[pct-l] Hopeful hiker
Graeme Symons
numbat1 at iinet.net.au
Tue Nov 9 23:49:51 CST 2010
Hi PCT'ers
I intend visiting the US next year and would like to hike parts of the PCT.
I am not attempting a thru walk but rather my idea is to 'cherry pick' a few
Trail areas, one or more in each of the three Pacific States. I expect I
would walk for up to 3 or 4 days at any location and perhaps day walk at
others.
I'm emailing because I would appreciate comment about how feasible this idea
is and what parts of the Trail to access in each of the States.
Also, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks they would
like to share the journey, or part of the journey, as I prefer walking with
a companion or as part of a group.
I'm an experienced walker, having walked in many different countries
although I have not completed any long walks. I'm in my early sixties, live
in Western Australia and am retired so my time is pretty flexible, but I had
in mind to arrive in America around mid May to June.
I'd appreciate any comment
regards Graeme
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> 1. Re: Food (Edward Anderson)
> 2. Re: Wilderness Press Guides going out of print - Note from
> Jeff Schaffer (Halfmile)
> 3. Re: Food (Ron Dye)
> 4. Re: COLD FOOD (Shawn Hudson)
> 5. Re: COLD FOOD (giniajim)
> 6. Re: COLD FOOD (giniajim)
> 7. if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors (eckert)
> 8. Vintage JMT Guide Book by Starr (Edward Anderson)
> 9. Re: Jacket questions? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 10. Jacket questions? (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
> 11. Re: Jacket questions? (David Thibault)
> 12. Re: Jacket questions? (Gary Schenk)
> 13. ridebride (greg jacobs)
> 14. Women's packs (Lara Salonen)
> 15. My post (Lara Salonen)
> 16. Re: My post (Brick Robbins)
> 17. Re: Women's packs (John Abela)
> 18. Women's packs (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 19. Big Gear Gathering (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 20. Re: Jacket questions? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 21. Re: Women's packs (Bill Burge)
> 22. Re: if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
> (Edward Anderson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:33:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
> To: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <793958.58650.qm at web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> Brandon,
> I always bring along a variety of non-perishable foods that don't require
> cooking,?for lunches ( I usually ate two lunches each day )?I carry some
> of
> my?lunch foods?in my knapsack (since I rode a horse, I always wore a
> knapsack
> containing what I would need to survive if I was ever separated from my
> horse).
> ?Here is the kinds of foods that I brought while riding most of the trail
> from
> border to border:
>
> Energy bars - my favorite is the?Nature Valley?bar Sweet and Salty Nut.
> That bar
> is. to me the tastiest, and is also the highest that I have found in
> calories/ounce - 142/ounce. On a warm day there will be some melting (but
> not
> nearly as bad as Snickers)?That is not a big problem - just lick it off
> the
> inside of the wrapper. I also bring Snickers Almond (131 C/ounce) Nature
> Valley
> Trail Mix (117C/O) and other bars for both calories and protein.
>
> Nuts:? A wide?variety of nuts. I especially like walnuts, and they are
> second in
> calories?only?to the more expensive macadamia nuts (196C/O vs 199C/O).
> Planters
> Dry Roasted Peanuts?with Sea Salt are delicious, have good?calories
> (160C/O) and
> are a good source of? salt.?Also in the nut category, I often brought
> along
> peanut butter/tortilla?rolled sandwiches.
>
>
> Cheese:? I bring lots of Baby Bell cheeses in all three flavors. Be sure
> to
> store them somewhere in your pack where they won't become crushed. I have
> never
> had them spoil without refrigeration?unless they have been crushed. Then
> mold
> will begin to form along the cracks in the wax containment seal.?If this
> happened I just trimmed off the mold.?I always purchase all of my food
> before
> beginning my rides and then resupply myself ( by driving ahead and
> caching ).
>
>
> Dehydrated fruit and Beef Jerky:? I brought a variety of dried fruits and
> a
> small amount of jerky. ?
>
> Drink:? I love Tang as a cold drink.
