[pct-l] finalized total pack weight (hopefully)

Wed Apr 6 13:17:46 CDT 2011

Hey Mike,

I hear ya, I really do.

If, however, I just sat around all day every day doing nothing but
screwing with gear I would say an "amen" to you - but your barking up
the wrong tree.

For over a year I have spent at least 4 days a week on-trail somewhere
here in California. I am out there pounding the miles, not just
sitting around with a scale calculating grams ;)

Just got in about 30 minutes ago from an overnighter and heading out
Friday for a 4-day trip on the Lost Coast Trail... wanna go :-)

John

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Call it what you want,but its total pack weight that matters,and if
> its enough for your backcountry skills to keep you alive. If I had the
> time,effort,and money to do that,and talk about it all year,id be out
> of shape! My advise,throw away your dam scale,and man up brother!(it
> seems your always weighing s#!+) Jardine is jardine,be your own
> hiker,pack weight is only part of the battle my friend. Dont take this
> as a negative,HYOH and Hike On.
>
> On 4/6/11, John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Ate,
>>
>> We do them the same ;)
>>
>> I just happen to wear my cap's all day long - thus they are listed as
>> daily wear. I rarely find a time when I am so hot that I have to
>> really start pealing the layers off, and even than, I almost never go
>> short sleeve. Lots more logic of wearing long sleeve shirts in the
>> Mojave than going short sleeve. Granted the PC3's might be a bit of
>> overkill for Silverwood through KM. I spent 20 years in Victorville
>> (and a few years in Big Bear) so I have enough understanding of what
>> the weather there is like. But anyway, yeah, we both do thing same
>> way, I just probably approach cloth layering differently.
>>
>> I calculate my water bottle weight into the overall weight of my
>> 'water' because it is just the way I have always done it. My food bag
>> is also included in the weight of my food, again, just how I have
>> always done it.
>>
>> If we are just a few pounds different I would suspect the main
>> differences would probably be the backpack and tent setup. Hard to
>> beat an 8oz backpack and a 12oz tent (with bug insert). In the end the
>> food will be the main factor for me. I plan to buy most of my food
>> along the way (for the PCT at least) and therein will result in some
>> seriously different weights after each town.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I do my calculations somewhat differently.  Things like the Capilene and
>>> gloves would go in the pack weight since it wouldn't be worn most of the
>>> day.  I'd also include the weight of the water bottles and food bag.  Even
>>> with those changes, your base weight is still a few pounds below mine.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:41 PM, John Abela
>>> <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>>>> > Very good.  Could you share what comprises your base pack weight.
>>>> > I'm struggling to get mine below 10 lbs and could use all the help out
>>>> > there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and sorry for not providing a link...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As-hvbUBJ_X_dHJXU3ZDb2VlOElUczlWS3JaUmNtNGc&hl=en&authkey=CLCE2LAO
>>>>
>>>> Once that page loads, on the bottom click the "Primary Setup" tab.
>>>>
>>>> I was actually 7 oz off on one item - so I am actually at a BPW of 6.17
>>>> lbs.
>>>>
>>>> You will probably see a few things on there that make no sense (gasp)
>>>> but as I see it, at this pack weight, I am allowed a thing or two that
>>>> does not make sense ;)
>>>>
>>>> What I would probably ditch if I *really* cared for XUL would be the:
>>>> pad, pillow, balaclava, umbrella, sealskinz - and than I would add in
>>>> a GG pad at 1.8 - which would mean I could save 29.8 ounces.
>>>>
>>>> For me I figure I could have either: (1) a 4.8 BPW and suffer a bit,
>>>> or I could have (2) a 6.1 BWP and have a few luxuries and extra core
>>>> temperature items.
>>>>
>>>> I carry the NeoAir because it is awesome, and I carry the pillow
>>>> because I honestly believe that sleep is probably the most important
>>>> aspect of life and it helps me sleep beyond what I ever expected and
>>>> beyond just stuffing a stuff sack with clothing (odd, I know...
>>>> probably physiological), the balaclava I could probably do without for
>>>> 80% of the trip, the umbrella is (as has been repeatedly discussed) an
>>>> item well worth having, and the sealskinz are not for keeping my feet
>>>> dry but rather to help me keep my frostbitten toes warm on cold days -
>>>> something I learned from a triple crowner a couple years ago. Could I
>>>> do away with these five items... sure... but we all face a mental
>>>> point where there is a line between safe and unsafe, and I tend to
>>>> think that the most unsafe thing I can face on-trail is weather that
>>>> turns really bad and me being without the right gear. For me, the
>>>> balaclava and sealskinz might weigh 10 ounces, but they provide me
>>>> with that peace-of-mind that keeps me in a good state of mind. I know
>>>> that with them I can get down into the 10-20(f) temps and stay safe.
>>>> Obviously the neoair and pillow and umbrella are nothing more than
>>>> pure one-hundred-percent luxury items.
>>>>
>>>> And, I do realize that my food is not going to weigh exactly the same
>>>> amount, day after day... so the numbers I listed there are what they
>>>> typically are for when I do local hikes.
>>>>
>>>> John
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>>
>>
>>
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In God's wildness lies the hope of the world - the great fresh
unblighted, unredeemed wilderness. The galling harness of civilization
drops off, and wounds heal ere we are aware. ~ John Muir