[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Sun Apr 3 14:34:18 CDT 2011

Ken, As you suggest,warming up your fuel is a good idea in cold weather. In the 
Swiss Alps, during the winter, I recall that I slept with our Primus fuel 
container. This made the stove easier to light.
MendoRider

________________________________
From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:38:21 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Rolling Boils??!! You don't need rolling boils to rehydrate your food. Most 
of the time we don't even get to a full boil. Then shut off the stove and 
wrap your cooking pot in a fleece jacket for about 10 minutes. Your food 
will rehydrate just fine.

And as to warm weather - remember to put your cold canister in your sleeping 
bag. The stove will be much more efficient.

Ken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
To: "'Paul Robison'" <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>; "'Donna Saufley'" 
<dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; "'Bob Bankhead'" 
<wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Just FYI on canister fuel.  I am testing my snow peak stove with an 8oz MSR
canister and am up to 28 two cup rolling boils. Low altitude and pretty warm
weather and water so probably best case.  We will see how many I get.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Robison
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:31 PM
To: Donna Saufley
Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Survey type Question,

If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a
canister,  or would you try stoveless?

Sent from my iPod

On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:

> The rationale stated on their site:
>
> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
wax,
> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic compounds
> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
in
> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry.
>
> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
of
> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
is
> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
> County!" "
>
> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
beautiful
> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
> impact.
>
> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
Heet
> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
in
> SoCal.
>
> LR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>
> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
> dollars at work.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>
> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store.  The owner Trish, who
> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
> order any more.  She said South Coast Air Quality Management District Rule
> 1143 is the reason;  it bans numerous paint solvents within their district
> boundaries  www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html
>
>
>
> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes through
> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the Mojave
> floor at Hwy 138.  "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC limit
> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of 25
> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
> multi-purpose solvents."
>
>
>
> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
VOC:
> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
Can
> anyone verify the VOC of Heet?  Or know if the new lower VOC products will
> work in stoves?
>
>
>
> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
and
> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in other
> areas.  Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult.  However, hikers
may
> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
and
> other regions may be considering similar bans.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
>
>
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