>
> Have a great hike,
>
> MendoRider?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:46:16 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Food
>
> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on fuel
> and
> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
> just
> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals. I
> will
> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
> or
> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
> only eat
>
> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>
>
> ? ? ?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:18:06 -0800
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Guides going out of print - Note
> from Jeff Schaffer
> To: dofdear at cox.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Jeffrey Schaffer has commented on pctnews.com correcting his original
> statement. He seems to have some doubts if the PCT Guidebooks can be
> updated however.
>
> http://www.pctnews.com/2010/wilderness-press-is-defunct-19/
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:47 AM, <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
>> Dear PCT-L,
>>
>> I have spoken to the management at WP and they are not defunct nor are
>> there plans to go out of business any time soon. ?Essentially the rumors
>> are unfounded. ?The PCT Guidebooks, according to the individual I spoke
>> with, will be available into the future.
>>
>> So, how about those apples?
>>
>> dofdear aka Thumper
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:47:46 -0600
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
> To: "'dicentra'" <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>, "'Brandon Reed'"
> <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <002901cb7f86$334bc520$99e34f60$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Cold oatmeal is great! Especially in Oregon and Washington when you can
> add
> berries!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of dicentra
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: Brandon Reed
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
>
> Food? Did someone say FOOD? ;)
>
> Just about anything that can be done hot can also be done?cold... If you
> don't
> mind eating cold oatmeal (for example).? There are no rules.
>
> ~Dicentra
> ?
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:46:16 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Food
>
> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on fuel
> and
> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
> just
>
> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals. I
> will
> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
> or
>
> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
> only
> eat
>
> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>
>
> ? ? ?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:54:16 +0900
> From: Shawn Hudson <shizaquawn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>>
>> While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched to
> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
> that
> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
> notice
> a difference in the weight.
>
> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods, and
> my
> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
> flour
> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>
> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>
> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ... plus
> it
> comes in a resealable pouch)
> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons of
> different flavors)
> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things for
> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding a
> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and they're
> usually single-serving.
> - bacon bits
> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness for
> only God knows how long)
> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
> - SPAM
> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>
> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>
> - PopTarts
> - CLIF Bars
> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>
> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>
> - Voodoo
>
>
>> Brandon Reed wrote:
>> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
>> fuel
>> and
>> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
>> just
>> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals.
>> I
>> will
>> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
>> or
>> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
>> only eat
>> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:45 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <67DD330839B1404EB79DCC70174655C8 at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'm intrigued with the idea of cold food. But I do like a cup of coffee
> or hot chocolate or instant soup. I'm thinking that the simplest,
> lightest and reliable heating option might the Esbit heat tabs. Any
> thoughts about this?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shawn Hudson
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>
>
> >
> > While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched to
> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
> that
> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
> notice
> a difference in the weight.
>
> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods, and
> my
> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
> flour
> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>
> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>
> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ... plus
> it
> comes in a resealable pouch)
> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons
> of
> different flavors)
> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things for
> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding a
> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and they're
> usually single-serving.
> - bacon bits
> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness for
> only God knows how long)
> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
> - SPAM
> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>
> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>
> - PopTarts
> - CLIF Bars
> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>
> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>
> - Voodoo
>
>
> > Brandon Reed wrote:
> > I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
> fuel
> > and
> > stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
> > just
> > being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot
> meals. I
> > will
> > mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any
> suggestions
> > or
> > sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
> > only eat
> > tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:19:20 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
> To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thanks for the great tip. How can you tell that they're fresh? Are there
> expiration dates on them?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Dye
> To: 'giniajim'
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>
>
> Just make sure the tablets are fresh. I picked up a bunch at a surplus
> store and couldn't get them to light even when I poured alcohol over them
> and lighted it. (But, I sure saved some money buying that cheap "old"
> stuff). Other reports I have heard have been great - just make sure
> they're
> fresh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of giniajim
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:11 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>
> I'm intrigued with the idea of cold food. But I do like a cup of coffee
> or
> hot chocolate or instant soup. I'm thinking that the simplest, lightest
> and
> reliable heating option might the Esbit heat tabs. Any thoughts about
> this?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shawn Hudson
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>
>
> >
> > While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched
> to
> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
> that
> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
> notice
> a difference in the weight.
