[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 40, Issue 64

Sat Apr 30 12:03:51 CDT 2011

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> 1. Tip for carrying gels or pastes (Donna Saufley)
> 2. Re: So long... (Nathan Miller)
> 3. Re: Two thru hikers rescued from San Jacintos? (Ernie Castillo)
> 4. Re: Good luck to the PCT Class of 2011 (Nathan Miller)
> 5. Two thru hikers rescued from San Jacintos? (PCT List)
> 6. Extra Items (Jim Bravo)
> 7. Backpack Packing strategies... (Guthrie Nutter)
> 8. Re: Backpack Packing strategies... (John Abela)
> 9. Wandering Dot needs ride to ADZPCTKO fri (Christy Georg)
> 10. Re: Backpack Packing strategies... (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 11. Hello (Todd Wagner)
> 12. Deep Creeek Detour Report (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
> 13. Requesting kickoff photo (Brian Gill)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:07:23 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tip for carrying gels or pastes
> To: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Just saw this tip in the local Community Club newsletter and thought it
was
> worth sharing:
>
>
>
> To carry tiny amounts of jells or pastes like toothpaste, vaseline, etc.
use
> a large diameter straw. Cut 3/4" off both ends. Jam the center section
into
> the jell or paste until it is within an inch of filling. Close the ends by
> folding the last 1/2" back on itself, then fold this again lengthwise, and
> insert into the 3/4" pieces that you previously cut.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] So long...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Message-ID: <165218.42443.qm at web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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>
>> Oh, yeah, that narrows it down. I'll be the lady with the
>> backpack?
>> hanging around with the man with the gray beard. ;)
>
> No kidding. It's like in my Medieval group: yeah, he's tall, has a beard
and long hair and does heavy armored combat....
>
> -Nate the Trail Zombie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:39:48 -0400
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Two thru hikers rescued from San Jacintos?
> To: <pctlist at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> <hedgehollow at suddenlink.net>
> Message-ID: <COL112-W422EB1BFE8D176A8D1434BD89A0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Ned promotes awareness, survival skills, knowing your limits, and being
prepared. I don't think it's fair to even suggest his advice even remotely
contributed to this situation.
> I read the article and it doesn't appear that the start date was the
issue.
> On my 1980 thru-hike, there were times I was "slightly off trail" and even
once when I was without water.
> But I never panicked. I didn't have a cell phone, of course, 31 years ago
but even if I had I would not have hit the panic button.
>
> I'll say it again: Be careful out there.
>
> I'm not going to judge these 2 hikers but the area they were in, even with
"rugged terrain and steep drop-offs" is mild compared to what lies ahead, in
my humble opinion.
>
> Oh, by the way, GMC trio hiked up the Devil's Slide Trail from Idylwild,
got caught in a blizzard, and simply pitched tents and rode out the storm.
We got good at this, starting from the first time we had to ride out a storm
around Mount Laguna.
>
> Ernie Castillo
>
> PCT Class of 1980 and a March starter
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:56:58 -0700
>> From: pctlist at gmail.com
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Two thru hikers rescued from San Jacintos?
>>
>> This different article says they were rescued at the 2,500' level on
>> the Snow Canyon side. If they were low on food, it suggests they
>> bailed north off trail before they could get to Idyllwild to resupply.
>> Which also suggests lots of snow up their still.
>>
>> Many assumptions there.
>>
>> The promoting of early season departures, whether it's the "Artificial
>> Day Zero" or Ned at Mtn Education promoting March start dates is
>> asking for trouble. It's dangerous for most, not all, hikers and it
>> shines a very negative light on us, the PCT community.
>>
>> Someone is gonna get hurt.
>>
>> Heres the article:
>>
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/apr/27/lost-hikers-who-started-in-tijuana-rescued/
>>
>> -postholer
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Good luck to the PCT Class of 2011
> To: johner27 at evergreen.edu, pct-l at backcountry.net,
> hedgehollow at suddenlink.net, Sheila Garrison
> <sheilagarrison10 at yahoo.com>, Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
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>> I received a message from a friend with whom I hiked the
>> PCT in 1980. You might be interested to know that there is a
>> "second generation" thru-hiker on the 2011 herd. I don't
>> know his trail name. All I know is his first name is Adam
>> and he is hiking with his friend Troy.
>>
>> So if you bump into him, please congratulate him for being
>> a 2nd Gen PCTer.
>
> Er...does that mean one or both of his parents were through-hikers?
