[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 5
TOM AND JOANNE BALCOM
tombalcom785 at msn.com
Thu Mar 3 11:08:37 CST 2011
Regarding "back from Canada:"
In 2003, when I reached Stehekin in early September, a fire was burning across the PCT at Harts Pass. The rangers gave me maps of an alternate trail from High Pass. I took the Thunder Creek Trail to Diablo Lake, then hiked about 4 miles east on Hwy 20 to Ross Lake. Then took the East Bank Trail which follows the shoreline of Ross Lake. After about 5 hours, I reached the Lightning Creek Trail Junction. I followed Lightning Creek for a mile or two, then took the Three Fools Trail. The Three Fools Trail is about 25 miles long paralleling the border and ties to the PCT at Castle Pass. In 2003, the trail was not well maintained. It was brushy with a lot of blow downs. It rained all day and when I reached 6000 ft elevation the rain turned to rain-snow mix. I was crossing a prairie and lost the trail as there was also a thick fog coming and going. It took me several minutes to find rock cairns spaced about 100 yds apart to find the trail again.
Diablo Lake has a large campground and it shouldn't be too hard to catch a ride.
Stretch
> From: pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> Subject: Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 5
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:57:02 -0600
>
> Send Pct-L mailing list submissions to
> pct-l at backcountry.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> pct-l-owner at backcountry.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Pct-L digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> GUIDE/PCT HANDBOOK!!!! (J M)
> 2. Re: Bounce Boxes (John Abela)
> 3. Re: Chaos On The PCT (J M)
> 4. Re: Chaos On The PCT (Kevin Cook)
> 5. Re: Warner Springs Address (Halfmile)
> 6. Re: Warner Springs Address (Hillary Schwirtlich)
> 7. Re: Warner Springs Address (Sam Griffin)
> 8. AZDPCTKO (Mia Schleuniger)
> 9. Backtrack from Canada (Alistair Keeys)
> 10. Re: Chaos On The PCT (criosrun at aol.com)
> 11. Early start in Campo in March (Mia Schleuniger)
> 12. Re: Crampons, really? (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 13. Re: Backtrack from Canada (Ernie Castillo)
> 14. Chaos On The PCT (now "Hammock Chaos On The PCT"?)
> (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 15. Oregon Public Broadcasting: PCT story (OABvolunteer)
> 16. Re: AZDPCTKO (Carl Siechert)
> 17. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4 (Seteven Fisher )
> 18. Re: Backtrack from Canada (Gary Wright)
> 19. Ride from San Diego- (Tony Shields)
> 20. (no subject) (david genny)
> 21. Re: Backtrack from Canada (Edward Anderson)
> 22. Spring High Sierra Skills Courses (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 23. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 (Dan Cross-Viola)
> 24. Re: Chaos On The PCT (now "Hammock Chaos On The PCT"?)
> (Crystal Mcdowall)
> 25. Re: Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> GUIDE/PCT HANDBOOK!!!! (Eric)
> 26. Section hike from Warner Springs to Cabazon (nosirreeb)
> 27. One last joke.. (Randy Forsland)
> 28. Re: Chaos On The PCT (David Thibault)
> 29. San Diego Trail Angels (Halfmile)
> 30. Re: Wide shoes? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 31. Re: One last joke.. (Melanie Clarke)
> 32. Transportation (Charles W. Davidson)
> 33. Re: One last joke.. (Gerry Zamora)
> 34. powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup.... (patti kulesz)
> 35. Re: Transportation (Jason Moores)
> 36. Re: Warner Springs Address (patti kulesz)
> 37. Re: Warner Springs Address (Sam Griffin)
> 38. Re: Warner Springs Address (patti kulesz)
> 39. Re: Raingear: Parcho Questions (Ken Marlow)
> 40. ride to Lone Pine (Vicky mattson)
> 41. Re: powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup.... (giniajim)
> 42. Re: powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
> (CHUCK CHELIN)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:04:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> GUIDE/PCT HANDBOOK!!!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <67366.24698.qm at web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'm going to Second David's advice here. I just got my books and they are a
> comprehensive planning tool. She also ships very quickly.
>
> Joyce
>
> "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "dnlcyclone at aol.com" <dnlcyclone at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:55:21 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN GUIDE/PCT
> HANDBOOK!!!!
>
> Seeing a lot of questions on the forum, and justly so. May I suggest, as I have
> before, buying Yogi's PCT Handbook/Town Guide. The pair of books will
> efficiently and conveniently answer all of your questions at a price of
> $40...then you can actually take the books/corresponding pages with you on the
> trip. Most know this, but I didn't before I found out about them. The forum is
> great for up to the minute info, but Yogi really does answer all the questions.
> It saves you time and energy in so many ways. It's not just her opinion;
> rather, she has summoned the opinions of at least 20 thru-hikers and the book
> was updated for the 2010 season. BUY IT. I can't imagine a reason not to.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> David Liechty
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:11:01 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bounce Boxes
> To: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikkm9zpimfyjtMGoc_zFDTxbKQjEsM9Gi7-r8BB at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> >> What do you guys think about using bounce boxes for food and toiletries
> >> re-supply along the entire trail? I live in Canada, and I really dont want
> >> to deal with the hassel of sending food across customs yadda yadda...
> >> My plan is to just load up at the bigger towns, and fire bounce boxes ahead
> >> ful of food and supplies.
> >> Tony
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> If you do not mind eating the lesser quality food you might find along
> the way that is a viable option.
>
> Another option would be to come into the USA a week early with a list
> of what food you want to eat and a list of where to send each box, and
> spend a week buying and shipping. Could either stay at a hiker angles
> house or get a hotel for a week.
>
> Another option would be to contact http://hawkvittles.com/ and have
> him make all of your food and ship it directly from his place.
> Shipping would cost a bit more as he would be shipping from the East
> Coast out to the West Coast, but when I asked him about supporting
> PCT'ers last year and he said he was more than willing to do this.
> And, the finest trail-food I have ever eaten. I have been buying about
> $100 bucks a month from him and storing it up in individual boxes to
> ship out.
>
> I guess it all just depends on your budget and how good of food you want to eat.
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:13:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <700494.5331.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Melanie,
> Sorry I missed meeting you and the rest of the people at the Muir get together
> last weekend. Hopefully I'll meet you at kick off. That being said, I'm a
> Burner. I have been going to Burning Man for years and have never considered it
> within the context of 'classy'. I will tell you though that Burning Man is
> strangely not rowdy. It's colorful, strange, awesome, amazing and many other off
> the hook adjectives but not rowdy. I'm going to try and finish the trail in
> time to go again this year but the trail will dictate
>
> Ciao for now
> Joyce
>
> "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> To: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:21:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
>
> I enjoyed this as well! I've enjoyed the comedy and amused by the
> personalities on the PCT-L.