>
> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods,
> and
> my
> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
> flour
> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>
> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>
> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ...
> plus
> it
> comes in a resealable pouch)
> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons
> of
> different flavors)
> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things
> for
> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding
> a
> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and
> they're
> usually single-serving.
> - bacon bits
> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness
> for
> only God knows how long)
> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
> - SPAM
> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>
> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>
> - PopTarts
> - CLIF Bars
> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>
> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>
> - Voodoo
>
>
> > Brandon Reed wrote:
> > I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
> fuel
> > and
> > stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and
> generally
> > just
> > being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot
> meals.
> I
> > will
> > mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any
> suggestions
> > or
> > sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I
> can
> > only eat
> > tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:53:36 -0800
> From: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> there's a discussion/vote section I had not yet seen
> http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/0/2076B31EB980368E8625775E00795FAC?OpenDocument
>
> "Considering wheeled recreation such as OHV and Mountain Bikes are the
> most popular forms of recreation, then the best way to accomplish the
> goal of encouraging people to enjoy the backcountry and to preserve
> access would be to provide more places where people can enjoy wheeled
> vehicle recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should remove support for the
> designation of Wilderness Areas and Monuments as both these land
> designations discourage or prohibit wheeled recreation and would
> therefore not be in keeping with the guiding principle of encouraging
> outdoor recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should support opening more
> trails to all forms of wheeled recreation so the public will have
> greater access to enjoy the Great American Outdoors."
>
>
> Off Road Vehicle and Mountain Biking Most Popular Forms of Recreation
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:05:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Vintage JMT Guide Book by Starr
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <329875.24949.qm at web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I still have this tattered old?guide book that I bought in 1953. It is:
> "Guide
> to the John Muir Trail and the High Sierra Region" by Walter A Starr, Jr.
> It was
> first published in 1934, a year after Starr's death.?Starr was lost while
> climbing in the Minarets An extensive search followed. His body was
> finally
> found by Norman Clyde My copy was published by the Sierra Club in 1953. It
> measures 5" x 7.5" x 3/8' thick?and weighs just over 5 ounces. It is the
> only
> guidebook I used during my early wanderings in the Sierra.
>
> Do any old-timers on this list remember this guidebook?
>
> MendoRider
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:41 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <8F8634BE-5208-42E0-B47D-23F8E4AC5547 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Somebody should post this every day until the start of the next thru-
> hiking season:
>
> The desert is cold! You need jackets, sleeping bags, rain gear,
> possibly some snow gear, the works! It is cold.
>
> So many people believe it's all desert, all tumbleweeds and cactus
> from Mexico to Kennedy Meadows. Hardly the case. Some people believe
> that if it is desert, it's hot. There's no humidity so as hot as it
> might get during the day it can get equally/inversely as cold at
> night. It can get cold during the day, too. I froze under the
> Cottonwood bridge on Aqueduct day.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:17:06 -0800
> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8A5AB9B5444743B8B264565BED8EB234 at SeanDeskTop>
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>
> The coldest temperature that I had before Washington was the day after
> Wrightwood when the high was 42F most of the day as the trail paralleled
> Hwy2. So much for hot and sunny in SoCal. For the entire trail, I
> carried a Montbell Ex.Light Down Jacket that weighed 6.4oz in size L. It
> was great to wear around camp as there were many nights below freezing and
> it made for a soft pillow at night. I couldn't wear it for hiking much.
> The longest I kept it on when starting out in the early morning was about
> 30minutes as by then my body was fulling warmed up and it was starting to
> get too hot to keep on. Normally just a baselayer under my shirt and my
> rain jacket was fine for most early morning/night hiking except for the
> last 4 days on the trail when I finished up with snow. I would carry the
> down jacket again as it was extra insurance incase I was in a major storm;
> especially for sleeping at night as it would allow my sleeping bag temp
> range to be extended down lower. Someone
> who is more cold blooded then I would probably want some extra layers
> compared to me as I tend to stay warmer then most as long as I'm eating
> well.