>
> -Nate the Trail Zombie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:19:42 -0700
> From: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Two thru hikers rescued from San Jacintos?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTime8Jbpo=RMrJQk0K0g8CcJBqNw2w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>> Ned promotes awareness, survival skills, knowing your limits, and
>> being prepared. I don't think it's fair to even suggest his advice even
>> remotely contributed to this situation.
>
> Ned does a fantastic job helping hikers get educated in regard to
> early season travel. We are lucky to have him as part of this
> community.
>
> He also has been a vocal promoter of March start dates and early entry
> into the Sierra. We are all ultimately responsible for our actions.
> *My opinion* is that he sometimes overlooks we don't all have his
> experience when he makes such public recommendations. There is a
> certain responsibility when someone of his vast experience makes such
> statements to a larger audience.
>
> Refer to the PCT-L archives for those statements.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:35:32 -0700
> From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Extra Items
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=iqnPqxiU+ukx+TG4S1Xi+nHeM1A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I have a couple of un-needed hiking items I'm letting go of: 2011
> model Tarptent Contrail, used 4 nights, seams sealed ($150.), and a
> Camp Corsa ice axe used during one day of self-arrest practice ($60.).
> You pay shipping. Contact me off-list if interested.
>
> http://www.tarptent.com/contrail.html#overview
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/751753/camp-usa-corsa-ice-axe
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:58:11 -0400
> From: Guthrie Nutter <guthrie.nutter at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Backpack Packing strategies...
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=V+X+PKmK4cK-wxSG-1WofrTBOkg at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> *sheepish look*
>
> Having a bit of an 'adventure' with my amateur attempts to pack a backpack
> properly. Maybe doing a better job than anticipated, but need the extra
> confidence booster.
>
> Anyone know of any good articles I can read on about how to actually
> visualize the layout of where to put everything? Ideally I would prefer to
> see a hands-on demo at ADZPCTKO, but it's not possible. Starting 5/17.
>
> If there's anyone on this list serv in the NYC area, holla in this
> direction, and we can get a conversation going. See you on the trail!
>
> best,
>
> G
>
> --
> www.guthrienutter.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:21:40 -0700
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backpack Packing strategies...
> To: Guthrie Nutter <guthrie.nutter at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Mm_KJy+12PC47HzheeGPnxsMvzg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello,
>
> First, spend 8 minutes of your life and watch this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wuwNnRfrG4
>
> I would not be able to comment on this overall too much. I have gone
> from using a 4,200 cubic inch (68.8 liters) backpack to a 2,600 cu in
> (42.6 liters) and I have just placed an order for a 1,000 cu in (16.3
> liters) backpack that I am hoping beyond all hope I will be able to
> get my gear into. However what I can comment on is that a good deal of
> it depends upon the design of your bag. These days with things like
> Backpack lids/brains, it is just totally screwing up how to properly
> go about packing a backpack. Best thing I ever did was order a custom
> made backpack with no outside pockets (except for two shoulder
> pouches). Not only does it force me into properly packing a backpack -
> and not having to counter balance with outside pocket weight - but it
> results in zero snags with trees and bushes.
>
> I think there are so many different "suggestions" out there on the
> internet that it just really makes most people lost in what is
> 'right'. Watch the video and stop and think about everything you might
> be reading on the internet about this issue. It will so totally
> disprove the vast majority of what you are probably reading.
>
> Not a lot of info I can share on this fact beyond what I have. I am
> sure if you provided some further details on the pack you have and the
> amount of gear you have and what your big-three are, it could help
> some folks help you with some initial suggestions!
>
>
> John B. Abela
> www.RedwoodOutdoors.com
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Guthrie Nutter
> <guthrie.nutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> *sheepish look*
>>
>> Having a bit of an 'adventure' with my amateur attempts to pack a
backpack
>> properly. ?Maybe doing a better job than anticipated, but need the extra
>> confidence booster.
>>
>> Anyone know of any good articles I can read on about how to actually
>> visualize the layout of where to put everything? ?Ideally I would prefer
to
>> see a hands-on demo at ADZPCTKO, but it's not possible. ?Starting 5/17.
>>
>> If there's anyone on this list serv in the NYC area, holla in this
>> direction, and we can get a conversation going. ?See you on the trail!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:19:33 -0700
> From: Christy Georg <christygeorg007 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Wandering Dot needs ride to ADZPCTKO fri
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <9169290F-F5EA-421F-ADD2-6606C95C767B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Me and my hiking partner Annie seek a ride to KO anytime Friday, tomorrow.
Currently at Idyllwild Inn, could hitch to 74/ Paradise cafe if better for
you. Seems like none of the hikers or townies are headed down! Help us out!?
