[pct-l] Hopeful hiker
Yoshihiro Murakami
completewalker at gmail.com
Wed Nov 10 19:05:16 CST 2010
Dear Graeme
Please search List Archives in Feb 10 in 2009. There are several
posts concerning "trail recommendations".
There are a lot of snow at High Serra in June. Then, the southern
sections of PCT are recommended. I am also a foreigner.
2010/11/10 Graeme Symons <numbat1 at iinet.net.au>:
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> Hi PCT'ers
>
> I intend visiting the US next year and would like to hike parts of the PCT.
> I am not attempting a thru walk but rather my idea is to 'cherry pick' a few
> Trail areas, one or more in each of the three Pacific States. I expect I
> would walk for up to 3 or 4 days at any location and perhaps day walk at
> others.
>
> I'm emailing because I would appreciate comment about how feasible this idea
> is and what parts of the Trail to access in each of the States.
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> Also, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks they would
> like to share the journey, or part of the journey, as I prefer walking with
> a companion or as part of a group.
>
> I'm an experienced walker, having walked in many different countries
> although I have not completed any long walks. I'm in my early sixties, live
> in Western Australia and am retired so my time is pretty flexible, but I had
> in mind to arrive in America around mid May to June.
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> I'd appreciate any comment
>
> regards Graeme
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>> 1. Re: Food (Edward Anderson)
>> 2. Re: Wilderness Press Guides going out of print - Note from
>> Jeff Schaffer (Halfmile)
>> 3. Re: Food (Ron Dye)
>> 4. Re: COLD FOOD (Shawn Hudson)
>> 5. Re: COLD FOOD (giniajim)
>> 6. Re: COLD FOOD (giniajim)
>> 7. if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors (eckert)
>> 8. Vintage JMT Guide Book by Starr (Edward Anderson)
>> 9. Re: Jacket questions? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>> 10. Jacket questions? (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
>> 11. Re: Jacket questions? (David Thibault)
>> 12. Re: Jacket questions? (Gary Schenk)
>> 13. ridebride (greg jacobs)
>> 14. Women's packs (Lara Salonen)
>> 15. My post (Lara Salonen)
>> 16. Re: My post (Brick Robbins)
>> 17. Re: Women's packs (John Abela)
>> 18. Women's packs (enyapjr at comcast.net)
>> 19. Big Gear Gathering (hiker97 at aol.com)
>> 20. Re: Jacket questions? (CHUCK CHELIN)
>> 21. Re: Women's packs (Bill Burge)
>> 22. Re: if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
>> (Edward Anderson)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:33:41 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
>> To: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <793958.58650.qm at web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Brandon,
>> I always bring along a variety of non-perishable foods that don't require
>> cooking,?for lunches ( I usually ate two lunches each day )?I carry some
>> of
>> my?lunch foods?in my knapsack (since I rode a horse, I always wore a
>> knapsack
>> containing what I would need to survive if I was ever separated from my
>> horse).
>> ?Here is the kinds of foods that I brought while riding most of the trail
>> from
>> border to border:
>>
>> Energy bars - my favorite is the?Nature Valley?bar Sweet and Salty Nut.
>> That bar
>> is. to me the tastiest, and is also the highest that I have found in
>> calories/ounce - 142/ounce. On a warm day there will be some melting (but
>> not
>> nearly as bad as Snickers)?That is not a big problem - just lick it off
>> the
>> inside of the wrapper. I also bring Snickers Almond (131 C/ounce) Nature
>> Valley
>> Trail Mix (117C/O) and other bars for both calories and protein.
>>
>> Nuts:? A wide?variety of nuts. I especially like walnuts, and they are
>> second in
>> calories?only?to the more expensive macadamia nuts (196C/O vs 199C/O).
>> Planters
>> Dry Roasted Peanuts?with Sea Salt are delicious, have good?calories
>> (160C/O) and
>> are a good source of? salt.?Also in the nut category, I often brought
>> along
>> peanut butter/tortilla?rolled sandwiches.
