[pct-l] Pedometer
Ken and Wanda Brimmer
kbrimmer at cccomm.net
Mon Jan 3 13:13:53 CST 2011
Hi Bruce,
I use an OMRON HJ-303 for urban hiking and with a little patients on
measuring my actual stride, I am able to
walk ten to fifteen miles and have it compare with amazing accuracy to my
GPS. In other words, a pedometer works great for city walking. That having
been said, I've tried using this amazingly accurate device for mountain
trails with absolutely awful results. The packaging actually says that it
won't work for mountain hiking. I have tried several different brands with
basically the same results. My advice is to trust a good map for your
mileage. Whimpie
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> 1. bear bagging (Josie)
> 2. Re: bear bagging (Ron Dye)
> 3. trail angel donations . . . (Paul Robison)
> 4. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 5. Sections P and Q (jomike at cot.net)
> 6. Toe socks (jomike at cot.net)
> 7. bear bagging (jomike at cot.net)
> 8. Re: Toe socks (5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net)
> 9. Re: Toe socks (Lisa Freathy)
> 10. Re: insoles (Peggy Rice)
> 11. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Scott Williams)
> 12. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Paul Robison)
> 13. Re: Toe socks (Paul Robison)
> 14. Re: Insoles (Edward Anderson)
> 15. Re: Toe socks (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 16. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Ron Dye)
> 17. Re: Insoles (Scott Williams)
> 18. Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply (Robert Henry)
> 19. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 20. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 21. Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> (Matthew Edwards)
> 22. Kearsage/Onion Valley (Kevin Cook)
> 23. Re: Toe socks (Tortoise)
> 24. Re: Kearsage/Onion Valley (Bob Bankhead)
> 25. Super Cat stove anyone? (Michael Pinkus)
> 26. Re: Super Cat stove anyone? (John Abela)
> 27. Re: Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> (Bob Bankhead)
> 28. Re: Kearsage/Onion Valley (Alphabetsoup)
> 29. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Bill Burge)
> 30. trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have one?
> (John Abela)
> 31. trail angel donations... (jason moores)
> 32. Onion Valley/Kearsarge (jason moores)
> 33. Re: trail angel donations . . . (giniajim)
> 34. Super Cat stove anyone? (Deems)
> 35. Re: trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have
> one? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 36. Pedometers (treerings at gmail.com)
> 37. Re: Insoles (Timeless Bennett)
> 38. PCT FAQ (PCT List)
> 39. Photographs (Rick Paulus)
> 40. Trail Names (Reinhold Metzger)
> 41. ''Battle of the Sexes'' (Reinhold Metzger)
> 42. PARADE (Reinhold Metzger)
> 43. Re: Pedometers (giniajim)
> 44. Re: bear bagging (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
> 45. Re: Super Cat stove anyone? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 46. Re: Photographs (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 47. Re: ''Battle of the Sexes'' (Ernie Castillo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 11:28:45 -0800
> From: Josie <josie1066 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> OK, I can't resist.
>
> First of all, I totally agree with Ryan's comments about the bears and the
> need to carry a bear canister. But I have to say the best bear prevention
> technique outside of the national parks is the four-legged variety. My dog
> has travelled most of the PCT with us and is now hiking the CDT with my
> husband and I and we have never had a problem with a bear with the dog
> around. Don't get me wrong, if it came down to it a bear could easily kill
> a dog, but they don't like dogs, so they just stay away. We live in Nor.
> Cal and have had more than 50 face-to-face confrontations with bears
> (never lost any food), but all of our bear encounters have been without
> the dog.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:30:53 -0600
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "'giniajim'"
> <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, trailwife at aol.com
> Message-ID: <000a01cbaab3$92295000$b67bf000$@net>
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>
> Well said Scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:26 AM
> To: giniajim
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; trailwife at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
>
> I hate bear cans. I hate the extra weight, and the inconvenience, but I
> love what they've done for my experience of the high country. As it was
> explained to me by a high country ranger near Vogelsang, historically
> there's not been a lot for a bear to eat in the High Sierra, and their
> range
> in summer was primarily at lower and mid range altitudes. In early
> spring,
> they'd go up after winter kill animals, but the salmon runs, herd
> animals,
> acorns, fruits and berries, are all at lower elevations in these
> mountains.
> Before we brought up our wonderful, addictive (that's a good way to put it
> Ryan) human food, they simply didn't have a reason to hang around in the
> really high parts of the Sierra, where you'll be living on the JMT/PCT.
>
> In the 60's and 70's, before the introduction of bear cans, no matter what
> bear bag hanging technique you used, there was always the chance of having
> your trip ruined by marauding, backpacker food, habituated bears. It was
> a
> regular occurrence in Yosemite especially, Kearsarge pass was notorious,
> as
> was Rae Lakes. Stealth camping lowered the chances, but still didn't end
> them. The ranger at Vogelsang explained that because of the introduction,
> and required use of bear cans, the total number of bears in the high
> country
> is much lower again, closer to what it had been historically. And this
> change has occurred quickly. Bears aren't stupid. When we ceased
> bringing
> up easy food, they went back down for the cars in Yosemite Valley, and the
> parking lot at Onion Valley, much more appropriate targets. Now if we
> could
> only bring back the salmon runs....
>
> The change has been noticeable to me just over the past 20 or 25 years,
> and
> I like it. So even though I hate the damn things, I'll use them
> gratefully.
