[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

[Brandon McGinnity]

I'd go with wood. Already plan to hike with my lightweight homemade hobo
stove, to save on how much fuel I gotta carry. I agree with the
environmental side of the new rules, though the inconvenience is sure to be
felt along the Trail. But I wouldn't prefer switch to a fossil fuel
*and*throw-away cannisters.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Survey type Question,
>
> If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a
> canister,  or would you try stoveless?
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> > The rationale stated on their site:
> >
> > "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
> wax,
> > emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic
> compounds
> > (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
> in
> > the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry.
> >
> > "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
> of
> > us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
> > Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
> > the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
> is
> > the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
> > County!" "
> >
> > I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
> > statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
> beautiful
> > planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
> > impact.
> >
> > It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
> Heet
> > and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
> in
> > SoCal.
> >
> > LR
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
> > To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> >
> > Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
> > dollars at work.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
> > To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> >
> > This morning we stopped by our local hardware store.  The owner Trish,
> who
> > has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
> > alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
> > order any more.  She said South Coast Air Quality Management District
> Rule
> > 1143 is the reason;  it bans numerous paint solvents within their
> district
> > boundaries  www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html
> >
> >
> >
> > According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes
> through
> > SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the
> Mojave
> > floor at Hwy 138.  "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
> > Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC
> limit
> > of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of
> 25
> > g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
> > multi-purpose solvents."
> >
> >
> >
> > The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
> VOC:
> > 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
>  Can
> > anyone verify the VOC of Heet?  Or know if the new lower VOC products
> will
> > work in stoves?
> >
> >
> >
> > It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
> and
> > I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in
> other
> > areas.  Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult.  However, hikers
> may
> > not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
> and
> > other regions may be considering similar bans.
> >
> >
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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