>
> This is my first Kick Off. How rowdy do these things get? I mean, this
> will be a classier event than Burning Man right? I've never been to Burning
> Man but my neighbor has and I hear the stories...
>
> Melanie
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
>
> > PCT PARTICIPANT PANIC OFFICIALLY SETS IN
> >
> > Western United States - With the arrival of March, the low fever of a
> > few has developed into a full-blown panic of hundreds, as hikers
> > anticipate and prepare for their Pacific Crest Trail departure. Rumors
> > abound of grown men and women sleeping on the floor, walking in the
> > freezing rain, and packing and repacking their gear.
> >
> > Homeland security has gone to alert Orange in response to email chatter
> > about "resupply buckets," "bounce boxes," and, most alarming of all, the
> > best way to "protect my pack" at airport check-in. In an attempt not to
> > alert authorities, suspects are advising their adherents to avoid flying
> > with Bic lighters, hexamine tablets, and isobutane. There appears to be
> > an indecipherable code in use nicknamed
> > ADZPCTKOMYGODMYPACKCANTWEIGHSEVENTEENFRIGGINPOUNDSOMGOMGOMG.
> >
> > Paranormal activity is on the rise as well. Incredible stories of
> > "angels" and "beautiful oases in the desert" and feet spontaneously
> > growing as much as 2 1/2 sizes are rampant.
> >
> > "I don't know what's going on," commented San Diego grocery store owner
> > Sal Fishburn, "but I got these wild-eyed people asking how long my
> > tortillas stay fresh. How should I know? Don't folks just buy them and
> > eat them? Then, those loonies see how many of them they can stuff in
> > this big blue plastic keg thingie. Geez!"
> >
> > Shroomer, Steel-Eye, and Halfmile, whose real names are being withheld
> > pending notification of next of kin, have made valiant attempts to calm
> > raw nerves, to no avail.
> >
> > byline Doug Tow
> >
> > ?This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
> > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
> > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
> > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
> > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete
> > this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are
> > notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in
> > reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:19:18 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Cc: pctl <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTin4EHVFbm1FXxoBW0-9_R1Ojd0rQ2me_rvAzCnG at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hillary, there are "double wide" hammock made for couples, but I've not
> heard good reviews. Haven't bad either, but I don't hear people talk about
> using them much. I don't recommend it. I can't imagine you would sleep well.
> What you can do if you want to hammock with a partner, is share a tree for
> one end. This limits your tree options a little as you now need to find 3
> trees in the right position. Sometimes you can find 4 trees in perfect
> position to hang the hammocks right next to each other. Both of these
> options really only work well in good weather as they negate the ability to
> hang a tarp easily. It can be done though, and someone on hammock forums
> made a tarp specifically designed to cover two hammocks pitched using 3
> trees. I can share the link if you want to see it.
>
> I use straps for my attachment to the trees, as do all the hammockers I
> know. I don't use 2" wide webbing though. My old straps are only 1/2" and
> I've never seen any evidence of damage to the tree, but I'm aware that I
> could be crushing the cambium(?) under the bark. I'm going to have 3/4"
> webbing on the PCT. I've heard of the stick idea too, but never tried it. It
> one of those, "can't hurt, might help" sort of things.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Hillary Schwirtlich <
> hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I never thought about the fact that sleeping in a hammock causes less
> > damage to the ground underneath. That's pretty awesome! I'd consider it if I
> > was going solo, but I couldn't imagine it being easy to fit two people
> > comfortably in a hammock all night. :)
> >
> > Two years ago when I was on a trail crew in Central Washington, both my
> > crew leaders were hammockers. One of the rangers stopped by to visit us and
> > bring us some much-appreciated drinks... and was really interested in one of
> > my crew leaders' hammocks. He asked if my crew leader had thought about
> > doing something to protect the tree from girdling. His advice was to stick
> > some sticks upright in the loop around the tree to minimize the line rubbing
> > into the tree bark. I read on the LNT blog that you're supposed to use 2" to
> > 4" wide straps - they call them "tree saver straps."
> >
> > You all who hammock, what do you think about this?
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is a link to my journal entry where I discuss the reasons why I
> >> choose
> >> to use a tarp and hammock:
> >>
> >> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=4b4f39d5d4dfb3b0b5bbabaa85aa9267&entry_id=19566
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure I posted this here before, or something similar, but it
> >> was
> >> months ago.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Great point, maybe I'll have to give it a try.
> >> >
> >> > Shroomer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:19:37 -0800
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinPWH0btJs_MrLHUMq3upRR_ru6bHA6gihE6NRt at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Sam,
> FYI...Last year a few hikers had issues with packages sent to the
> ranch. I would call the ranch before I sent any packages there.
>
> I think this message is saying to send UPS or Fedex, if true the PO
> Box would not be correct.
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2010-May/037928.html
>
> You can read a bunch more messages about this scattered through the
> postings here:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2010-May/thread.html#start
>
> I plan on sending my package to the Warner Springs Post Office. The
> Warner Springs Ranch has probably fixed any issues they had, but the
> post office is right across the road and won't be passing through on a
> weekend. On my past hikes I have always used the post office without
> any problems.
>
> This is a good time to point out packages should be well sealed in
> good boxes, clearly marked with an ETA and that you are a PCT hiker.
>
> -Halfmile
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> > itself. This is the address I have:
> >
> > c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> > PO Box 10
> > Warner Springs, CA 92086
> > Hold for PCT Hiker
> > ETA 4/30
> >
> > I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> > one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> > Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sam
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:45:47 -0700
> From: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTim8NP+n_BeBi=JCr3n3_7dpHY3T8+QeVotXp90P at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> you may have gotten it from yogi's update on her website.
>
> http://www.pcthandbook.com/uploads/pdf/PCT%20Update%20file%20Feb%207,%202011.pdf
>
>
> That's the address there.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> > itself. This is the address I have:
> >
> > c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> > PO Box 10
> > Warner Springs, CA 92086
> > Hold for PCT Hiker
> > ETA 4/30
> >
> > I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> > one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> > Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sam
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:02:49 -0500
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTin=T6sUp+YVdhRWaADQRTtv79FN99wmyonJGF7M at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Yeah, I did. Makes sense!
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Hillary Schwirtlich <
> hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > you may have gotten it from yogi's update on her website.