>
> Beautiful YTube video in Ryan's link of Mono Lake, its beauty and its
> critters. If you're new to the Sierra, it's the lake you'll be looking at
> if you hitch down from Tuolumne Meadows to eat at "the Mobil" in Lee
> Vining.
> Check back several weeks on this forum for a long link on this place and
> the great hamburger spot in town. Both are worth the hitch.
>
> Shroomer
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>
> or just if you camp on their lawn?
>
> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> milemarker
> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure out
> about
> this whole trail.
>
> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>
> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> is it
> polite to straight up ask ?
>
>
> thanks for the info,
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear Diane,
>
> Nearly all Americans get back pain from being scrunched over a computer
> monitor or studying books etc. Our backs on not meant to be rounded or
> scrunched. Sit up straight, the tush will round out in the back of the
> chair (especially mine )-: but I've learned to embrace this) elevate your
> abdominal area, keep shoulders back, the upper back should be nearly flat
> and BEND FORWARD AT THE HIP to get close to the book, keyboard or computer
> screen (again the natural curve of the tush will be the only thing
> sticking
> out If I can live with my tush, you can live with yours) Your arms
> should
> hang down naturally slightly on the back half of your body so you will
> have
> to move your keyboard closer.
>
> This actually takes less energy to sit this way as your discs are stacked
> properly and you are not straining the muscles and connective tissue
> supporting the spine. You should be able to sit all day without effort.
> We
> have to earn a living, we just can't hike all day. Very academic people
> have that rounded back from spending long hours over books. Sit properly
> and you really can study or earn a living over a computer screen.
>
> So back flat, BEND AT THE HIP!!!!!!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>> My back hurt from using a computer mouse and sitting all day.
>>
>> My frameless pack was somewhat too heavy and ill-fitting for me and
>> this made my back pretty miserable. First thing I did to help my back
>> was get a better-fitting, more supportive, internal frame pack. I did
>> that in Agua Dulce. It weighed more, but it carried my heavy gear
>> better. My back stopped hurting.
>>
>> On my second hike I lightened my packweight considerably and used
>> another unsupportive, frameless pack. My unsupportive pack still hurt
>> my back. I ended up wedging a stick against my back, between the back
>> pad and the pack. The pain went away. I carried that stick from south
>> of Lone Pine all the way to Canada!
>>
>> So rather than insoles, I would suggest making sure your pack fits
>> well and is supportive for your back.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:55 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> > At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I
>> > walk for
>> > an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
>> > walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes
>> > anyone
>> > recommends? Thanks,
>> > ~Csilla~
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:14:17 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sections P and Q
> To: <completewalker at gmail.com>>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4EF83F4CF5C444F39F37382D5D858081 at arewethereyePC>
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> How nice to hear such positive feedback on my "backyard"!
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:20:30 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <D98C766DBF7F4E51B1A4A2DB61E967AF at arewethereyePC>
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> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:31:44 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <5307F568B6D74EA9AFA26925EC843D7B at arewethereyePC>
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> Said with knowledge, heart and compassion. Thank you.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:33:35 +0000
> From: 5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net
> Cc: Pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <667741318-1294007616-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-951767478- at bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> REI, backcountry.com. Look for sales
> ------Original Message------
> From: jomike at cot.net
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> ReplyTo: jomike at cot.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
> Sent: Jan 2, 2011 14:20
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:02:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net, moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> I have purchased all of mine at REI. I use Injinji brand (not sure if
> there are
> other brands, but I would assume so), they have a website...
> www.injinji.com
>
> My first week long backpack trip left me with 8 out of 10 toes that were
> solid
> blisters. I switched to toe socks for my next hike and?many miles later
> have
> only had one toe blister ever, it was on my pinky toe which tends to hide
> underneath the others. I'm working on that...
> ?Lisa
>
>
> "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
> climb
> a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
> ~ John Muir
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "jomike at cot.net" <jomike at cot.net>
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:20:30 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:40:56 -0800
> From: Peggy Rice <msrice27 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] insoles
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I found that re-distributing my weight in the pack solved most of my back
> pain. I used to put the bear canister at the bottom, but now I put the
> sleeping bag there, and the canister is in the middle. My 0.02 cents
> worth,
>
> Peggy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:41:25 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
> of
> the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the
> last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
> night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
> it,
> and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
> lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>>
>> or just if you camp on their lawn?
>>
>> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
>> milemarker
>> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
>> out
>> about
>> this whole trail.
>>
>> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>>
>> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
>> is
>> it
>> polite to straight up ask ?
>>
>>
>> thanks for the info,
>> ~Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:51:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <224550.62644.qm at web110015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> if 20$ a night is the standard, then i feel fine leaving 50 for a husband
> wife...or more if the food is great...
>
> thanks guys for all the quick replies.
>
> i'll just budget for it just like a planned hotel stay. the motivation
> for all
> this is ifguring out how late i need to work, i didn't want to work right
> up to
> the week i left for the trail, but it's been a hard year for saving money.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 6:41:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought
> of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case of the
> Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to rent
> porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the last
> jump
> toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per night for
> myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous. At
> times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the hikers,
> and
> that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons, Heitmans, and
> all
> the rest should be compensated if you can possible do it, and I'm sure
> they
> won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a tremendous service,
> and
> are really great folks. Also, when being given a lift by someone, ask to
> chip
> in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>>
>>or just if you camp on their lawn?
>>
>>... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
>>milemarker
>>2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure out
> about
>>this whole trail.