>>
>>
>> Cheese:? I bring lots of Baby Bell cheeses in all three flavors. Be sure
>> to
>> store them somewhere in your pack where they won't become crushed. I have
>> never
>> had them spoil without refrigeration?unless they have been crushed. Then
>> mold
>> will begin to form along the cracks in the wax containment seal.?If this
>> happened I just trimmed off the mold.?I always purchase all of my food
>> before
>> beginning my rides and then resupply myself ( by driving ahead and
>> caching ).
>>
>>
>> Dehydrated fruit and Beef Jerky:? I brought a variety of dried fruits and
>> a
>> small amount of jerky. ?
>>
>> Drink:? I love Tang as a cold drink.
>>
>> Have a great hike,
>>
>> MendoRider?
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:46:16 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Food
>>
>> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on fuel
>> and
>> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
>> just
>> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals. I
>> will
>> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
>> or
>> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
>> only eat
>>
>> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:18:06 -0800
>> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Guides going out of print - Note
>> from Jeff Schaffer
>> To: dofdear at cox.net
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>> Jeffrey Schaffer has commented on pctnews.com correcting his original
>> statement. He seems to have some doubts if the PCT Guidebooks can be
>> updated however.
>>
>> http://www.pctnews.com/2010/wilderness-press-is-defunct-19/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:47 AM, <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Dear PCT-L,
>>>
>>> I have spoken to the management at WP and they are not defunct nor are
>>> there plans to go out of business any time soon. ?Essentially the rumors
>>> are unfounded. ?The PCT Guidebooks, according to the individual I spoke
>>> with, will be available into the future.
>>>
>>> So, how about those apples?
>>>
>>> dofdear aka Thumper
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:47:46 -0600
>> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
>> To: "'dicentra'" <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>, "'Brandon Reed'"
>> <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <002901cb7f86$334bc520$99e34f60$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Cold oatmeal is great! Especially in Oregon and Washington when you can
>> add
>> berries!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of dicentra
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:46 AM
>> To: Brandon Reed
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food
>>
>> Food? Did someone say FOOD? ;)
>>
>> Just about anything that can be done hot can also be done?cold... If you
>> don't
>> mind eating cold oatmeal (for example).? There are no rules.
>>
>> ~Dicentra
>> ?
>> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
>> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Brandon Reed <brandon.reed2008 at yahoo.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:46:16 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Food
>>
>> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on fuel
>> and
>> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
>> just
>>
>> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals. I
>> will
>> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
>> or
>>
>> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
>> only
>> eat
>>
>> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:54:16 +0900
>> From: Shawn Hudson <shizaquawn at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>>>
>>> While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched to
>> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
>> that
>> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
>> notice
>> a difference in the weight.
>>
>> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods, and
>> my
>> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
>> flour
>> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>>
>> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>>
>> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ... plus
>> it
>> comes in a resealable pouch)
>> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons of
>> different flavors)
>> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things for
>> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding a
>> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and they're
>> usually single-serving.
>> - bacon bits
>> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness for
>> only God knows how long)
>> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
>> - SPAM
>> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>>
>> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>>
>> - PopTarts
>> - CLIF Bars
>> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>>
>> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>>
>> - Voodoo
>>
>>
>>> Brandon Reed wrote:
>>> I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
>>> fuel
>>> and
>>> stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
>>> just
>>> being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot meals.
>>> I
>>> will
>>> mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any suggestions
>>> or
>>> sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
>>> only eat
>>> tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:10:45 -0500
>> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <67DD330839B1404EB79DCC70174655C8 at HomePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I'm intrigued with the idea of cold food. But I do like a cup of coffee
>> or hot chocolate or instant soup. I'm thinking that the simplest,
>> lightest and reliable heating option might the Esbit heat tabs. Any
>> thoughts about this?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shawn Hudson
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>>
>>
>> >
>> > While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched to
>> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
>> that
>> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
>> notice
>> a difference in the weight.
>>
>> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods, and
>> my
>> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
>> flour
>> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>>
>> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>>
>> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ... plus
>> it
>> comes in a resealable pouch)
>> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons
>> of
>> different flavors)
>> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things for
>> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding a
>> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and they're
>> usually single-serving.