> >
> >
> > http://www.pcthandbook.com/uploads/pdf/PCT%20Update%20file%20Feb%207,%202011.pdf
> >
> >
> > That's the address there.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> >> itself. This is the address I have:
> >>
> >> c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> >> PO Box 10
> >> Warner Springs, CA 92086
> >> Hold for PCT Hiker
> >> ETA 4/30
> >>
> >> I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> >> one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> >> Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Sam
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:12:48 -0800
> From: Mia Schleuniger <miaschleuniger at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] AZDPCTKO
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <COL107-W39A7F39343AA726A163075D9C10 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> When is registration for the AZDPCTKO?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:40:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Alistair Keeys <alistairkeeys at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <36503.36202.qm at web121107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hey all,
>
> I've been a reader of this list for sometime and finally have the time/means to
> attempt a thru hike. My projected start date is sometime in the beginning of
> May. My only issue is that I got a DUI and probably can't enter Canada legally
> and don't know if trying my luck getting back into the US is worth it. A week or
> so ago someone mentioned a backtrack route from the border to Ross Lake, then to
> HWY 20. I was just wondering if there is any public transport from Ross Lake
> back to a larger town where I can catch a Greyhound back to San Diego? Also, how
> would I acquire a map of the trail to Ross Lake- trail 749 if memory serves? Any
> information helps and any alternate backtracking routes are certaily welcome.
>
>
> I am looking forward to meeting you all on the trail, and can't wait to get
> going!
>
> Thanks much,
> Alistair
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:28:05 -0500 (EST)
> From: criosrun at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: melaniekclarke at gmail.com, DTow at americanriverbank.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CDA6B1BD968837-1D0C-16DD2 at webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> howdy, new to the list. want to attend the Kick Off. a dumb question for all. what is the date for the KO. i will not be doing a thru hike. but will hike until time to get off the trail as i need to be in Colorado on June 25. planing to hike the JMT late July.
> thanks,
> chris rios, ridgecrest, ca.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> To: Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
>
>
> I enjoyed this as well! I've enjoyed the comedy and amused by the
> personalities on the PCT-L.
>
> This is my first Kick Off. How rowdy do these things get? I mean, this
> will be a classier event than Burning Man right? I've never been to Burning
> Man but my neighbor has and I hear the stories...
>
> Melanie
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
>
> > PCT PARTICIPANT PANIC OFFICIALLY SETS IN
> >
> > Western United States - With the arrival of March, the low fever of a
> > few has developed into a full-blown panic of hundreds, as hikers
> > anticipate and prepare for their Pacific Crest Trail departure. Rumors
> > abound of grown men and women sleeping on the floor, walking in the
> > freezing rain, and packing and repacking their gear.
> >
> > Homeland security has gone to alert Orange in response to email chatter
> > about "resupply buckets," "bounce boxes," and, most alarming of all, the
> > best way to "protect my pack" at airport check-in. In an attempt not to
> > alert authorities, suspects are advising their adherents to avoid flying
> > with Bic lighters, hexamine tablets, and isobutane. There appears to be
> > an indecipherable code in use nicknamed
> > ADZPCTKOMYGODMYPACKCANTWEIGHSEVENTEENFRIGGINPOUNDSOMGOMGOMG.
> >
> > Paranormal activity is on the rise as well. Incredible stories of
> > "angels" and "beautiful oases in the desert" and feet spontaneously
> > growing as much as 2 1/2 sizes are rampant.
> >
> > "I don't know what's going on," commented San Diego grocery store owner
> > Sal Fishburn, "but I got these wild-eyed people asking how long my
> > tortillas stay fresh. How should I know? Don't folks just buy them and
> > eat them? Then, those loonies see how many of them they can stuff in
> > this big blue plastic keg thingie. Geez!"
> >
> > Shroomer, Steel-Eye, and Halfmile, whose real names are being withheld
> > pending notification of next of kin, have made valiant attempts to calm
> > raw nerves, to no avail.
> >
> > byline Doug Tow
> >
> > ?This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
> > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
> > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
> > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
> > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete
> > this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are
> > notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in
> > reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:22:33 -0800
> From: Mia Schleuniger <miaschleuniger at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Early start in Campo in March
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <COL107-W118EEC204355F93A6C86A1D9C00 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Is anyone planning to start at the Mexican border in March? I know its early but I'm sectioning the first 3 or 4
> legs and would like to hike the border with other hikers.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:50:40 -0800
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crampons, really?
> To: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>, "Scott Williams"
> <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <968D33BF812D460193A291FF63DE85D2 at PacificCrestPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Let's say it for the last time this pre-season: NO
>
> Authentic, climbing-quality 10 or 12-point crampons are not only not needed
> and over-kill but are dangerous in the thru hiker application.
>
> Traction aides like the Katoola Microspikes
> http://www.kahtoola.com/microspikes.php may help in dealing with early
> morning crusty conditions on the flats or slight inclines and on glare ice
> on the flats. As Katoola says, "they're ideal for anything from wet rocks to
> slick sidewalks and icy driveways, or even the added confidence that comes
> along with extra traction on the trail."
>
> What concerns us as Wilderness Skills Educators, here at Mountain Education,
> is how they perform when you are using them beyond their intended scope, as
> when ascending on a crusty morning's traverse to a Sierra Pass, your ankle
> rocks over downhill, and you have to make a wild step to catch your balance,
> relying on that rubber band that holds the chains around your shoes to stay
> in place. We hope to be testing both the Microspikes and KTS devices this
> spring on the snow and typical ice of the southern PCT, so we'll let you
> know afterward what we thought of them. Until then, something is better than
> nothing. That leaves only one other problem,
>
> Wet snow build-up between the spikes. When not on ice or crusty conditions
> where the snow is really cold, warmer, wet snow tends to ball-up between
> lugs in your boots and, in this case, spikes on your crampons (whether you
> have the microspikes or the KTS variety). We've even had softball-sized
> masses under our feet in these conditions. Now, keep in mind that on some
> mornings you will often walk between ice/crust and sunny/wet snow as you go
> from sun to shade to sun. The traction aide device will be no good to you in
> this typical springtime situation; as a matter of experience, if this starts
> happening to you, take them off and route-find around any icy conditions if
> you can (stay in the sun, follow the ridge, etc).
>
> So, please, folks, you do not need full-on crampons in the springtime
> Sierra!
> What you will need is to learn how to safely navigate and travel over snow,
> ascend, traverse, and descend, and cross creeks.
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wide shoes?
>
>
> >I was looking at the NB MW955 walking shoe. But now im thinking boots
> >since
> > im pretty sure most of my hike will be in snow. Any suggestions on a good
> > boot? Are cramp on's needed in the big bear area? Was up there last week
> > there is alot of snow.
> > On Mar 1, 2011 5:27 PM, "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> For Trail Runners, the Montrail Sabino's are really wide. I used them for
> >> almost 2,000 miles and still hike in them.
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:23:33 -0500
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
> To: <alistairkeeys at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <COL112-W50DE0BF6DAC158D77421B7D8C00 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I, too, am a frequent reader of this distribution list and enjoy the wonderful wealth of information it contains.
>
> I also have noticed, as with other mediums, that sometimes the truth can get stretched and distorted.
