[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 136
canoeman at qnet.com
canoeman at qnet.com
Fri Jan 29 21:13:30 CST 2010
Ya I dont think your getting the gist of my post.
A jeep is a licecneced highway vehicle that is used of road, it is not a ohv
Dirt bikes quads, mules these are ohv's
ohv means not registered to go on highways.
this should clear this point up.
DIRT BIKES = OHV
JEEPS ARE SUV'S OR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, not ohv,s
canoeman
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> 1. Bounce bucket (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
> 2. Re: you are in the minority of ohv (Bill Burge)
> 3. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (Bill Burge)
> 4. A way to defend against bears (Brick Robbins)
> 5. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (dsaufley)
> 6. Re: The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup (Bill Burge)
> 7. Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Austin Williams)
> 8. Re: Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Steve McAllister)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:10:20 -0800
> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bounce bucket
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >In the future I will use USPS Flat-Rate Priority boxes containing only the
> >things I can't find on the trail (hiking socks, maps and guides,
> electronics
> >chargers, etc.)... and only bounce it to every 4th town or so.
>
> Flat Rate boxes may cost more to mail then sending it regular priority
> mail if you are only bouncing it a short distance (say a week or two
> ahead). I used the largest Priority Mail Box (non-flat rate) and it was
> cheaper to mail forward then the the smaller Large Sizse Flat Rate Box.
>
> -Miner
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:18:47 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] you are in the minority of ohv
> To: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8D98C052-CE10-470E-9EAB-AFE9BB07EAA6 at burge.com>
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>
> Sorry to hear that, and I'm not surprised ('cause, apparently, I'm in
> the minority).
>
> BUT, when we're out with the Jeep, we go slow around kids and dogs
> (you never know when one you DON'T see is gonna pop out from
> somewhere!), slow around horses (while many are very well behaved that
> DO have a mind of there own and will sometimes do the unexpected when
> surprised), watch out for bikers, and always keep an eye out for hikers.
>
> I know that part of it is that I have gone on trail: (but not all at
> the same time!) with kids, on horseback, on foot, on mountain bike, on
> motorcycle, on ATV, and on snowshoe.
>
> Since I was raised in the desert, I know that if it's hot - stop and
> make sure the "hiker" you see isn't somebody who broke down a ways
> back. Make sure everyone has enough water (I carry about 8 gallons in
> my Jeep on a trail run, it's good for so many things). No matter what
> the mode of transportation someone is using, if they looks distressed
> or even unhappy - stop and say "everything all right here?"
>
> I pulled people who were stuck (and given a little advice afterwords -
> nothing in life is "free" ;-) I've lent tools. I've given rides to
> town. And I've given out a bunch of water.
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Austin Williams wrote:
>
> > Other than destroying the land we all love to hike in, I can also
> > say that
> > I've never met an OHVer that was anything close to kind or friendly
> > to me as
> > a hiker - at least not out on the trail. As if I'm the "gov'mt
> > liber'l comy
> > tryin'a take-way ther rites".
> >
> > Every other human - even the serious hunter-types - will wave back
> > when I
> > wave to them. These OHVers are the kind of people I go to the
> > backcountry
> > to get away from.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:24:57 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Originally, I didn't feel grouped. I was just trying to make that
> point. OK, that kinda went into the weeds! ;-)
>
> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying hikers. It
> was crazy loads of fun.
>
> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep. :-D (Besides, the Subaru was
> better at it and a smoother ride! ;-)
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>
> > For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
> > postings
> > and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
> > OHV people
> > I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly and
> > don't
> > have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't really
> > an
> > issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior and
> > attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to paint
> > you with
> > the same brush. I will say however, on a different level I never have
> > understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to derive
> > pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
> > "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
> > my son.
> > I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
> > smelly,
> > nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the subtler
> > sensory pleasures in nature.
> >
> > But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla. You're still the
> > best darn
> > hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of Bill Burge
> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
> > To: PCT list
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
> >
> >
> > OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type of
> > OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
> > general - right?
> >
> > I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't stick
> > to the trail and DO damage land. Some hikers litter.
> >
> > Not all of either group.
> >
> > Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle. No, I don't drive on hiking trails.
> > Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work. When I take
> > the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who left it
> > there.
> >
> > BillB
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
> >
> >>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV people.
> >>> Somehow
> >>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get it.
> >>
> >> They like it.