>> - bacon bits
>> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness for
>> only God knows how long)
>> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
>> - SPAM
>> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>>
>> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>>
>> - PopTarts
>> - CLIF Bars
>> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>>
>> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>>
>> - Voodoo
>>
>>
>> > Brandon Reed wrote:
>> > I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
>> fuel
>> > and
>> > stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and generally
>> > just
>> > being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot
>> meals. I
>> > will
>> > mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any
>> suggestions
>> > or
>> > sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I can
>> > only eat
>> > tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:19:20 -0500
>> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>> To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <C4FB2DCF357E44468AD685FE0F3FBB78 at HomePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thanks for the great tip. How can you tell that they're fresh? Are there
>> expiration dates on them?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ron Dye
>> To: 'giniajim'
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:16 PM
>> Subject: RE: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>>
>>
>> Just make sure the tablets are fresh. I picked up a bunch at a surplus
>> store and couldn't get them to light even when I poured alcohol over them
>> and lighted it. (But, I sure saved some money buying that cheap "old"
>> stuff). Other reports I have heard have been great - just make sure
>> they're
>> fresh.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of giniajim
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:11 PM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>>
>> I'm intrigued with the idea of cold food. But I do like a cup of coffee
>> or
>> hot chocolate or instant soup. I'm thinking that the simplest, lightest
>> and
>> reliable heating option might the Esbit heat tabs. Any thoughts about
>> this?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shawn Hudson
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] COLD FOOD
>>
>>
>> >
>> > While on the AT (be hiking the PCT in 2012), my buddy and I switched
>> to
>> cold food during the Summer to avoid heat and weight. What we found was
>> that
>> since cold foods are traditionally heavier (hydrated), we also didn't
>> notice
>> a difference in the weight.
>>
>> That said, I enjoyed a lot of good food for that month of cold foods,
>> and
>> my
>> favorite/most versatile was 'the wrap.' Just pick up a pack or two of
>> flour
>> tortillas in town and then let your imagination run wild.
>>
>> These are some of the things we bought along the way ...
>>
>> - pre-cut pepperoni (greasy, but lighter and easier to deal with ...
>> plus
>> it
>> comes in a resealable pouch)
>> - tuna/chicken packets (the Starkist tuna is great, as it comes in tons
>> of
>> different flavors)
>> - salad dressing packets (some stores/delis) will offer these things
>> for
>> free to customers (or you can pick up some at a fast food place. Adding
>> a
>> nice balsamic or ranch to a wrap makes a world of difference, and
>> they're
>> usually single-serving.
>> - bacon bits
>> - Easy Cheese (don't knock it 'til you've been out in the Wilderness
>> for
>> only God knows how long)
>> - block sharp cheddar (the sharper, the longer it lasts)
>> - SPAM
>> - peanut butter, honey and bananas
>>
>> Other cold foods that I found vital:
>>
>> - PopTarts
>> - CLIF Bars
>> - any kind of ridiculously caloric cookie
>>
>> Hope that gives you some ideas.
>>
>> - Voodoo
>>
>>
>> > Brandon Reed wrote:
>> > I'm gonna starts my hike with cold food options to save the weight on
>> fuel
>> > and
>> > stove, plus with the heat, desert, abundance of resupply, and
>> generally
>> > just
>> > being more tired in the start of a hike,?I normally don't eat hot
>> meals.
>> I
>> > will
>> > mail?my stove?to have later in the trip. Does anyone have any
>> suggestions
>> > or
>> > sites to review?for cold food options that wont bore me?by day 2. I
>> can
>> > only eat
>> > tuna and candy bars?for so many meals before I start to?go crazy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:53:36 -0800
>> From: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <4CD89B90.4090001 at cox.net>
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>>
>> there's a discussion/vote section I had not yet seen
>> http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/0/2076B31EB980368E8625775E00795FAC?OpenDocument
>>
>> "Considering wheeled recreation such as OHV and Mountain Bikes are the
>> most popular forms of recreation, then the best way to accomplish the
>> goal of encouraging people to enjoy the backcountry and to preserve
>> access would be to provide more places where people can enjoy wheeled
>> vehicle recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should remove support for the
>> designation of Wilderness Areas and Monuments as both these land
>> designations discourage or prohibit wheeled recreation and would
>> therefore not be in keeping with the guiding principle of encouraging
>> outdoor recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should support opening more
>> trails to all forms of wheeled recreation so the public will have
>> greater access to enjoy the Great American Outdoors."