>>
>>is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>>
>>people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
>>is it
>>polite to straight up ask ?
>>
>>
>>thanks for the info,
>>~Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:52:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net, moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <48585.86037.qm at web110013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> injinji will replace your toe socks if they ever get holes.
>
> they have several kinds, wool, bamboo, cotton, coolmax polyester, so
> finding
> one to fit your purposes is easy.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "jomike at cot.net" <jomike at cot.net>
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 5:20:30 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:36:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks Melanie,
>
> I really appreciate your tips, as I have experienced lower back pain in
> recent
> years. So, here I am now?sitting at my computer, back straight, bending at
> my
> hips. You have inspired me.
>
> It is interesting that when I am riding a horse?my back does not hurt -
> not even
> during or after?a 50 miler. But, after working at the computer, or after
> watching T.V., it often does. While riding the PCT I had no back pain
> problems -
> no computer there?- or T.V.
>
> I am saving your tips.
>
> MendoRider
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 1:55:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
>
> Dear Diane,
>
> Nearly all Americans get back pain from being scrunched over a computer
> monitor or studying books etc.? Our backs on not meant to be rounded or
> scrunched.? Sit up straight, the tush will round out in the back of the
> chair (especially mine )-: but I've learned to embrace this) elevate your
> abdominal area, keep shoulders back, the upper back should be nearly flat
> and BEND FORWARD AT THE HIP to get close to the book, keyboard or computer
> screen (again the natural curve of the tush will be the only thing
> sticking
> out? If I can live with my tush, you can live with yours)? Your arms
> should
> hang down naturally slightly on the back half of your body so you will
> have
> to move your keyboard closer.
>
> This actually takes less energy to sit this way as your discs are stacked
> properly and you are not straining the muscles and connective tissue
> supporting the spine.? You should be able to sit all day without effort.?
> We
> have to earn a living, we just can't hike all day.? Very academic people
> have that rounded back from spending long hours over books.? Sit properly
> and you really can study or earn a living over a computer screen.
>
> So back flat, BEND AT THE HIP!!!!!!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>> My back hurt from using a computer mouse and sitting all day.
>>
>> My frameless pack was somewhat too heavy and ill-fitting for me and
>> this made my back pretty miserable. First thing I did to help my back
>> was get a better-fitting, more supportive, internal frame pack. I did
>> that in Agua Dulce. It weighed more, but it carried my heavy gear
>> better. My back stopped hurting.
>>
>> On my second hike I lightened my packweight considerably and used
>> another unsupportive, frameless pack. My unsupportive pack still hurt
>> my back. I ended up wedging a stick against my back, between the back
>> pad and the pack. The pain went away. I carried that stick from south
>> of Lone Pine all the way to Canada!
>>
>> So rather than insoles, I would suggest making sure your pack fits
>> well and is supportive for your back.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:55 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> > At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I
>> > walk for
>> > an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
>> > walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes
>> > anyone
>> > recommends? Thanks,
>> >? ? ~Csilla~
>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:37:12 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net
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>
> I find Injinji brand toesocks at my local outfitter and at Foot Rx, which
> I think is a franchise store.? Try your local running shoe store if you
> don't have this retailer.
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jomike at cot.net
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 5:20:30 PM
> Subject: Toe socks
>
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:52:01 -0600
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "'Paul Robison'"
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more because
> (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
> noted
> that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if I
> could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
> pushed
> it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go
> that
> route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did
> notice,
> on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and few
> between.
>
> Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
> Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
> noted
> a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough it
> was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this reflected
> poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at least
> sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> To: Paul Robison
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
> of
> the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the
> last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
> night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
> it,
> and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
> lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>>
>> or just if you camp on their lawn?
>>
>> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
>> milemarker
>> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
>> out
>> about
>> this whole trail.
>>
>> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>>
>> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> is
>> it
>> polite to straight up ask ?
>>
>>
>> thanks for the info,
>> ~Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:19:57 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now than
> it
> was an hour ago.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:43:43 -0800
> From: Robert Henry <rrh.henry at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Has anybody (or group) ever tried to hire the horse packer out of
> Onion Valley to resupply to the PCT? Spendy, I know... I seem to
> recall the term "flake" applied to the packer with the concession out
> of Onion Valley, but maybe that was some other eastern Sierra
> trailhead.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:33:27 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Dear PCT,
>
> I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
> tucking
> my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with pot
> bellies
> extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These people
> need to actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on their
> posterior to make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that most
> physical therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I suffer
> from the "athlete's mentality" If SOME
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now than
>> it was an hour ago.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shroomer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:48:31 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I hit a wrong key and it sent without finishing...
>
> Dear PCT,
>
> I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
> tucking
> my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with pot
> bellies
> extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These people
> actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on their posterior
> to
> make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that most physical
> therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I suffer from the
> "athlete's mentality" If SOME is good MORE must be better. So because a
> little bit of a tuck was good, I assumed a greater pelvic tuck would be
> better and I thought it minimized the look of my hip size. NO, you have
> to
> maintain a "neutral spine". Not too far forward or back.
>
> I do all my yard work with a weight belt that the weight lifters wear.
> This
> tight belt around the waist forces you to elevate the abdominal region the
> way you are supposed to hold your spine. You also need to keep the
> shoulders back and this is the perfect way for proper spinal alignment. I
> always wear a weight belt if I am doing heavy labor or hauling loads.