> >>
> >> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
> >> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:34:58 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] A way to defend against bears
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> A little lighter in tone than the ohv video
>
> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/27/funny-pictures-video-bear-vs-kitteh/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:42:27 -0800
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
> To: "'Bill Burge'" <bill at burge.com>, "'PCT list'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001b01caa145$1970d200$4c527600$@com>
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>
> You have your feet firmly planted in two worlds! BTW, they also used to
> drive the Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching
> Suburban and Ford F350 king-cab pickup we used to lend them! Looking
> forward to another great season. Hey, Helen's mom goes to my dentist and
> dear friend, Clare Macaulay.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM
> To: PCT list
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
>
>
> Originally, I didn't feel grouped. I was just trying to make that
> point. OK, that kinda went into the weeds! ;-)
>
> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying hikers. It
> was crazy loads of fun.
>
> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep. :-D (Besides, the Subaru was
> better at it and a smoother ride! ;-)
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>
> > For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
> > postings
> > and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
> > OHV people
> > I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly and
> > don't
> > have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't really
> > an
> > issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior and
> > attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to paint
> > you with
> > the same brush. I will say however, on a different level I never have
> > understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to derive
> > pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
> > "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
> > my son.
> > I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
> > smelly,
> > nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the subtler
> > sensory pleasures in nature.
> >
> > But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla. You're still the
> > best darn
> > hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of Bill Burge
> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
> > To: PCT list
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
> >
> >
> > OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type of
> > OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
> > general - right?
> >
> > I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't stick
> > to the trail and DO damage land. Some hikers litter.
> >
> > Not all of either group.
> >
> > Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle. No, I don't drive on hiking trails.
> > Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work. When I take
> > the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who left it
> > there.
> >
> > BillB
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
> >
> >>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV people.
> >>> Somehow
> >>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get it.
> >>
> >> They like it.
> >>
> >> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
> >> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:43:14 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> It IS beautiful! I hear what you are saying about competing with
> existing angels.
>
> My GF and I were day hiking a portion of the trail through Vasquez
> Rocks park and saw this house that was right next to the trail and
> thought, this would be awesome to live right on the trail and host
> hikers.
>
> Then we realized that no one would stay with US unless Donna/
> HikerHeaven was FULL. Most of the time what we'd hear is "can you
> tell me how much further it is to Hiker Heaven?"
>
> You just can't compete with some things and I wouldn't even want to.
> I've seen Hiker Heaven in full swing and it's awesome. It's even more
> impressive when you see it perpendicular to the hiker view.
>
> The hiker comes in and is there for "two nearo's and a zero" and they
> get one view. But we got to see it over the course of a few weeks (we
> live about 15 mins away) and it's very different and even MORE
> impressive. Think of it as looking onto a track and seeing someone do
> a 100 meter sprint - flat out diving across the finish. Then imagine
> what it would be like to stop and see that the same runner had done
> that same diving finish, flat out sprint, 10 times in a row already
> and was going on to do 10 more. Then imagine how you'd feel. We need
> to invent a Gold Medal for Donna! I can't even dream of how she does
> it.
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com wrote:
>
> > You'd end up competing with Firefly for hiker trash. It's really
> > close to her house. You'd compete with Drakesbad, too. I don't think
> > anybody could compete with either of those two!
> >
> > Last summer while hiking the PCT out of Ashland near Dead Indian Rd.
> > there was a really nice property for sale. They even put the listing
> > information out on the trail.
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:54 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/ye2k86u
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:45:37 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi,
>
> I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic bags. I
> found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3 lbs and
> costs under $80. It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
>
>
<http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr>Here's
> the
>
link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y>
>
> I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive. Hard to beat
> that without switching to down.
>
> --
> Austin Williams
> PlanYourHike.com
>
> "The mountains are calling and I must go." -John Muir
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:57:36 -0500
> From: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I wouldn't trust the temp. rating and I'll bet it weighs more than they
> claim.
>
> stevie
>
> ############
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Austin Williams
> <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic bags. ?I
> > found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3 lbs and
> > costs under $80. ?It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
> >
> >
>
<http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr>Here's
> > the
>
link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y>
> >
> > I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive. ?Hard to
> beat
> > that without switching to down.
> >
> > --
> > Austin Williams
> > PlanYourHike.com
> >
> > "The mountains are calling and I must go." ? -John Muir
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>
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> -- Robert Pante, fashion consultant
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