>>
>>
>> Off Road Vehicle and Mountain Biking Most Popular Forms of Recreation
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:05:38 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Vintage JMT Guide Book by Starr
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <329875.24949.qm at web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I still have this tattered old?guide book that I bought in 1953. It is:
>> "Guide
>> to the John Muir Trail and the High Sierra Region" by Walter A Starr, Jr.
>> It was
>> first published in 1934, a year after Starr's death.?Starr was lost while
>> climbing in the Minarets An extensive search followed. His body was
>> finally
>> found by Norman Clyde My copy was published by the Sierra Club in 1953. It
>> measures 5" x 7.5" x 3/8' thick?and weighs just over 5 ounces. It is the
>> only
>> guidebook I used during my early wanderings in the Sierra.
>>
>> Do any old-timers on this list remember this guidebook?
>>
>> MendoRider
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:41 -0800
>> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <8F8634BE-5208-42E0-B47D-23F8E4AC5547 at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Somebody should post this every day until the start of the next thru-
>> hiking season:
>>
>> The desert is cold! You need jackets, sleeping bags, rain gear,
>> possibly some snow gear, the works! It is cold.
>>
>> So many people believe it's all desert, all tumbleweeds and cactus
>> from Mexico to Kennedy Meadows. Hardly the case. Some people believe
>> that if it is desert, it's hot. There's no humidity so as hot as it
>> might get during the day it can get equally/inversely as cold at
>> night. It can get cold during the day, too. I froze under the
>> Cottonwood bridge on Aqueduct day.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:17:06 -0800
>> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <8A5AB9B5444743B8B264565BED8EB234 at SeanDeskTop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> The coldest temperature that I had before Washington was the day after
>> Wrightwood when the high was 42F most of the day as the trail paralleled
>> Hwy2. So much for hot and sunny in SoCal. For the entire trail, I
>> carried a Montbell Ex.Light Down Jacket that weighed 6.4oz in size L. It
>> was great to wear around camp as there were many nights below freezing and
>> it made for a soft pillow at night. I couldn't wear it for hiking much.
>> The longest I kept it on when starting out in the early morning was about
>> 30minutes as by then my body was fulling warmed up and it was starting to
>> get too hot to keep on. Normally just a baselayer under my shirt and my
>> rain jacket was fine for most early morning/night hiking except for the
>> last 4 days on the trail when I finished up with snow. I would carry the
>> down jacket again as it was extra insurance incase I was in a major storm;
>> especially for sleeping at night as it would allow my sleeping bag temp
>> range to be extended down lower. Someone
>> who is more cold blooded then I would probably want some extra layers
>> compared to me as I tend to stay warmer then most as long as I'm eating
>> well.
>>
>> -Miner
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at
>> http://www.pct2009.lifesadventures.net/Journal.php
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:24:20 -0700
>> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTinfeH2ThkP1AmCQk1JDVkVvkmQgg=zHv_Sa329b at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I prefer down for the better weight to warmth ratio. Of course you pay
>> more
>> for down. I believe most PCT thrus carry a down jacket or vest fro the a
>> fore mentioned reason.
>>
>> Obviously you have not been in So. Cal in the spring. Yes Yes Yes, bring
>> the jacket. Every year it is kind of funny to see some peoples reaction
>> to
>> the cold So. Cal Weather during kick off (Is that ice on my tent?).
>>
>> Who knows maybe this year it will actually be warm one night?
>>
>> Day-Late
>>
>>
>>> Brandon Wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Should I bring a fleece or?down jacket for a thru-hike on the PCT? Also,
>>> should
>>> I start the hike with a jacket or have it mailed to me along the way??
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:32:13 -0800
>> From: Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <4CD8B2AD.7050104 at socal.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 11/8/2010 6:24 PM, David Thibault wrote:
>>> Obviously you have not been in So. Cal in the spring. Yes Yes Yes, bring
>>> the jacket. Every year it is kind of funny to see some peoples reaction
>>> to
>>> the cold So. Cal Weather during kick off (Is that ice on my tent?).
>>
>> When I moved to Southern California many years ago I had the same
>> misconceptions. Folks back east come out here expecting to start in the
>> desert. Well, it's not desert, very little of the trail is in desert.