> When
> we are tired, it is just too easy to slide back into our old "slouching"
> routines and then load the discs improperly. I haven't noticed any
> deterioration of my abdominal muscles.
>
> I'll quit now. Don't encourage me or get me started again.
>
> Melanie
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Melanie Clarke
> <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear PCT,
>>
>> I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
>> tucking my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with
>> pot
>> bellies extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These
>> people need to actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on
>> their posterior to make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that
>> most physical therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I
>> suffer from the "athlete's mentality" If SOME
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Scott Williams
>> <baidarker at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now
>>> than
>>> it was an hour ago.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Shroomer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:38:59 -0800
> From: "Matthew Edwards" <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <7D18567857234CB2A88CC705D60A70BF at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Socks and I went out at Kearsarge pass to resupply on our thru hike in
> 2009.
> I would highly recommend the route. The scenery and switchbacked trail is
> spectacular.
> I think it's called Pothole lake.. It was amazing! The Kearsarge pinnacles
> too.
> Getting a hitch was easy at the dead end trailhead.
> You have the option of Independence, Lone Pine, and even Bishop (as we
> did) for resupply.
> I suppose you could hire a packer to resupply you from Onion valley but..
> why?
> We had just summited Mt. Whitney after coming 700 miles from the Mexican
> border.
> We were like "hiking gods".. toned and trail hardened.
> Kearsarge was ridiculously easy both ways.
> Please understand i am not baggin on your idea.. just providing the
> perspective we had as thru's
> when we reached Kearsarge Pass.
> So many things seem difficult until you actually get there.. Whitney..
> Forrester pass.. Kearsarge.. the other Sierra passes..
> All of them seemed insurmountable back home but when confronted on the
> hike they were challenging but quite do-able... dare i say easy?
> Kearsarge Pass turned out to be a brilliant resupply option for me and
> quite a few other hikers at any rate. YMMV
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:46:21 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Since it's being discussed, I have a question about this this resupply as
> well...
>
> I have a friend hiking the section from KM to Onion Valley with me. He is
> leaving a car at the Trailhead. Can he store food there? I would really
> like
> it if I could resupply without hitching into town. I'm happy to hike over
> Kearsage with him and probably spend the night in the campground, but I'm
> worried about leaving food with bears around. I think someone said there
> are
> bear boxes there for hikers. Can someone confirm this? I've left food in
> boxes for a couple week before, but how safe do you think it will be
> there?
> We're planning about 11 days from KM to OV, so the food would be there ~12
> days or so.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:19:12 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D215C50.4020106 at charter.net>
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>
> I am NOT a foot doctor. However in my experience, a little toe which
> "hides" underneath another toe is a symptom of boots/shoes that are too
> small in the toe area. Most boots and shoes seem to be too small there.
>
> I've switched to New Balance shoes built on the SL2 last which provides
> enough room for my toes and a narrow heel.
>
> I've gone to larger and wider shoes as my feet both have spread with age
> and weight; and are recovering from being squeezed into shoes before I
> knew
> better and found the NBs that fit.
>
> My 2?.
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> Because truth matters! <>
>
> On 01/02/11 15:02, Lisa Freathy wrote:
>> I have purchased all of mine at REI. I use Injinji brand (not sure if
>> there are
>> other brands, but I would assume so), they have a website...
>> www.injinji.com
>>
>> My first week long backpack trip left me with 8 out of 10 toes that were
>> solid
>> blisters. I switched to toe socks for my next hike and many miles later
>> have
>> only had one toe blister ever, it was on my pinky toe which tends to hide
>> underneath the others. I'm working on that...
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile,
>> and climb
>> a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
>> ~ John Muir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "jomike at cot.net"<jomike at cot.net>
>> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
>> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:20:30 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
>>
>> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>>
>> are we there yet
>>
>>
>> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>>
>> John Muir
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:29:51 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: "'Kevin Cook'" <hikelite at gmail.com>, "'PCT Listserve'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Yes, there are bear boxes along the north side of the parking lot, near
> the
> bathrooms. These are for anyone's use. That means no security. Leave
> things
> at your own risk. Put your name and approximate reclaim date on any
> container. Note that these metal boxes are out in the full sun all day, so
> whatever you put in them will get quite hot. There are also bear boxes in
> the USFS campground, but those are strictly reserved for the occupants of
> each site and checked daily by the camp host.
>
> Bears are very active in the parking lots. Do not leave anything with an
> odor in your car, nor anything visible inside....unless you like gambling
> on
> not having your windows ripped out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:31:27 -0800
> From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT127-W40D8D3EA6EF006DE883DDADF070 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
> people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it would
> seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
>
> cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:37:52 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I will just admit that I have been 100% loyal to the MinibullDesign
> mini-atomic
>
> It is a pain in that it requires a stove stand, but if you carry one of
> those caldera cone thingies, throw the mini-atomic under it and you'll
> have
> boiled water before you get your shoes unlaced lol (ok, maybe not)
>
> That said, I am more and more switching the the Esbit Titanium Foldable
> Stove with a couple of esbits. Going this route simply for weight and
> because I am very near to going full on non-cooked meals. I figure at .4
> oz
> onces for the folder stove, and less than an oz for a tablet or two, even
> if
> I do end up wanting to make me some coffee or boiled water, it can easily
> save me 8-15 ounces depending on a traditional stove setup.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Michael Pinkus
> <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
>> people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it
>> would
>> seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
>>
>> cheers,
>> Mike
>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:43:28 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: "'Robert Henry'" <rrh.henry at gmail.com>, "'pct-l'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: pinecreekps at aol.com
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> Spendy? Yes, but you have no idea what they have to go through to get a
> supply box there in the first place. Yhey also have several options that
> let
> you share the cost of an already-scheduled pack train delivery up over the
> pass to the Kearsarge Lakes or even Charlotte Lake. Saves you the walk
> down,
> and back up, the east side of Kearsarge Pass. They are nice people to deal
> with, despite having had their pack station broken into and vandalized by
> hikers in the past. Be advised that they don't usually open the pack
> station
> until late June, so check ahead before shipping anything to them.