>
> For instance, are you absolutely certain that just because you have been arrested in the United States for driving under the influence that Canada will deny you entry? Have you gone through the official process and explained what your purpose is for entering Canada. (example: "After finishing a thru-hike of the Pacific Crest Trail, I want to sign the registry at Manning Park, take a hot shower at the lodge, eat a meal or two, and plan my return to the United States by available means of transportation.")
>
> Ernie Castillo
> erniec01 at hotmail.com
> 248 884 5201
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:40:45 -0800
> > From: alistairkeeys at yahoo.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've been a reader of this list for sometime and finally have the time/means to
> > attempt a thru hike. My projected start date is sometime in the beginning of
> > May. My only issue is that I got a DUI and probably can't enter Canada legally
> > and don't know if trying my luck getting back into the US is worth it. A week or
> > so ago someone mentioned a backtrack route from the border to Ross Lake, then to
> > HWY 20. I was just wondering if there is any public transport from Ross Lake
> > back to a larger town where I can catch a Greyhound back to San Diego? Also, how
> > would I acquire a map of the trail to Ross Lake- trail 749 if memory serves? Any
> > information helps and any alternate backtracking routes are certaily welcome.
> >
> >
> > I am looking forward to meeting you all on the trail, and can't wait to get
> > going!
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Alistair
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:35:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT (now "Hammock Chaos On The PCT"?)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <188594897.1725280.1299098150881.JavaMail.root at sz0027a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> > There are places you cannot hang a hammock....
>
> But more places than many would think - & it doesn't have to be 'in trees' necessarily, either...
> If there are two support points an appropriate distance apart with sufficient ground clearance in
> the middle, one can hang a hammock...
> Actually, more times than not, it's much easier to find a 'camp' (hang) spot for a hammock than it
> is a flat space large enough for a tent (but also why I was mostly a tarp camper prior to 'hanging'
> - easier to find a suitable sleeping bag sized spot than a tent sized one!).
> A tarp is also part of a total hammock set-up, so one would still have bad weather 'shelter' if
> needed when 'going to ground' if desired or forced to do so...
>
> > Last year hiking with John he had a hammock and slept on the ground every night of the 6 in a
> > row we camped together
>
> Perhaps at the time he was more satisfied with enjoying your company instead of the comfort of
> hanging in his hammock solo camping...
>
> > ...they call them "tree saver straps."
> > You all who hammock, what do you think about this?
>
> Same as Kevin - all the hangers I know use "tree huggers"... All of mine are 1" polyester straps -
> soft enough they don't cut into the bark, and definitely don't harm the cambium layer whatsoever...
> It would be nice if the Lake Morena rangers would let one or two hangers 'demonstrate' that hammocking
> using tree huggers does not damage trees (especially oaks!) - perhaps allowing hammocks during ADZ in
> the future provided tree huggers are used...
>
> Besides Kevin ("Hayduke"), I believe "shybird" wants to hammock the PCT this year, too...
> I hope to see/meet both in far NorCal when I'm 'hanging' around the PCT for 3 weeks!!
>
> Happy trails!!! (and Happy Hanging!!!)
> Jim (PITA)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:44:16 -0800
> From: OABvolunteer <OABvolunteer at opb.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Oregon Public Broadcasting: PCT story
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <226A9AC38AD6C84FA31361088365669D6B651A3DDA at flanders.opb.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> OPB is doing a story on thru-hikers from Oregon attempting a 2011 PCT thru-hike.
>
> If you or someone you know is attempting a PCT thru-hike this year, lives in Oregon, and would be willing to help with this story, please email me.
>
> Thanks,
> Nate
>
>
> Nathan Appy
> Oregon Art Beat Volunteer
> Oregon Public Broadcasting
> www.opb.org/artbeat
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:47:43 -0800
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] AZDPCTKO
> To: Mia Schleuniger <miaschleuniger at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=mf3BYPGCFiNa6SG9q-FhJx+1Zy=3b=_JZ_HnU at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> "usually begins in February or March." Since we didn't make February, it'll
> be March. ;-)
>
> Word will go out via Twitter (@adzpctko) and PCT-L, or you can keep checking
> the website to see if anything has changed: http://pct77.org/adz
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Mia Schleuniger <miaschleuniger at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > When is registration for the AZDPCTKO?
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:49:28 -0800
> From: "Seteven Fisher " <sfisher at pubdef.lacounty.gov>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <5F5136A72FA648ADA28DCC89EE5A5179 at Pubdef.co.la.ca.us.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Does any one know if arthroscopic meniscectomy surgery repair will
> interfere with my hiking the JMT every summer. I have to have the repair and
> am concerned that if I continue hiking long distances over and down Sierra
> Passes the wear on my knee with less cartilage will result in bone on bone.
>
> Please,any input on this subject will be very much appreciated. Thanks,Fish.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:00 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
>
> Send Pct-L mailing list submissions to
> pct-l at backcountry.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> pct-l-owner at backcountry.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Pct-L digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Warner Springs Address (James F. Miller)
> 2. Re: Chaos On The PCT (Scott Williams)
> 3. Re: Chaos On The PCT (Kevin Cook)
> 4. Re: Bounce Boxes (Kevin Cook)
> 5. Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN GUIDE/PCT
> HANDBOOK!!!! (dnlcyclone at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Chaos On The PCT (Hillary Schwirtlich)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:02:48 -0800
> From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY147-w46C9FA51F03BC20F4DA806CAC00 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> You have the same address I have..
>
> so it must be good.
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:36:20 -0500
> > From: samgriffin4 at gmail.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> > itself. This is the address I have:
> >
> > c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> > PO Box 10
> > Warner Springs, CA 92086
> > Hold for PCT Hiker
> > ETA 4/30
> >
> > I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> > one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> > Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sam
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:08:02 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "<dtow at americanriverbank.com>"
> <dtow at americanriverbank.com>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimdpGd0_8Wbmbr2bQQVkbSHWnKKePUnKo4OHmHe at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Great point, maybe I'll have to give it a try.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:16:38 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "<dtow at americanriverbank.com>"
> <dtow at americanriverbank.com>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimWFiFwxOn_D-q=Vc_3GpqOJ5dOB0vT5R=zW_M_ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Here is a link to my journal entry where I discuss the reasons why I choose
> to use a tarp and hammock:
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=4b4f39d5d4dfb3b0b5bbabaa85a
> a9267&entry_id=19566
>
> I'm pretty sure I posted this here before, or something similar, but it was
> months ago.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great point, maybe I'll have to give it a try.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:54:33 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bounce Boxes
> To: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimapS6L__vQ+hUALkPYdcbCbz8To=oVSpfHLimp at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> That's a pretty popular method of resupplying. Even the folks that buy
> everything along the way will buy extra in some towns and ship it ahead.