>> And even if it was, some of the coldest days and nights of my life have
>> been in the desert!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:06:00 -0800
>> From: greg jacobs <pcthiker08 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] ridebride
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikFJ7zdbv8F20_gOomCePrEn40EcxWbsmKWmCyb at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> where are you ridebride i dont see your posts??
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:59:19 -0800
>> From: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Women's packs
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTik15F4ELJ6c_z5X1wb_GDUmJQAxguSV4MfRkNY6 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
>> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:09:11 -0800
>> From: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] My post
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTi=Uj8Zo0RU3w-UBqFgcirPOR_Z1yvWRvCGMqw5=@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> My freaking posts wont show up! :(
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:34:02 -0800
>> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] My post
>> To: Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTin0T9AddFM9XU_JJG_VhywOOr3QN7ge3BtgNTib at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Well, Lara:
>>
>> If you had read the welcome email you got when you subscribed, you
>> would have seen this:
>>
>> =====
>> A a few things that may or may not interest you
>> 1 - Spammers have figured out how to sign up for the list, so all new
>> members are moderated until they have posted at least one PCT related
>> post. This means if you are new to the list, your first post may take
>> a while to show up, especially if the admin is out hiking.
>> ====
>>
>> It took me a whole 1:20 approve your post. Aren't we a bit impatient....
>> :-)
>>
>> Brick Robbins,
>> PCT-L Admin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> ?My freaking posts wont show up! :(
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:36:52 -0800
>> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Women's packs
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimgPOQBigZ8YpimtbbcL05w0eC8DwF3ibyiDrU6 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hey Lara,
>>
>> Somebody mentioned at www.hammockforums.net earlier today (
>> http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24435 ) that ULA has
>> just released some shoulder straps designed for women. So that pretty much
>> puts one of the best packs out there even more viable for the ladies out
>> there! I do not see it listed at their website (
>> http://www.ula-equipment.com/packoverview.asp ) yet but maybe you could
>> call
>> them.
>>
>> ~Abela
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
>>> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:58:43 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Women's packs
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Cc: larasalonen at gmail.com
>> Message-ID:
>> <1618286605.125800.1289303923711.JavaMail.root at sz0027a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Query from Lara:
>>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman.
>>> Any ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
>>
>> Response from John Abela:
>>>> ... ULA has just released some shoulder straps designed for women.
>>>> So that pretty much puts one of the best packs out there even more
>>>> viable for
>> the ladies out there!
>>>> I do not see it listed at their website... yet but maybe you could call
>>>> them.
>>
>> Sorry, Lara, I'm not a "chick", but...
>> ULA has announced the new female specific straps on their Facebook page:
>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Logan-UT/Ultralight-Adventure-Equipment/120681891315910>...
>> ULA is perhaps the most used & popular pack brand on a PCT thru - and most
>> owners love them!
>>
>> And if you're going to attempt a PCT thru-hike in 2012, you might want to
>> work on that
>> 'patience' issue, too... :-o ;-)
>>
>> Happy trails!!!
>> Jim (PITA)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:52:29 -0500
>> From: hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: [pct-l] Big Gear Gathering
>> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <8CD4E2C7BFB7752-C6C-1BBFE at webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> FYI: Manyon Ed, Crash and I will meet Friday, November 12 at 1100 at Tom's
>> Farm just off I15 between LA and San Diego. We will meet Warner Springs
>> Monty to give him some excess gear for his backpacking classes and those
>> who cannot afford gear. If you want to join in, just show up.
>>
>> I thank you.
>>
>> Your obedient servant.
>>
>> Switchback the Trail Pirate
>> "To us you are all illegal aliens." --- Sitting Bull
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:08:49 -0800
>> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jacket questions?
>> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTi=vYOteUmrC=TAsWvFM5a=PZ3Y5hwh7=GJiCpNg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Good morning, Brandon,
>>
>> My thoughts regarding jackets can be found at:
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874
>>
>> with further discussion at:
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265651
>>
>>
>>
>> I?ll second Diane?s comments that the south can be cold in April. On
>> several trips, the coldest I became was at the Kick-Off at Lake Morena
>> while
>> watching the evening outdoor programs. While hiking I don?t sit around in
>> the evening cold; I crawl in the sack and get some sleep. I won?t hike
>> with
>> extra gear weight just to satisfy one or two cool evenings.