>
> Email Danica Berner at pinecreekps at aol.com or call 800-962-0775 for
> current
> resupply pricing and details. This station is not always manned, but they
> will have someone there for your scheduled arrival time. If you miss that,
> they have another way for you to get your box. They will tell you what
> that
> is when you make arrangements with them. Note that I am copying them on
> this
> response so they can be aware of interest generated from the PCT_List
> Forum.
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Robert Henry
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:44 PM
> To: pct-l
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
>
> Has anybody (or group) ever tried to hire the horse packer out of Onion
> Valley to resupply to the PCT? Spendy, I know...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:46:16 -0800
> From: Alphabetsoup <alphabetsoupmmm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Cc: PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Some years ago I worked inside Yosemite Valley for the concession's
> company.
> My home while I lived there was at Curry Village in one of those tent
> cabins. we had bears in the village every night I was there. One day I
> went
> into the little town of Mariposa for the day just so I could get some
> fast
> food. On the trip back I must have inadvertently let some fries get under
> my
> passenger seat. Picture a Suzuki Samurai with a soft top with the
> passenger
> seat ripped out in thousands of pieces for a few stray french
> fries...Luckily, the bear went through the soft top, not the door. Others
> in
> that same parking lot were not so lucky that night, I saw a door bent
> completely in half from the top down and the entire contents of the mini
> van
> destroyed for what looked like to be the remnants of a box of donuts.
>
> A hard lesson, thankfully I didn't suffer the loss of my car.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bob Bankhead
> <wandering_bob at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Yes, there are bear boxes along the north side of the parking lot, near
>> the
>> bathrooms. These are for anyone's use. That means no security. Leave
>> things
>> at your own risk. Put your name and approximate reclaim date on any
>> container. Note that these metal boxes are out in the full sun all day,
>> so
>> whatever you put in them will get quite hot. There are also bear boxes in
>> the USFS campground, but those are strictly reserved for the occupants of
>> each site and checked daily by the camp host.
>>
>> Bears are very active in the parking lots. Do not leave anything with an
>> odor in your car, nor anything visible inside....unless you like gambling
>> on
>> not having your windows ripped out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> *Alphabetsoup*
> *~Soon to be PCT Thru-Hiker April 2011~*
> * www.postholer.com/alphabetsoup*
> *
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:01:53 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> My girlfriend and I have been driving hikers for a couple of years now,
> and we've tried very hard to keep hikers from donating towards gas.
>
> I've been pretty successful, except on my very first day of hiker driving.
> Being a "noob", I made the made the mistake of not having a full tank of
> gas and had to stop to fill up. One old guy forced some money on me try
> as I might to deflect it and...
>
> Hey! I remember YOU / it all clearly now... ;-)
>
> Dude! If I drive you anywhere this time, you better keep your dang hands
> out of your pockets! :-D
>
> I'll see you then. You won't be my first repeat... We were hoping to
> actually be ON the trail this year, but life has a funny way of not
> dealing the cards straight sometimes. Long story, knee surgery involved;
> tell you in May/June!
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Ron Dye wrote:
>
>> I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more because
>> (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
>> noted
>> that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if I
>> could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
>> pushed
>> it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go
>> that
>> route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did
>> notice,
>> on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and few
>> between.
>>
>> Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
>> Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
>> noted
>> a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough it
>> was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this reflected
>> poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at least
>> sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
>> To: Paul Robison
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>>
>> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
>> was
>> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
>> thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
>> of
>> the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
>> rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making
>> the
>> last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
>> night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>>
>> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
>> generous.
>> At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
>> hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
>> Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
>> it,
>> and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
>> tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
>> lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
>>
>> What do others think about amounts.
>>
>> Shroomer
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
>> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>>>
>>> or just if you camp on their lawn?
>>>
>>> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
>>> milemarker
>>> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
>>> out
>>> about
>>> this whole trail.
>>>
>>> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>>>
>>> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
>> is
>>> it
>>> polite to straight up ask ?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for the info,
>>> ~Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:09:01 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have
> one?
> To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hey All,
>
> So, where would be two or three places that it would be amazingly helpful
> to
> have a residential trail angel at, that one does not presently reside at?
>
> Other than the beginning and end of course ;-p
>
> Really been considering moving out of the Redwood forest here in
> WestNorCal
> to somewhere else. Thought I might pick a few places to check out based on
> trail angel needs.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:01:31 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angel donations...
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT126-W10A3138FA7E02B90E325B4C1070 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Molasses and I usually leave $20 a night for each of us.
>
> I find that this amount is a good starting point for a donation. It's all
> subjective: are they giving you rides around town, providing food,
> showers, laundry...?
>
> Keep in mind that money is not the only way that you can pay it back to
> the angels. There is always something that needs to be done at an angel's
> house. Cleaning, maintenance, shopping and such. Give what you can, be it
> money or time, it will be appreciated.