>
> -Miner
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at
> http://www.pct2009.lifesadventures.net/Journal.php
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:24:20 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I prefer down for the better weight to warmth ratio. Of course you pay
> more
> for down. I believe most PCT thrus carry a down jacket or vest fro the a
> fore mentioned reason.
>
> Obviously you have not been in So. Cal in the spring. Yes Yes Yes, bring
> the jacket. Every year it is kind of funny to see some peoples reaction
> to
> the cold So. Cal Weather during kick off (Is that ice on my tent?).
>
> Who knows maybe this year it will actually be warm one night?
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>> Brandon Wrote:
>>
>
>
>> Should I bring a fleece or?down jacket for a thru-hike on the PCT? Also,
>> should
>> I start the hike with a jacket or have it mailed to me along the way??
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:32:13 -0800
> From: Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On 11/8/2010 6:24 PM, David Thibault wrote:
>> Obviously you have not been in So. Cal in the spring. Yes Yes Yes, bring
>> the jacket. Every year it is kind of funny to see some peoples reaction
>> to
>> the cold So. Cal Weather during kick off (Is that ice on my tent?).
>
> When I moved to Southern California many years ago I had the same
> misconceptions. Folks back east come out here expecting to start in the
> desert. Well, it's not desert, very little of the trail is in desert.
> And even if it was, some of the coldest days and nights of my life have
> been in the desert!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:06:00 -0800
> From: greg jacobs <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ridebride
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> where are you ridebride i dont see your posts??
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:59:19 -0800
> From: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Women's packs
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:09:11 -0800
> From: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] My post
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> My freaking posts wont show up! :(
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:34:02 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] My post
> To: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Well, Lara:
>
> If you had read the welcome email you got when you subscribed, you
> would have seen this:
>
> =====
> A a few things that may or may not interest you
> 1 - Spammers have figured out how to sign up for the list, so all new
> members are moderated until they have posted at least one PCT related
> post. This means if you are new to the list, your first post may take
> a while to show up, especially if the admin is out hiking.
> ====
>
> It took me a whole 1:20 approve your post. Aren't we a bit impatient....
> :-)
>
> Brick Robbins,
> PCT-L Admin
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> ?My freaking posts wont show up! :(
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:36:52 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Women's packs
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> Hey Lara,
>
> Somebody mentioned at www.hammockforums.net earlier today (
> http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24435 ) that ULA has
> just released some shoulder straps designed for women. So that pretty much
> puts one of the best packs out there even more viable for the ladies out
> there! I do not see it listed at their website (
> http://www.ula-equipment.com/packoverview.asp ) yet but maybe you could
> call
> them.
>
> ~Abela
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
>> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:58:43 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Women's packs
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: larasalonen at gmail.com
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> Query from Lara:
>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman.
>> Any ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
>
> Response from John Abela:
>>> ... ULA has just released some shoulder straps designed for women.
>>> So that pretty much puts one of the best packs out there even more
>>> viable for
> the ladies out there!
>>> I do not see it listed at their website... yet but maybe you could call
>>> them.
>
> Sorry, Lara, I'm not a "chick", but...
> ULA has announced the new female specific straps on their Facebook page:
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Logan-UT/Ultralight-Adventure-Equipment/120681891315910>...
> ULA is perhaps the most used & popular pack brand on a PCT thru - and most
> owners love them!
>
> And if you're going to attempt a PCT thru-hike in 2012, you might want to
> work on that
> 'patience' issue, too... :-o ;-)
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:52:29 -0500
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Big Gear Gathering
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> FYI: Manyon Ed, Crash and I will meet Friday, November 12 at 1100 at Tom's
> Farm just off I15 between LA and San Diego. We will meet Warner Springs
> Monty to give him some excess gear for his backpacking classes and those
> who cannot afford gear. If you want to join in, just show up.
>
> I thank you.
>
> Your obedient servant.
