlesnake a week and a half ago.
> Janet
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:35:14 +1300
> From: Kea <keahiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Peek
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I see quite a few of you are using Peeks. Since the battery only lasts a
> week, I guess you are carrying the charger with you and charging at every
> town. What is the weight of the charger? I've looked at the Peek website
> but it is of no help; remarkably useless in fact.
> 
> Kea
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:03:14 +1000
> From: Mountaingoat Fraser <mistermountaingoat at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The hazards of hiking alone
> To: Tom Bache <tbache at san.rr.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Some good points here, Tom.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Tom Bache <tbache at san.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm a section hiker who has hiked 2000 PCT miles over the past 5 years. I
> > hiked with other people early on, but quickly learned that it is much
> > better
> > to hike alone. Some of the benefits are obvious -- no need to coordinate
> > schedules or to compromise on hiking pace and style. But the biggest
> > benefit came as a surprise and delight. Stated simply, other people are a
> > distraction, and the solo experience is much deeper and more intense. When
> > alone, I hear, see, and smell elements of the natural world that would go
> > unnoticed in the presence of input from other human beings. This includes
> > companions, of course, but it extends to all human-created input. The
> > trail
> > itself is a distraction from this perspective, but that's unavoidable if
> > the
> > objective is to hike the PCT! Digressing a moment, I encountered many
> > miles
> > of snow-covered trail in Oregon early this summer, and noticed that the
> > intensity does go up when traveling with no signs of human activity --
> > interesting, but a very slow way to cover 2650 miles.
> >
> > Almost everybody who hears about my solo hiking trips seems to think it is
> > a
> > dangerous thing to do. I usually respond that the hikes are orders of
> > magnitude less dangerous than the long drives I take to get to and from the
> > trail. I sometimes point out that the odds of injury inflicted by nature
> > are millions of times less likely than the odds of injury inflicted by
> > other
> > human beings, so it is safer on the PCT than in most cities. In any case,
> > I
> > have never felt any danger on the PCT, and I suspect that is true for most
> > hikers.
> >
> > Tom Bache
> > San Diego
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:01:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] The hazards of hiking alone
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > >
> > > For everything we do and every choice we make, there's always a
> > > trade-off--always. Whether and how to hike is no different. My last
> > three
> > > hikes were done solo mainly because everyone who was interested in
> > joining me
> > > had to bail for one reason or another and I was too stubborn to just stay
> > > home, despite my wife's wishes. The first of these ended prematurely
> > when
> > > blisters prompted me to make a strategic withdrawal--on this trip, I only
> > saw
> > > one person in 3 days. On the second, I had no mishaps at all (aside from
> > some
> > > relatively short-lived bad weather on Mt. Hood) and met a lot of other
> > people
> > > on the trail, a few of whom were also out there by themselves. On the
> > third,
> > > I encountered a cougar, a bear, a rattlesnake and then subsequently
> > crashed
> > > the car on the way home--I saw a few people the first two days, but no
> > one the
> > > rest of the time. Good times, good times.... Anyway, my wife,
> > understandably
> > > insists I don't hike alone. In fact, most people to
> > > whom I talk about hiking -- section or through -- say, "Oh, you're not
> > going
> > > alone, are you?"
> > > After reading this list and hiking, I've come to conclusion that hiking
> > by
> > > one's self isn't really any more dangerous than doing anything else by
> > one's
> > > self. I'd be interested in hearing about y'all's attempts -- successful
> > or
> > > not -- to convince others of this. I fear I'll miss out on some great
> > hiking
> > > because I fail -- through my own fault or not -- to secure hiking
> > companions.
> > >
> > > -Nathan Miller
> > > Newberg, OR
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> And That's All the Goat Wrote
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:28:53 -0700
> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking Alone
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <f6c4bbd440e8.4ac1d355 at gci.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I have been backpacking since 1971 and the times I have backpacked with a companion were very rare. I have had no problems whatsoever out in the woods. The only problem has come from hitchhiking--once 35 years ago being picked up by creepy yahoos who drove around on dirt roads refusing to take me where I needed to go to pick up the trail. They finally relented when I made it clear I wanted no part of partying with them.