>
> In 2010 Donna put up with myself and four other sick hikers, weeks before
> Hiker Heaven's official opening, for five days. We "tipped" what we could,
> but in the end we all did a little cleaning or yard work and I cooked
> dinner on a few nights for the Saufley's, to give them a break.
>
> Your time can be just as valuable, more so when there are fifty other
> hikers staying at the same place with only a handful of angel's
> ministering to all those needs.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:29:30 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT126-W2685DE4EAF30CF2C3B7B19C1070 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I'll second Iceaxe's praise for resupplying at Kearsarge Pass.
>
> We used Kearsarge in '09 & '10 and found this stretch to be some of the
> most beautiful moments that we have spent on the trail. The Bullfrog
> lakes, Kearsarge Pinnacles, Pothole Lake, the views down Bubb;s Creek
> Valley. In '09 Molasses shot over 100 pics in this area alone.
>
> I won't try to talk ya out of resupplying on the trail, but I could come
> up with plenty of reasons to go out to Onion Valley.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:36:36 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: "Bill Burge" <bill at burge.com>, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <DB4E770405E24B8DA7C1B9BB7CE17186 at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Its great of you to be willing to help on your own dime. A suggestion:
> keep a can or jar labeled with your favorite trail organization, like the
> PCTA; those hikers so inclined can toss a few bucks in there.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Burge
> To: Ron Dye
> Cc: PCT MailingList
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
>
>
> My girlfriend and I have been driving hikers for a couple of years now,
> and we've tried very hard to keep hikers from donating towards gas.
>
> I've been pretty successful, except on my very first day of hiker
> driving. Being a "noob", I made the made the mistake of not having a full
> tank of gas and had to stop to fill up. One old guy forced some money on
> me try as I might to deflect it and...
>
> Hey! I remember YOU / it all clearly now... ;-)
>
> Dude! If I drive you anywhere this time, you better keep your dang hands
> out of your pockets! :-D
>
> I'll see you then. You won't be my first repeat... We were hoping to
> actually be ON the trail this year, but life has a funny way of not
> dealing the cards straight sometimes. Long story, knee surgery involved;
> tell you in May/June!
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Ron Dye wrote:
>
> > I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more
> because
> > (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
> noted
> > that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if
> I
> > could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
> pushed
> > it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go
> that
> > route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did
> notice,
> > on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and
> few
> > between.
> >
> > Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
> > Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
> noted
> > a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough
> it
> > was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this
> reflected
> > poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at
> least
> > sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> > To: Paul Robison
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> >
> > Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion,
> and was
> > more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> > thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the
> case of
> > the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having
> to
> > rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making
> the
> > last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20
> per
> > night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
> >
> > I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> > At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> > hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys,
> Andersons,
> > Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
> it,
> > and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> > tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given
> a
> > lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
> >
> > What do others think about amounts.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> > <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >>
> >> or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >>
> >> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> >> milemarker
> >> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
> out
> >> about
> >> this whole trail.
> >>
> >> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >>
> >> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for
> donations?
> > is
> >> it
> >> polite to straight up ask ?
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for the info,
> >> ~Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:24:32 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4B08884E9C794A1797EFB3F087C589DF at S0029439031>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> What other alcohol stoves are people using?
> Mike
> ~~~^~^~^^^~~^^~^~
> I've been carrying the Pika stove for years. It's a fuel efficient laminar
> flow design, versatile in sizes ranging from solo to group, that you can
> build yourself. I use about 1.25ounces of fuel per day.
> http://users.sisqtel.net/losthiker/pikastove/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:40:35 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angels: where do we need one that we don't
> have one?
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Good morning, John,
>
> One location that comes to mind not so far from you in NW California is
> town
> of Etna where the majority of thru-hikers resupply. The people in this
> small town are great to hikers, but the hitch from Etna Summit to town ?
> and
> eventually return ? is iffy at best. The approximate 10 miles of highway
> from Etna town to Etna Summit is a paved snake-trail that does not see
> much
> traffic at best. Lots of the traffic that does pass is commercial and is
> not allowed to pick up hikers. Some lucky hikers get an instant ride,
> while
> others have to stand around on that dry pass for ? well, much too long. I
> know: Been there ? done that.
>
>
>
> Last summer I hiked the two ?08 fire closures, and for one section I drove
> to Etna before hiking to Seiad. While I stayed in Etna for a day and a
> half
> ? with a car ? I made about a dozen round trips up to the trailhead
> picking
> up and returning hiker-trash. The depth of their gratitude was truly
> wonderful.
>
>
>
> For that Angel support one wouldn?t have to have a hostel-type property,
> only a vehicle ? preferably a van ? and some good books to read while
> waiting at the summit for a hiker to trudge up.
>
>
> Bless you for being willing to help.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:09 PM, John Abela
> <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> So, where would be two or three places that it would be amazingly helpful
>> to
>> have a residential trail angel at, that one does not presently reside at?
>>
>> Other than the beginning and end of course ;-p
>>
>> Really been considering moving out of the Redwood forest here in
>> WestNorCal
>> to somewhere else. Thought I might pick a few places to check out based
>> on
>> trail angel needs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:50:53 -0800
> From: treerings at gmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Pedometers
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> I'm wondering if anyone uses a pedometer to track their miles and if so
> can
> you recommend one or do you use maps to gestimate daily mileage? Thanks.