>
> I'll probably use a bounce box for consumables I can't/won't buy in small
> sizes, ie olive oil, powdered milk, toiletries, etc. I'll also have a
> charger for my camera batteries in there. I'm not 100% sure I'll use one
> though as I will have my wife shipping me boxes along the way.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you guys think about using bounce boxes for food and toiletries
> > re-supply along the entire trail? I live in Canada, and I really dont want
> > to deal with the hassel of sending food across customs yadda yadda...
> >
> > My plan is to just load up at the bigger towns, and fire bounce boxes
> ahead
> > ful of food and supplies.
> >
> > Thanks for the input-
> >
> > Tony
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:55:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: dnlcyclone at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> GUIDE/PCT HANDBOOK!!!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CDA71A218D2135-197C-B75C at Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Seeing a lot of questions on the forum, and justly so. May I suggest, as I
> have before, buying Yogi's PCT Handbook/Town Guide. The pair of books will
> efficiently and conveniently answer all of your questions at a price of
> $40...then you can actually take the books/corresponding pages with you on
> the trip. Most know this, but I didn't before I found out about them. The
> forum is great for up to the minute info, but Yogi really does answer all
> the questions. It saves you time and energy in so many ways. It's not just
> her opinion; rather, she has summoned the opinions of at least 20
> thru-hikers and the book was updated for the 2010 season. BUY IT. I can't
> imagine a reason not to.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> David Liechty
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:59:42 -0700
> From: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pctl <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikUSjbgFjkxKnnwLnYBXmm4rpnSQenaE5=WF637 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I never thought about the fact that sleeping in a hammock causes less damage
> to the ground underneath. That's pretty awesome! I'd consider it if I was
> going solo, but I couldn't imagine it being easy to fit two people
> comfortably in a hammock all night. :)
>
> Two years ago when I was on a trail crew in Central Washington, both my crew
> leaders were hammockers. One of the rangers stopped by to visit us and bring
> us some much-appreciated drinks... and was really interested in one of my
> crew leaders' hammocks. He asked if my crew leader had thought about doing
> something to protect the tree from girdling. His advice was to stick some
> sticks upright in the loop around the tree to minimize the line rubbing into
> the tree bark. I read on the LNT blog that you're supposed to use 2" to 4"
> wide straps - they call them "tree saver straps."
>
> You all who hammock, what do you think about this?
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is a link to my journal entry where I discuss the reasons why I
> choose
> > to use a tarp and hammock:
> >
> >
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=4b4f39d5d4dfb3b0b5bbabaa85a
> a9267&entry_id=19566
> >
> > I'm pretty sure I posted this here before, or something similar, but it
> was
> > months ago.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Great point, maybe I'll have to give it a try.
> > >
> > > Shroomer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 4
> ************************************
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:32:29 -0500
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
> To: Alistair Keeys <alistairkeeys at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <49F63276-C66D-4A18-BDF0-F6AE38B92CA3 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Alistair Keeys wrote:
> > A week or
> > so ago someone mentioned a backtrack route from the border to Ross Lake, then to
> > HWY 20. I was just wondering if there is any public transport from Ross Lake
> > back to a larger town where I can catch a Greyhound back to San Diego? Also, how
> > would I acquire a map of the trail to Ross Lake- trail 749 if memory serves? Any
>
> This Trails Illustrated Map covers the area:
>
> http://www.natgeomaps.com/ti_223
>
> Radar
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:34:44 -0700
> From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride from San Diego-
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=YKmaW9hQyz4+qdYMjaDriW8a4imv2xPUpv+gM at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thought I would throw it out there-
>
> Anyone willing to drive three Canadian boys to the trailhead from San Diego
> on May 5th? We would definitely be willing to pay and would be very
> greatful!
>
> I know there is a bus, but I thought I would ask just incase-
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:55:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: david genny <bobbers530 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <802189.92449.qm at web161710.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> - Awesome thanks every bit of in sight helps, I cant wait to get this adventure started
>
>
>
>
>
> Hope this helps, I live on the eastern city limit of San Diego (in the
> small city of La Mesa), with quick freeway access, and on the way to
> Campo/Lake Morena:? If in a non-rush hour kind of thing it takes me
> about a half hour to go west to the airport. I used to commute east to
> Lake Morena at 50 minutes, add-on another 15 minutes or so of slower
> driving for Campo/finding the southern PCT terminus.? Travel time is
> based on taking Interstate 8 to Morena/Campo (suggested). It would be
> significantly greater taking the winding Hwy 94.
>
> -Ken M.
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 5:37 PM, david genny wrote:
>
> >
> I was thinking about flying into San Diego instead of trying to drive
> all the way to campo ( I live in redding ca 1hour from mt.shasta )? and I
> was wondering if all the equipment I want to bring and my pack will be a
> problem on an airplane.. and also how long does it usually take to get
> to campo from san diago? -thanks David
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:32:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
> To: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <517265.77740.qm at web111613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Gary.? Another possibility is to do what I did.? After reaching the border
> monument?I rode back to Mazama where I had last parked my rig.?Mazama is 18.7
> miles (on road 5400)?east of Harts Pass and?is about 1/2 mile?off Highway 20.?
> I'm sure you would be able to avoid the 18.7 mile walk?by hitching down to
> Mazama. Hitching west from there, on Highway 20, would not be difficult.
>
> Have a great hike,
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> To: Alistair Keeys <alistairkeeys at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 1:32:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backtrack from Canada
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Alistair Keeys wrote:
> >? A week or
> > so ago someone mentioned a backtrack route from the border to Ross Lake, then
> >to
> >
> > HWY 20. I was just wondering if there is any public transport from Ross Lake
> > back to a larger town where I can catch a Greyhound back to San Diego? Also,
> >how
> >
> > would I acquire a map of the trail to Ross Lake- trail 749 if memory serves?
> >Any
> >
>
> This Trails Illustrated Map covers the area:
>
> http://www.natgeomaps.com/ti_223
>
> Radar
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:44:26 -0800
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Spring High Sierra Skills Courses
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
> Message-ID: <FDB056DF51D641BFA328CD162F94C34E at PacificCrestPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Mountain Education has often been asked if they would branch out their on-trail skills instructional trips to include Spring/Summer. Since what we do is to teach you how to be safe out there, to include:
>
> - Safety planning, training, and consideration before your trip (to also include re-supplies and emergency situations),
> - How to deal with following a trail buried under snow, below and above timberline, ascent, traverse, and descent,
> - On-trail safety hazards, whether snow-related or dealing with mud, flooded trail, nasty creek crossings, environmental awareness, fire-related, flora and fauna issues, food and camp safety, and personal requirements (like LNT and sanitation),
>
> we are considering offering a series of Spring/Summer Skills Training trips (of up to three weeks in length) to help thru hikers (and of course other backpackers, too!) realize what it exactly "takes" to navigate the High Sierra, especially if they are thinking of doing a Long Trail in their future.
>
> Would this be of interest?
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Cross-Viola <dan_cross43 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <768408.53095.qm at web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Ben,
> ?