>>
>>
>>
>> For 80% of the PCT one of the fine, ultra-lite down jackets is great, but
>> they are mostly overkill, and they are ruinously expensive. I have many
>> down jackets of various weights, but not one of the ultra-lites. I?ve
>> intended to buy one many times, but fleece ? while being less warm ? is
>> warm
>> enough, and several hundred dollars less expensive. Plus, living as I do
>> in
>> the Pacific NW, I have lots of direct experience with both down jackets
>> and
>> fleece jackets under rain gear. Perspiration will accumulate, but fleece
>> will insulate while damp/wet but down does so poorly. Fleece will dry
>> quickly and completely while being worn, but down is reluctant to dry and
>> will clump and loose efficiency as it does. In my opinion, fleece wins
>> for
>> anything more than about 1 mile of hiking in the rain.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
>> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Somebody should post this every day until the start of the next thru-
>>> hiking season:
>>>
>>> The desert is cold! You need jackets, sleeping bags, rain gear,
>>> possibly some snow gear, the works! It is cold.
>>>
>>> So many people believe it's all desert, all tumbleweeds and cactus
>>> from Mexico to Kennedy Meadows. Hardly the case. Some people believe
>>> that if it is desert, it's hot. There's no humidity so as hot as it
>>> might get during the day it can get equally/inversely as cold at
>>> night. It can get cold during the day, too. I froze under the
>>> Cottonwood bridge on Aqueduct day.
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:51:20 -0800
>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Women's packs
>> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <A805CDDF-F61F-474C-9B2C-82237D646DC8 at burge.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> Even without that, my girlfriend loves her ULA.
>>
>> The important thing is to get it properly fit.
>>
>> When we went to the Zero Day, we had the owner fit us. He said that where
>> most people go wrong is that they think because it for a woman, it needs a
>> smaller size pack. When in reality, a 5'8" woman can have a longer
>> spine/torso pack dimension than a 6' male.
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:36 PM, John Abela wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Lara,
>>>
>>> Somebody mentioned at www.hammockforums.net earlier today (
>>> http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24435 ) that ULA has
>>> just released some shoulder straps designed for women. So that pretty
>>> much
>>> puts one of the best packs out there even more viable for the ladies out
>>> there! I do not see it listed at their website (
>>> http://www.ula-equipment.com/packoverview.asp ) yet but maybe you could
>>> call
>>> them.
>>>
>>> ~Abela
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Lara Salonen <larasalonen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm hiking in 2012....... Looking for a good pack for a woman. Any
>>>> ideas out there from the chicks in the group?
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:56:51 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
>> To: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <440481.13232.qm at web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Eckert,
>> Thanks for posting that link. EVERYONE ON THIS LIST should read it (see
>> eckert's
>> post on 11-8-10)?and be aware that there will be a big push from the
>> off-roaders
>> to influence the government to open up Wilderness Areas and the PCT?to
>> their
>> use.? Realize that they greatly outnumber hikers and equestrians and that
>> their
>> numbers are growing. We should all vote on that "America's Great Outdoors"
>> forum
>> and also write our representatives.
>>
>> MendoRider
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 4:53:36 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] if you're a voter at America's Great Outdoors
>>
>> there's a discussion/vote section I had not yet seen
>> http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/0/2076B31EB980368E8625775E00795FAC?OpenDocument
>>
>>
>> "Considering wheeled recreation such as OHV and Mountain Bikes are the
>> most popular forms of recreation, then the best way to accomplish the
>> goal of encouraging people to enjoy the backcountry and to preserve
>> access would be to provide more places where people can enjoy wheeled
>> vehicle recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should remove support for the
>> designation of Wilderness Areas and Monuments as both these land
>> designations discourage or prohibit wheeled recreation and would
>> therefore not be in keeping with the guiding principle of encouraging
>> outdoor recreation. The Outdoor Initiative should support opening more
>> trails to all forms of wheeled recreation so the public will have
>> greater access to enjoy the Great American Outdoors."
>>
>>
>> ? ? Off Road Vehicle and Mountain Biking Most Popular Forms of Recreation
>>
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