>
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
> "To us you are all illegal aliens." --- Sitting Bull
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:08:49 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Brandon,
>
> My thoughts regarding jackets can be found at:
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874
>
> with further discussion at:
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265651
>
>
>
> I?ll second Diane?s comments that the south can be cold in April. On
> several trips, the coldest I became was at the Kick-Off at Lake Morena
> while
> watching the evening outdoor programs. While hiking I don?t sit around in
> the evening cold; I crawl in the sack and get some sleep. I won?t hike
> with
> extra gear weight just to satisfy one or two cool evenings.
>
>
>
> For 80% of the PCT one of the fine, ultra-lite down jackets is great, but
> they are mostly overkill, and they are ruinously expensive. I have many
> down jackets of various weights, but not one of the ultra-lites. I?ve
> intended to buy one many times, but fleece ? while being less warm ? is
> warm
> enough, and several hundred dollars less expensive. Plus, living as I do
> in
> the Pacific NW, I have lots of direct experience with both down jackets
> and
> fleece jackets under rain gear. Perspiration will accumulate, but fleece
> will insulate while damp/wet but down does so poorly. Fleece will dry
> quickly and completely while being worn, but down is reluctant to dry and
> will clump and loose efficiency as it does. In my opinion, fleece wins
> for
> anything more than about 1 mile of hiking in the rain.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>> Somebody should post this every day until the start of the next thru-
>> hiking season:
>>
>> The desert is cold! You need jackets, sleeping bags, rain gear,
>> possibly some snow gear, the works! It is cold.
>>
>> So many people believe it's all desert, all tumbleweeds and cactus
>> from Mexico to Kennedy Meadows. Hardly the case. Some people believe
>> that if it is desert, it's hot. There's no humidity so as hot as it
>> might get during the day it can get equally/inversely as cold at
>> night. It can get cold during the day, too. I froze under the
>> Cottonwood bridge on Aqueduct day.
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:51:20 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Women's packs
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Even without that, my girlfriend loves her ULA.
>
> The important thing is to get it properly fit.
>
> When we went to the Zero Day, we had the owner fit us. He said that where
> most people go wrong is that they think because it for a woman, it needs a
> smaller size pack. When in reality, a 5'8" woman can have a longer
> spine/torso pack dimension than a 6' male.
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 PM, John Abela wrote:
>
>> Hey Lara,
>>
>> Somebody mentioned at www.hammockforums.net earlier today (
>> http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24435 ) that ULA has
>> just released some shoulder straps designed for women. So that pretty
>> much
>> puts one of the best packs out there even more viable for the ladies out
>> there! I do not see it listed at their website (
>> http://www.ula-equipment.com/packoverview.asp ) yet but maybe you could
>> call
>> them.
>>
>> ~Abela
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
>>> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
> To: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Eckert,
> Thanks for posting that link. EVERYONE ON THIS LIST should read it (see
> eckert's
> post on 11-8-10)?and be aware that there will be a big push from the
> off-roaders
> to influence the government to open up Wilderness Areas and the PCT?to
> their
> use.? Realize that they greatly outnumber hikers and equestrians and that
> their
> numbers are growing. We should all vote on that "America's Great Outdoors"
> forum
> and also write our representatives.
>
> MendoRider
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 4:53:36 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
>
> there's a discussion/vote section I had not yet seen
> http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/0/2076B31EB980368E8625775E00795FAC?OpenDocument
>
>
> "Considering wheeled recreation such as OHV and Mountain Bikes are the
> most popular forms of recreation, then the best way to accomplish the
> goal of encouraging people to enjoy the backcountry and to preserve
> access would be to provide more places where people can enjoy wheeled
> vehicle recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should remove support for the
> designation of Wilderness Areas and Monuments as both these land
> designations discourage or prohibit wheeled recreation and would
> therefore not be in keeping with the guiding principle of encouraging
> outdoor recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should support opening more
> trails to all forms of wheeled recreation so the public will have
> greater access to enjoy the Great American Outdoors."
>
>
> ? ? Off Road Vehicle and Mountain Biking Most Popular Forms of Recreation
>
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