[pct-l] First required place for bear canister

Mike Chapman altathunder76 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 20 10:02:03 CST 2011 

Ive talked a big game on this list,because I like to put off a
manly,in control,man vrs wild,and just plain american bad a$$ persona.
All of which is 100% true(oh the hiking ego). None of which benefits
the pct. Some have made me realize the error of my ways(thanks). Its
not just you out there,its everyones trail,and thus all things trail
related effect the other people,plants,animals,flora,fauna. Ive killed
alot of things in my life,when I was young there was no choice,do
it,or get beaten,grounded,laughed at,or go hungery. I now kill at a
need to eat basis,mostly fish(brain food). I would,can,and will kill
if I needed to eat,but I now consider the pct off limits. I do backup
anyone that wants to exercise there rights,because they have been hard
fought for. These killing and skinning skills are great when in
need,but can leave you so empty inside. So please kill only if
needed,and please dont tell anyone(who cares,keep it a secret),I dont
want to make a choice on who to backup,the rights of my fellow
american or the rights of trailfolk who dont need to be molested with
the thoughts of death in such a lively surrounding(not to mention the
giant stinking pile of vile that will remain). Just something to think
about,do what you gotta do,but Hike on.

On 2/19/11, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
> We had a bear that finally had to be put down... It took almost three days
> to skin and clean... Not pretty, not fun
>
> Btw, no rifle worth owning weighs less than a bear can... Not in a bear
> legal caliber... Not like you can take them with a .22 (legally)  And having
> a rifle doesn't negate the need to have your food in a can... Otherwise it's
> baiting
>
> When we had to shoot a bear we mourned... There is nothing fun or cool about
> it ( not like killing deer jk)
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-02-19, at 9:12 PM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well if this is the case I wonder what it cost to get bear tags and my
>> rifle
>> much lighter than a bear can. Been deer and boar hunting never bears good
>> to
>> know...
>> Gerry0625
>> On Feb 19, 2011 3:08 PM, "sarah estrella" <skestrella at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Up to 1700 bears per year can be killed by hunting in California.  Last
>> year, 1278 were taken.  There may be 30,000 bears in CA.  Interestingly,
>> "No
>> person may take a bear within a 400-yard radius of a garbage dump".
>> Mountain lions are protected in California.
>>> FreeRange
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
>>> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First required place for bear canister
>>>
>>>> I don't think you are allowed to hunt them.  I could be wrong
>>> same with mt
>>>> lions...  they can hunt us though.
>>>>
>>> Gerry0625
>>>> On Feb 18, 2011 10:26 AM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Sounds like CA needs some more bear hunters. We really don't
>>> have those
>>>>> bear problems in AZ, they are hunted and we have a very
>>> healthy population
>>>>> of these wonderful animals. Same goes for the
>>> mountain lions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a
>>> thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Edward
>>> Anderson
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:05 AM
>>>>> To:
>>> Scott Williams
>>>>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First required place for bear
>>> canister
>>>>>
>>>>> There are reported resident bears at both
>>> Joshua Tree Spring and at Golden
>>>>> Oak
>>>>> Spring.  I camped
>>> at both locations.
>>>>>
>>>>> At JTS, when I arrived in 2008, as I
>>> dismounted Primo,  a bear was coming
>>>>> down
>>>>> the hill ,
>>> with resolve, to greet us.  I made a quick decision to
>>>>> immediately
>>> go
>>>>> on the offensive.  I picked up a couple of rocks and ran towards
>>> the bear
>>>>> and
>>>>> shouted at the top of my loudest and
>>> angriest voice - " BEAR, GET OUT OF
>>>>> HERE -
>>>>> GO, GO!"  I
>>> thru the rocks in his direction.  He turned and ran back up
>>>>
>>> the
>>>>> hill as fast as I have ever seen a bear run.  I set up camp, put
>>> out my
>>>> bear
>>>>>
>>>>> charms and had a good nights sleep.
>>> The water is good there with a little
>>>>> grass
>>>>> for
>>> Primo.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Jerry Stone and his crew of volunteers fixed
>>> the flow of Golden Oak
>>>>> Spring
>>>>> early in 2008, they had
>>> camped above the spring at a place that had some
>>>>> grass.
>>>>>
>>> He cautioned me that there were problem bears there.  I camped there and
>>>>
>>> saw
>>>>>
>>>>> none. I had put out my bear charms. Rockstar also
>>> camped there that night.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, Bear
>>> Canisters are not required until you get into the
>>>>> Sierra
>>>>>
>>> National Parks.  And then only in designated areas. This summer I plan
>>> to
>>>>> ride
>>>>> SOBO from Sierra City to either Horsershoe
>>> Meadows or Kennedy Meadows.  I
>>>>> will
>>>>> bring Canisters the
>>> entire distance and also use OpSaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Schroomer,  I will
>>> pick mushrooms and eat lots of trout and think of you.
>>>>
>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> will be taking my time.  In the backcountry I cook
>>> trout three ways:  I
>>>> fry
>>>>> them
>>>>> after coating with
>>> Shake & Bake (I use peanut Oil),  If I am below
>>>> 10,000'
>>>>>
>>> I
>>>>> cook them on coals wrapped in aluminum foil,  I make Trout Stew
>>> -
>>>> delicious!
>>>>>
>>>>> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>>>>>
>>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>>>>> To:
>>> Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
>>>>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; enyapjr at comcast.net
>>>>> Sent: Thu,
>>> February 17, 2011 9:10:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First required
>>> place for bear canister
>>>>>
>>>>> Plain Slice and Little Engine
>>> have bear claw holes in the mosquito netting
>>>>> of their tent courtesy
>>> of a juvenile delinquent bear, because they
>>>> attempted
>>>>> to
>>> camp at Joshua Tree Spring.  Coolest tent decorations on anybodies tent
>>>>
>>> I
>>>>> saw all summer as you can really see the spread of the bears
>>> claws.  It
>>>> was
>>>>> always quite a tourist destination for
>>> newcomers to our camps who marveled
>>>>> at the holes they had stitched
>>> up with yarn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yogi warns against camping here, and
>>> although you'll need the water by
>>>> that
>>>>> point, and it's a
>>> really nice looking camp, the fresh bear scat all around
>>>>> was enough
>>> to make it clear that it is Mr. Bruin's territory, and not
>>>>
>>> ours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shroomer
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 17,
>>> 2011 at 6:38 PM, Jim & Jane Moody
>>>>> <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> It's not required, but I suggest you consider picking it up at
>>> Walker
>>>>>> Pass.  One or more bears hang around Joshua Tree Spring
>>> and Spanish
>>>>> Fingers
>>>>>> creek, looking for a free
>>> lunch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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