> I too have super wide feet.? Not sure if you were looking for shoe or boot suggestions, but I wear a 4E Asics GT-2150 and the width is great - widest shoes I've ever seen!? I'm planning on using them?for my thru-hike, see how?it goes with the?first pair and?then decide whether or not to continue?with the same.? They're great for running and hiking around, but I haven't put the stress of backpacking long distances on them yet.? The width is mainly in the toe box, so if you need it elsewhere they might not be the best for you.
> ?
> Good luck!
> ?
> Bear Can
>
> --- On Wed, 3/2/11, pct-l-request at backcountry.net <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:46:42 -0800
> From: Ben Crowell <pctcrowell11 at lightandmatter.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]? Wide shoes?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20110302064642.GB15549 at lightandmatter.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> After democracy comes to North Africa, maybe we can get justice for
> geeks, gays, southpaws, atheists, and people with wide feet.
>
> I generally hike in New Balance running shoes. The 883 is available
> in wide sizes.
>
> I've been experimenting with Chacos as an alternative to NB running
> shoes. Once in a while I get annoying pebbles underfoot, but I love
> the fact that there is simply no way to get blisters on my pinkie toes.
>
> >I was looking at the NB MW955 walking shoe. But now im thinking boots since
> >im pretty sure most of my hike will be in snow.
> My experience with snow travel is limited, but in my experience there
> is not much distinction between a running shoe and a hiking boot. The
> issue is more about whether you have an ice ax and whether you're using
> crampons -- and what kind of crampons. If conditions are too icy early
> in the morning, you can always consider waiting until later in the
> day to cross a high pass.
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:26:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Crystal Mcdowall <crystal_mcdowall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT (now "Hammock Chaos On The
> PCT"?)
> To: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Cc: email forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <957395.38362.qm at web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hey, I'll be using a hammock also this year. In places you can't hang them, you
> can set them up like a tent using your hiking poles. Okay, the hammock's pretty
> new,and I've only used it a few times, but so far I love it! I was kinda
> wondering why there hasn't been more hammock discussions on here. Are there
> areas other that Lake Morena where we can't hang them?
>
> ~Crystal
>
> from: "enyapjr at comcast.net" <enyapjr at comcast.net>
>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:35:50 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT (now "Hammock Chaos On The PCT"?)
>
> > There are places you cannot hang a hammock....
>
> But more places than many would think - & it doesn't have to be 'in trees'
> necessarily, either...
> If there are two support points an appropriate distance apart with sufficient
> ground clearance in
> the middle, one can hang a hammock...
> Actually, more times than not, it's much easier to find a 'camp' (hang) spot for
> a hammock than it
>
> is a flat space large enough for a tent (but also why I was mostly a tarp camper
> prior to 'hanging'
> - easier to find a suitable sleeping bag sized spot than a tent sized one!).
> A tarp is also part of a total hammock set-up, so one would still have bad
> weather 'shelter' if
>
> needed when 'going to ground' if desired or forced to do so...
>
> > Last year hiking with John he had a hammock and slept on the ground every night
> >of the 6 in a
> >
> > row we camped together
>
> Perhaps at the time he was more satisfied with enjoying your company instead of
> the comfort of
>
> hanging in his hammock solo camping...
>
> > ...they call them "tree saver straps."
> > You all who hammock, what do you think about this?
>
> Same as Kevin - all the hangers I know use "tree huggers"... All of mine are 1"
> polyester straps -
> soft enough they don't cut into the bark, and definitely don't harm the cambium
> layer whatsoever...
> It would be nice if the Lake Morena rangers would let one or two hangers
> 'demonstrate' that hammocking
>
> using tree huggers does not damage trees (especially oaks!) - perhaps allowing
> hammocks during ADZ in
> the future provided tree huggers are used...
>
> Besides Kevin ("Hayduke"), I believe "shybird" wants to hammock the PCT this
> year, too...
> I hope to see/meet both in far NorCal when I'm 'hanging' around the PCT for 3
> weeks!!
>
> Happy trails!!! (and Happy Hanging!!!)
> Jim (PITA)
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:32:24 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> GUIDE/PCT HANDBOOK!!!!
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimu4MOoTrH-=fodBPK_FAYs38KkCGQ4KxKLqzgL at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Another thumbs up for Yogi's Guide. Answered pretty much every question I
> had, minus a few specific ones. Lots of good advice, love the town data.
> Shipped the same day I ordered, at my door in less than 2 days! Well done
> miss Yogi!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to Second David's advice here. I just got my books and they are a
> > comprehensive planning tool. She also ships very quickly.
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "dnlcyclone at aol.com" <dnlcyclone at aol.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:55:21 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Questions, questions, questions...BUY YOGI'S TOWN
> > GUIDE/PCT
> > HANDBOOK!!!!
> >
> > Seeing a lot of questions on the forum, and justly so. May I suggest, as I
> > have
> > before, buying Yogi's PCT Handbook/Town Guide. The pair of books will
> > efficiently and conveniently answer all of your questions at a price of
> > $40...then you can actually take the books/corresponding pages with you on
> > the
> > trip. Most know this, but I didn't before I found out about them. The
> > forum is
> > great for up to the minute info, but Yogi really does answer all the
> > questions.
> > It saves you time and energy in so many ways. It's not just her opinion;
> > rather, she has summoned the opinions of at least 20 thru-hikers and the
> > book
> > was updated for the 2010 season. BUY IT. I can't imagine a reason not to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > David Liechty
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us.
> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:34:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: nosirreeb <nosirreeb at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Section hike from Warner Springs to Cabazon
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <731015.30605.qm at web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hope this helps ...
>
> Bus service to/from Rte S2/S22, just south of Warner Springs, Thursdays only:
> http://www.sdmts.com/mtscr/Route.aspx?r=892
>
> Bus service to/from Scissors Crossing, Fridays only:
> http://www.sdmts.com/mtscr/Route.aspx?r=891
>
>
> Bus service to/from Cabazon/Banning, connect to Riverside Transit in Banning:
> http://www.ci.banning.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=351
> http://www.riversidetransit.com/downloads/routes_pdf/210.pdf
>
> Taxi: AA Inland Empire Taxi
> http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/AA.Inland.Empire.Taxi.909-405-0505/map
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:53:23 -0800
> From: Randy Forsland <hikertrsh at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] One last joke..
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinHcibSjwD9WfuNRf0UKT+W7SDkb9ROMvhv_Kv9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Switchback had worked hard his whole life....
> Finally sick of the stress he quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in
> Alaska as far from humanity as possible. He sees the postman once a week and
> gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's total peace and quiet.
> After six months or so of almost total isolation, someone knocks on his
> door. He opens it and a huge, bearded man is standing there.
> Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a Christmas
> party Friday night. Thought you might like to come. About 5:00.'