Em christygeorg007 at gmail.com
>
> Christy Georg
> www.christygeorg.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:24:21 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backpack Packing strategies...
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTintQn9QShe4+yyhHXPnkvhguNMiCQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Good morning,
>
> The tenor of the video is that a framed pack with a hip belt is accepted
as
> necessary ? along with boots ? so here?s how to optimize its use.
Conversely,
> I believe the best place to focus attention is weight reduction. With a
> sufficiently light pack it really matters little exactly how the weight is
> distributed. Similarly, a 50+ pound pack will never be comfortable, but
> some load distributions will only be less awful than others.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM, John Abela <
> pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, spend 8 minutes of your life and watch this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wuwNnRfrG4
>>
>> I would not be able to comment on this overall too much. I have gone
>> from using a 4,200 cubic inch (68.8 liters) backpack to a 2,600 cu in
>> (42.6 liters) and I have just placed an order for a 1,000 cu in (16.3
>> liters) backpack that I am hoping beyond all hope I will be able to
>> get my gear into. However what I can comment on is that a good deal of
>> it depends upon the design of your bag. These days with things like
>> Backpack lids/brains, it is just totally screwing up how to properly
>> go about packing a backpack. Best thing I ever did was order a custom
>> made backpack with no outside pockets (except for two shoulder
>> pouches). Not only does it force me into properly packing a backpack -
>> and not having to counter balance with outside pocket weight - but it
>> results in zero snags with trees and bushes.
>>
>> I think there are so many different "suggestions" out there on the
>> internet that it just really makes most people lost in what is
>> 'right'. Watch the video and stop and think about everything you might
>> be reading on the internet about this issue. It will so totally
>> disprove the vast majority of what you are probably reading.
>>
>> Not a lot of info I can share on this fact beyond what I have. I am
>> sure if you provided some further details on the pack you have and the
>> amount of gear you have and what your big-three are, it could help
>> some folks help you with some initial suggestions!
>>
>>
>> John B. Abela
>> www.RedwoodOutdoors.com
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Guthrie Nutter
>> <guthrie.nutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *sheepish look*
>> >
>> > Having a bit of an 'adventure' with my amateur attempts to pack a
>> backpack
>> > properly. Maybe doing a better job than anticipated, but need the extra
>> > confidence booster.
>> >
>> > Anyone know of any good articles I can read on about how to actually
>> > visualize the layout of where to put everything? Ideally I would prefer
>> to
>> > see a hands-on demo at ADZPCTKO, but it's not possible. Starting 5/17.
>> >
>> > If there's anyone on this list serv in the NYC area, holla in this
>> > direction, and we can get a conversation going. See you on the trail!
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:11:39 -0400
> From: Todd Wagner <twsunburst at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hello
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CDD54F469F5CD8-1424-3D96D at webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Looking forward to it...I'm starting at PCT in ~ 2 weeks at Campo, Monday
5/16/2011...I'm hiking up to South Lake Tahoe this year, my son is going to
join me just north of Tehachapi...I'm going to have a couple of my friends
see me a couple of days...but, most of my first 600 miles just me...let me
know if your starting...let me know.
> Thanks, Todd Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:23:40 +0000
> From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Deep Creeek Detour Report
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20110430142340.V6V9O.260145.root at hrndva-web09-z02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Wednesday through Friday we hiked from Big Bear to Silverwood Lake. We ran
into two small patches of snow beyond Cougar Crest, they are probably gone
today.
>
> They are felling dead trees near Holcomb Creek Crossing, so heads up.
>
> The detour goes pretty good for the most part. 3N34 runs along a 4000'
plateau. The seasonal water sources were running well, we had no water
issues. We watered up at Willow Creek, which looks like it will be flowing
for sometime. Being a weekday, we only ran into a few dirtbikers, and they
were considerate and slowed down for us.
>
> After Pinnacles OHV Staging area, you only walk for 2 miles on paved CA
173. Being closed ahead there was no traffic. There were several camping
possibilities along the way. We camped at the bridge over Kinley Creek. Good
tent sites and good water just a few feet away.
>
> The dirt portion of 173 was steeply banked, which was a nuisance.
>
> All in all the detour wasn't bad at all. The 3N34 section had lots of
flowers, and a cool breeze.
>
> After the detour there was plenty of trailside water until CA 138.
>
> The weather was great, and we had a great time.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0700
> From: Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Requesting kickoff photo
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <9AEC3E83-54AC-4EDF-BA52-8F553D3CBA5A at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Can someone text me a live kickoff pic or two? Working today. Panama.
626-272-8794. Or pctpanama at aol.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone ,
>
> Brian
>
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