> -Bruce
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:00:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Timeless Bennett <wehike at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Csilla Tabor <csilla.tabor at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <635255.2248.qm at web120612.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I love Superfeet!
>
> Timeless
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Csilla Tabor <csilla.tabor at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 6:49:25 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Insoles
>
> At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I walk for
> an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
> walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes anyone
> recommends? Thanks,
> ~Csilla~
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>
> Message: 38
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:05:27 -0800
> From: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT FAQ
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> For those of you who are just getting your feet wet, many answers to your
> questions can be found in the PCT FAQ (frequently asked questions):
>
> http://postholer.com/faq.php
>
> The FAQ exists due to the contributions of many members of the PCT
> community, so take advantage of it!
>
> -postholer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:19:05 -0500
> From: Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Photographs
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Happy New Year, everyone! My wife, Julie, and I have been asked to make a
> presentation of our hike to townsfolk here in our little hamlet on Cape
> Cod. As we are gathering good photos for the powerpoint presentation, it
> has come to our attention that just about every photo is of a beautiful
> vista or trail shot. We are sorely missing the daily minutia of daily
> life
> on the trail; dirty feet, blisters, road walks, water caches, ANYTHING
> besides a beautiful mountain scene, which we have plenty of!
>
> If anyone out there has pics of these things that they are willing to
> share
> with us, and our townsfolk, please email them along to me. Thank you so
> very much!
> rspaulus at gmail.com
>
> --
> Rick Paulus
> 12 High Street
> Orleans, MA 02653
> 774-323-0050
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 40
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:39:18 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Names
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Bighummel at aol.com
> Message-ID: <4D1E85C6.7020502 at cox.net>
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> Big Hummel,
> If you teach me rocks....I'll teach you backpacking.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Big Hummel wrote
> "never eat any mushroom unless you know how to tell the poison ones from
> the good ones. If you'll teach me shrooms, I'll teach you rocks!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:03:39 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>,
> Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <4D1E8B7B.40502 at cox.net>
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> Melanie wrote:
> .......I'm the strongest woman I know and stronger than most men my age.
> --------------------------------------
> JMT Reinhold writes:
> Interesting Melanie, very interesting.
>
> I say we put this to the test....I say Melanie and Switchback should
> have an arm wrestling contest at the ''KO'' and settle this issue once
> and for all.
> I am sure ''BRUTE SWITCHBACK'' will be able to prove and uphold man's
> superiority.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:23:09 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PARADE
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>, Deems
> <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>
> Message-ID: <4D1E900D.1050104 at cox.net>
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>
> Well, so long gang.....I'm off to the Rose Bowl Parade.
> I will be thinking about all you "Mountain Boys", shoveling snow while
> I'm soaking up sunshine and admiring
> majorettes.
>
> Aaahhh sunny California.....only in America.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 43
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:04:57 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pedometers
> To: <treerings at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <7B3865A753D0474D85775E1721F07AAF at HomePC>
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>
> I use a pedometer for exercise-tracking purposes, but don't trust it to
> track miles.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: treerings at gmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Pedometers
>
>
> I'm wondering if anyone uses a pedometer to track their miles and if so
> can
> you recommend one or do you use maps to gestimate daily mileage? Thanks.
> -Bruce
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> Message: 44
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:16:42 +0000
> From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Perhaps this could be posted on a monthly basis?
>
> ---- Ryan Christensen <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Kevin,
>
> I have a feeling I may not be the only one to reply to your post-- but I
> suppose
> I will be the first. I was one of those "pesky" rangers asking about bear
> cans.
>>From what you wrote, I can tell that perhaps you have not had the
>>experience
> with bears that many Rangers, including myself have had. At heart,
> Rangers, and
> all these food storage regulations are there to save bears. Bears are
> absolutely
> beautiful creatures with personality and a zest for life. When I worked in
> the
> parks, I was not just hiking through the mountains-- I lived there. I got
> to
> know the bears- their personalities, the quirks, their cubs, parents and
> grandparents-- and gained a very different perspective. If you watch them
> and
> pay attention they very much remind us of ourselves. I have a brief clip
> of a
> video I took of a bear doing bear things here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOTMfnFuc4 Its a little over halfway
> through
> the video.
>
>
> Ursacks were revoked because they have failed in real world situations in
> the
> backcountry. I have had a visitor come out of the backcountry with a torn
> Ursack-- then weeks later at the same location (on the PCT) get the report
> that
> someone had to be helicoptered out because they were clawed by a bear--
> then
> hear the heart breaking story of the bear having to be hunted down and
> killed. I
> have looked into the eyes of a mother bear in a trap, her cub crying next
> to
> her, knowing she had to be killed because of the stupid decisions of
> visitors
> before- who also came and went and did not care enough about the well
> being of
> the bears to properly store their food. The point is: there is a direct
> correlation between a bear getting human food for the first time- the bear
> quickly becoming addicted to human food- the bear loosing their natural
> fear of
> humans- then the bear becoming bolder and more aggressive in its efforts
> to
> continue its addiction to human food-- this pattern continues until
> someone gets
> hurt-- or have to be killed. Night after night, I have chased the same
> bear away
> from food that people have left out-- to eventually learn that it too had
> to be
> killed-- its three cubs shipped out to a Zoo. It is with a sense of
> compassion
> and responsibility that we should be properly storing our food. In my
> opinion,
> its not worth risking the life of a bear to save a few ounces, nor, IMHO
> is my
> food important enough to me that it outweighs the life of a bear. Yes, we
> do
> need containers with 100% impenetrability.