> 
> I have enjoyed hiking alone--keeping my own pace. I now have my own vehicle and friends who support me in shuttles. I have always been conservative in my risk taking. I stay in very good shape, so have avoided physical mishaps like sprained ankles. I have worked for the park service and forest service on search and rescues so have seen the stupid things people do when outside.
> 
> I try to stay mindfull of every step when hiking--that is the key to avoiding injury. Where you put your feet down to avoid loose rocks, avoiding poison oak on the side of the trail, etc.
> 
> I would not stay home because there were no hiking companions--I believe this is just another scare tactic used by our society to try to keep people in line and domesticated in controllable situations like their homes and offices.
> 
> --Fireweed
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:46:23 -0700
> From: "Susan Virnig" <susan at newstories.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The hazards of hiking alone
> To: <enyapjr at comcast.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <EDD620A80AA3497AB361FEA33D5DA4DC at SusanLaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Nathan and I have been corresponding via email about this topic, but reading
> these quotes brought back my experience in the late '70s when, as a young
> woman in her 20s, I started section hiking the PCT in WA state alone.
> 
> My first section was a 30-mile solo from Hart's Pass to Rainy Pass. My
> second section, a couple weeks later, was a 100 mile solo south from Rainy
> Pass.
> 
> Nathan, if you're getting social pressure not to hike alone, imagine what it
> was like 30 years ago for a young woman! I had to REPEATEDLY explain to
> folks that I felt much more danger from human beings than from the natural
> world. But eventually I just ignored them. Most people know nothing about
> long distance backpacking and that's ok.
> 
> One of those years, on another 45 mile solo further south in WA -- remember,
> back in those days our packs were a lot heavier and the mileage was much
> lower -- I ran into a woman who thought she might be the first woman to solo
> the entire PCT in one season. Imagine the flak she got! But in our brief
> conversation we shared how committed we were to giving ourselves the
> glorious experience of hiking this magnificent trail alone.
> 
> Just as an example, back in '77 (by cracky!) I weighed 110 pounds and my
> pack for that 100 mile solo was 55 pounds. Amazing, isn't it? No wonder I
> averaged 10 miles/day... By a couple years later, I had lightened my pack a
> bit (to about 45) and picked up my average to 15-17 miles/day.
> 
> Just wanted to add my experience into the general discussion.
> 
> Happy hiking!
> --Susan from Spokane
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net [mailto:enyapjr at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] The hazards of hiking alone (2nd try, sorry!)
> 
> Sorry! Don't know why the bad formatting came
> through!!!......................
> 
> 
> FWIW, a few related quotes - some directly, others indirectly...
> 
> "Never did I think so much, exist so vividly, and experience so much, never
> have I been so much myself - if I may use that expression - as in journeys I
> have taken alone and on foot." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> 
> "The man who goes alone can start today; but he that travels with another
> must wait till that other is ready, and it may be a long time before they
> get off." - Thoreau
> 
> "Now, to be properly enjoyed, a walking tour should be gone upon
> alone....because freedom is of the essence." - Robert Louis Stevenson
> 
> "I hike alone sometimes. It's during these solo hikes that the number of
> arrogant and ignorant people I have to deal with is reduced to one." -
> unknown (Jack Hampson?)
> 
> "Whosoever is delighted in solitude is either a wild beast or a god." - Sir
> Francis Bacon
> 
> "That so few now dare to be eccentric marks the chief danger of our time."
> - John Stuart Mill
> 
> "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear." -
> Mark Twain
> 
> "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to
> what lies within us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> 
> "If you wait for the perfect moment when all is safe and assured, it may
> never arrive. Mountains will not be climbed, races won, or lasting
> happiness achieved." - Maurice Chevalier
> 
> Find a copy of "The Complete Walker" by Colin Fletcher - he's the one that
> started me solo hiking without feeling socially 'guilty' about it...
> 
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
> 
> 
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