> 'Great', says Switchback, 'After six months out here I'm ready to meet some
> local folks. Thank you.'
> As Lars is leaving, he stops. 'Gotta warn you, Gonna be some drinkin'.'
> Not a problem,' says Switchback. ' I can drink with the best of 'em.'
> Again, the big man starts to leave and stops. 'More'n' likely gonna be some
> fightin' too.'
> 'Well, I get along with people, but if I need to, I can go toe to toe with
> anyone. I'll be there. Thanks again.'
> 'More'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too,'
> 'Now that's really not a problem,' says Switchback, warming to the idea.
> I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there.' 'By the way,
> what should I wear?'
> 'Don't much matter. Just gonna be the two of us.'
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:09:25 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chaos On The PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTik_Za+MaMf63CtT4k8O-EvuUCw4vMq_wBaJEzFe at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Although I have not been to Burning Man I can safely say that KO is nothing
> like it.
>
> At KO it is quiet by 9 PM. It is a very laid back event - but a great event
> cause all the folks there are into hiking and the PCT.
>
> If you desire to party you typically have to head out to a designated area
> away from the general area - I think it is about a 1/2 mile away. I've
> never made it over there yet - maybe I'm getting too old (or too wise).
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>
>
>
> > This is my first Kick Off. How rowdy do these things get? I mean, this
> > will be a classier event than Burning Man right? I've never been to
> > Burning
> > Man but my neighbor has and I hear the stories...
> >
> > Melanie
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:19:47 -0800
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] San Diego Trail Angels
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=VN4GdW7SnmM4R-zDK6347rkbhpMSB6vaikz3S at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> We will be hosting PCT hikers and offering rides again this year from
> our apartment in Chula Vista, eight miles south of San Diego.
>
> We can offer hikers a deluxe air mattress in our spare room or a sofa
> to sleep on, help with last minute errands, and early morning rides to
> the PCT. Because of work schedules and rush hour gridlock we may not
> always be able to pick you up at the airport, but a $5 bus/trolley
> ride goes from the airport or Amtrak station directly to our door. If
> you prefer the privacy of your own motel room, we can recommend nearby
> motels and help with errands and transportation to the trail.
>
> We will be hiking April 16 through April 24th, so we can't help then.
> Maybe we will see you on the trail.
>
> Email [halfmile at pctmap.net] and let us know how we can help.
>
> -Halfmile and Deb
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:37:55 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wide shoes?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CA132E22-F66C-4FDF-A576-4B0D4825BD67 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Chacos are great. I didn't know this until recently, but they
> actually make them in wide widths. The wides are hard to find. The
> wides solved my blister problems in my heels. More room for my heel.
> If you wear them with socks, you can hike and hike and hike in
> comfort. However, the end of a long hiking day will feel pretty
> painful. So if you plan high milage days, you might be in pain (of
> course, who isn't?). Crow alternates between Chacos and New Balance
> shoes each day to keep her feet happy for her big milage days.
>
> I wore them on the JMT last summer between Bishop Pass and Duck Pass.
> They do not work very well on snow. Snow collects under the toes
> making it hard to walk.
>
> I also had trouble with falling down often. I don't find the traction
> of Chacos to be very good. I'll just be walking along and then woosh!
> Suddenly I'm on the ground. I looked pretty scary cool with all the
> bloody scrapes on my legs, but otherwise, didn't appreciate the
> experience. I've considered having my Chacos resoled with Vibram
> Kletter soles. I seem to be the only person who suffers from the lack
> of traction. Others think the traction is good.
>
> Diane
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:52 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > I've been experimenting with Chacos as an alternative to NB running
> > shoes. Once in a while I get annoying pebbles underfoot, but I love
> > the fact that there is simply no way to get blisters on my pinkie
> > toes.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:52:45 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One last joke..
> To: hikertrsh at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimv_CmywbeWZF5KQPXdx1T44KLpCzaGQUhCSWYX at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Saved the best for last!
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Randy Forsland <hikertrsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Switchback had worked hard his whole life....
> > Finally sick of the stress he quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in
> > Alaska as far from humanity as possible. He sees the postman once a week
> > and
> > gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's total peace and quiet.
> > After six months or so of almost total isolation, someone knocks on his
> > door. He opens it and a huge, bearded man is standing there.
> > Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a Christmas
> > party Friday night. Thought you might like to come. About 5:00.'
> > 'Great', says Switchback, 'After six months out here I'm ready to meet some
> > local folks. Thank you.'
> > As Lars is leaving, he stops. 'Gotta warn you, Gonna be some drinkin'.'
> > Not a problem,' says Switchback. ' I can drink with the best of 'em.'
> > Again, the big man starts to leave and stops. 'More'n' likely gonna be some
> > fightin' too.'
> > 'Well, I get along with people, but if I need to, I can go toe to toe with
> > anyone. I'll be there. Thanks again.'
> > 'More'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too,'
> > 'Now that's really not a problem,' says Switchback, warming to the idea.
> > I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there.' 'By the way,
> > what should I wear?'
> > 'Don't much matter. Just gonna be the two of us.'
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:24:11 -0500
> From: "Charles W. Davidson" <chaseat99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Transportation
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D6F09DB.2010003 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I plan to finish up the JMT mid September. After that I
> would like to hike the PCT north from Yosemite for about a month or
> around 500 miles. Whats the typical weather? I will fly out to Reno for
> the JMT. What are my options for getting off the trail somewhere around
> Old Station or Burney and getting to which airport and flying home. I
> suppose I could bus back to Reno.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions
> chase
>
> --
> http://postholer.com/chaseat99
> http://picasaweb.google.com/ChaseAT99
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:07:49 -0800
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One last joke..
> To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinwwmiDxDLkfonM09=TQ5__pChGd0J+-CkVfDp_ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Too funny.
> On Mar 2, 2011 6:52 PM, "Melanie Clarke" <melaniekclarke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Saved the best for last!
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Randy Forsland <hikertrsh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Switchback had worked hard his whole life....
> >> Finally sick of the stress he quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in
> >> Alaska as far from humanity as possible. He sees the postman once a week
> >> and
> >> gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's total peace and quiet.
> >> After six months or so of almost total isolation, someone knocks on his
> >> door. He opens it and a huge, bearded man is standing there.
> >> Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a
> Christmas
> >> party Friday night. Thought you might like to come. About 5:00.'
> >> 'Great', says Switchback, 'After six months out here I'm ready to meet
> some
> >> local folks. Thank you.'
> >> As Lars is leaving, he stops. 'Gotta warn you, Gonna be some drinkin'.'
> >> Not a problem,' says Switchback. ' I can drink with the best of 'em.'
> >> Again, the big man starts to leave and stops. 'More'n' likely gonna be
> some
> >> fightin' too.'
> >> 'Well, I get along with people, but if I need to, I can go toe to toe
> with
> >> anyone. I'll be there. Thanks again.'