>
>
> About defending your food from a bear: well, that's just simply a very,
> very bad
> idea. That does seem to be a common denominator with many of the bear
> maulings I
> am familiar with in the Sierra-- that and using your food as a pillow,
> which is
> also a very, very bad idea. Know that not all bears are intemidated by
> rocks,
> particularly the ones who have repeatedly gained food from careless
> backpackers-- again, if you had more experience with bears I don't think
> you
> would claim that they retreat when you throw stones, because many don't.
> Also,
> be mindful of throwing those stones- years ago, in Yosemite, a boy scout
> killed
> a bear when he threw a rock at the bear to protect his food. If your food
> was
> properly stored to begin with then there would be no need to "protect"
> your
> food.
>
>
> For the Bears,
>
> ProDeal
>
> www.bristleconemedia.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 45
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:22:21 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Good morning, Mike,
>
> I feel rather manic/depressive about the SuperCat Stove, having made and
> used a half-dozen or more of them over time. Assuming I want to carry a
> stove and enjoy hot food, the (lack of) weight of the SuperCat is truly
> attractive. On the other hand ? the downside ? the stability of the thing
> is very troubling. In use SuperCat is a contact stove. With the pot
> placed
> directly on the stove?s top rim the fuel gasses are forced out the side
> holes to be burned beneath and up the sides of the pot. If the pot does
> not
> remain in contact with the stove it seems thing becomes much less
> efficient.
>
>
>
> Starting any contact-type stove is a bit tedious because even though the
> pool of fuel begins to burn instantly, gasses won?t exit the side holes
> and
> begin burning until the pot is slowly lowered onto the stove top: Lower
> too
> fast and the fire goes out. Lower too slowly and it?s a pain in the butt.
> At
> best it?s a nuisance to bend over and lower the pot, all while peeking
> under
> to judge whether the nearly-invisible flame has spread to burn out the
> side
> holes.
>
>
>
> Once lit and generating it works pretty slick, except the diameter of the
> stove is ? for my clumsy use ? much too small to reliably support a pot.
> Help
> in the form of an auxiliary pot support is not very useful because it is
> then difficult to keep the pot in contact with the stove top, thereby
> assuring efficient gas generation.
>
>
>
> I think about the SuperCat every time I want to cook ultra-lite, but I
> then
> return to a square of solid fuel on a piece of folded aluminum foil on the
> ground with three tent stakes supporting the pot. Both need a foil wind
> screen.
>
>
>
> I use both cat food or pop can stoves. The Trail-Dad cat food stove is
> very
> simple to make, not relying upon the precise hole size and placement
> necessary with the pop can stove. If there is any difference in the fuel
> efficiency or time-to-boil of any of the simple alcohol stoves it?s a
> pretty
> thin point in real practice.
>
>
>
> My preference is to use a regular, non-contact, cat food or pop can
> stove. With
> these stoves I can burn alcohol as intended, or I can turn the stove over
> and place a solid fuel square on its bottom for equally good results. In
> either case the same pot support and wind screen are used.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Michael Pinkus
> <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
>> people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it
>> would
>> seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
>>
>> cheers,
>> Mike
>>
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> Message: 46
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:30:28 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Photographs
> To: Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Good morning, Rick,
>
> The existing PCT Class of ?03, ?04, ?05, ?06, ?07, ?08, and soon-to-be ?10
> photo DVDs are an astounding presentation of what you want. They are a
> mix
> of scenery, flora/fauna, hikers, Angels, both serious and light-hearted.
>
>
>
> Someone can send you copies or they can be downloaded. They are
> specifically not for sale.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year, everyone! My wife, Julie, and I have been asked to make
>> a
>> presentation of our hike to townsfolk here in our little hamlet on Cape
>> Cod. As we are gathering good photos for the powerpoint presentation, it
>> has come to our attention that just about every photo is of a beautiful
>> vista or trail shot. We are sorely missing the daily minutia of daily
>> life
>> on the trail; dirty feet, blisters, road walks, water caches, ANYTHING
>> besides a beautiful mountain scene, which we have plenty of!
>>
>> If anyone out there has pics of these things that they are willing to
>> share
>> with us, and our townsfolk, please email them along to me. Thank you so
>> very much!
>> rspaulus at gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> Rick Paulus
>> 12 High Street
>> Orleans, MA 02653
>> 774-323-0050
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 47
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:41:24 -0500
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
> To: <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>, <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <COL112-W17C6CFDA0BBD1158806B5AD8070 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
> I have never met Melanie nor have I met Switchback. Heck, I haven't even
> seen pictures of them.
> But for what it is worth, I'll put my money on Melanie.
> It's just a hunch.
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980, when the only contests were to see who could eat the
> most Ramen in one sitting.
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:03:39 -0800
>> From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net; melaniekclarke at gmail.com; hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
>>
>> Melanie wrote:
>> .......I'm the strongest woman I know and stronger than most men my age.
>> --------------------------------------
>> JMT Reinhold writes:
>> Interesting Melanie, very interesting.
>>
>> I say we put this to the test....I say Melanie and Switchback should
>> have an arm wrestling contest at the ''KO'' and settle this issue once
>> and for all.
>> I am sure ''BRUTE SWITCHBACK'' will be able to prove and uphold man's
>> superiority.
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>> _______________________________________________
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