> >> 'More'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too,'
> >> 'Now that's really not a problem,' says Switchback, warming to the idea.
> >> I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there.' 'By the
> way,
> >> what should I wear?'
> >> 'Don't much matter. Just gonna be the two of us.'
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:52:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
> To: pctl <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <756129.48262.qm at web161410.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> OMG! this is heaven on the trail....cheese sauce powder...num num num!
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/bfeno1/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
>
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 22:59:21 -0700
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Transportation
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=2f3KB6jymcQy0UL2tqRa5hzpeLdzwkORYEax- at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> You can catch a bus in Burney that runs down to Redding. I believe that it
> runs twice a day.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Charles W. Davidson <chaseat99 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I plan to finish up the JMT mid September. After that I
> > would like to hike the PCT north from Yosemite for about a month or
> > around 500 miles. Whats the typical weather? I will fly out to Reno for
> > the JMT. What are my options for getting off the trail somewhere around
> > Old Station or Burney and getting to which airport and flying home. I
> > suppose I could bus back to Reno.
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestions
> > chase
> >
> > --
> > http://postholer.com/chaseat99
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/ChaseAT99
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 22:27:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <125319.4721.qm at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just some FYI...I don't suggest mailing any packages to the ranch. Last year,
> they placed all the resupply boxes right next to the hiker box. myself and a
> few others had our boxes rummaged through and not just food but also some gear
> stolen. They weren't very helpful when this occurred either and told us that
> they did it this way for many years with no issues. Didn't even offer us a soda
> much less something to eat after we reported all our food was gone. They may
> have changed their procedure since then but be weary. Losing ur food and gear
> while hiking and being in the middle of no where in a rinky dink town is NO FUN!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 8:36:20 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> itself. This is the address I have:
>
> c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> PO Box 10
> Warner Springs, CA 92086
> Hold for PCT Hiker
> ETA 4/30
>
> I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sam
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 01:36:43 -0500
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimAKoyhV1jp2b9EkX-b=h5gxCQmDdfvyusry4MN at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Yeah I heard about something similar happening, or just issues in general. I
> think I'm going to use the PO. I was originally going to resupply at the
> C-store, but an update on Yogi's site warns against that. That really sucks
> that hikers would help themselves to peoples boxes/gear, especially if
> someone's name is on it with "Hold for PCT hiker," "ETA," ect. Figured I
> wouldn't have to look out for people like that. Or maybe I'll just rig my
> boxes with bear mace traps.
>
> Anyhow, thanks for the heads up,
>
> Sam
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:27 AM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Just some FYI...I don't suggest mailing any packages to the ranch. Last
> > year, they placed all the resupply boxes right next to the hiker box. myself
> > and a few others had our boxes rummaged through and not just food but also
> > some gear stolen. They weren't very helpful when this occurred either and
> > told us that they did it this way for many years with no issues. Didn't even
> > offer us a soda much less something to eat after we reported all our food
> > was gone. They may have changed their procedure since then but be weary.
> > Losing ur food and gear while hiking and being in the middle of no where in
> > a rinky dink town is NO FUN!
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> > * *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> >
> > *To:* pct-l at backcountry.net
> > *Sent:* Tue, March 1, 2011 8:36:20 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> > itself. This is the address I have:
> >
> > c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> > PO Box 10
> > Warner Springs, CA 92086
> > Hold for PCT Hiker
> > ETA 4/30
> >
> > I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> > one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> > Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sam
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 22:50:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <683172.5622.qm at web161413.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> yeh one would think that other hikers would figure it out but they didn't and
> claimed b/c it was next to the hiker box and they thought a hiker got off trail
> and gave it away, which in a way I understand, but not really. I would never go
> without questioning all that gear in one box for free. Food maybe but not $500
> worth of gear...no way!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 10:36:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
>
> Yeah I heard about something similar happening, or just issues in general. I
> think I'm going to use the PO. I was originally going to resupply at the
> C-store, but an update on Yogi's site warns against that. That really sucks that
> hikers would help themselves to peoples boxes/gear, especially if someone's name
> is on it with "Hold for PCT hiker," "ETA," ect. Figured I wouldn't have to look
> out for people like that. Or maybe I'll just rig my boxes with bear mace traps.
>
> Anyhow, thanks for the heads up,
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:27 AM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Just some FYI...I don't suggest mailing any packages to the ranch. Last year,
> they placed all the resupply boxes right next to the hiker box. myself and a
> few others had our boxes rummaged through and not just food but also some gear
> stolen. They weren't very helpful when this occurred either and told us that
> they did it this way for many years with no issues. Didn't even offer us a soda
> much less something to eat after we reported all our food was gone. They may
> have changed their procedure since then but be weary. Losing ur food and gear
> while hiking and being in the middle of no where in a rinky dink town is NO FUN!
> >
> >Sugar Moma
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> >
> >To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 8:36:20 PM
> >
> >Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> >
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone could give the mail drop address for the ranch
> >itself. This is the address I have:
> >
> >c/o Warner Springs Ranch
> >PO Box 10
> >Warner Springs, CA 92086
> >Hold for PCT Hiker
> >ETA 4/30
> >
> >I've been planning for so long that I can't remember/find where I got this
> >one. In the guide book the PO box is box 399, not 10. Can't find one in
> >Yogi's manuals either. Hmmmm....
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Sam
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Pct-L mailing list
> >Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> >List Archives:
> >http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:11:43 -0800
> From: Ken Marlow <pcthiker at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Raingear: Parcho Questions
> To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E7CCE9E9-5F56-4EF4-BC4A-F572BFBF67D4 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Thanks Steel-Eye, this helped-out a lot! The Parcho definately looks like a well thought-out piece of gear (thanks for turning me on to it). I switched to silnylon poncho and umbrella a few years ago, a great way to go in most conditions. The sleeves interior pocket and zipper of the Parcho really caught my eye as a great refinements of that system. Looks like I'll take the plunge and plan on breaking the sewing machine out!
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
>
> > Good morning, Ken,
> > Greetings from the normally-rainy Pacific Northwest. I regret the slow response to your Parcho question, but just as I was formulating a response we experienced a significant heavy, wet, snow event that caused my area to lose electrical power for most of a day.
> >
> > Here?s probably more than you want to know about my Bilgy Parcho: Traditionally there?s a gear raffle at the annual American Long Distance Hiking Association ? West (ALDHA-W) Gathering. http://www.aldhawest.org/ Anyone can donate items for the raffle ? members, vendors, etc. ? and it?s a good opportunity for Gathering participants to buy tickets and score some good stuff. The raffle rules may vary, but for several of the Gatherings the holder of the first ticket to be drawn got first choice of anything on the prize tables, with the second ticket choosing second, etc. One year Bill Gurwell, AKA ?Bigly?, a Triple-Crowner and gear innovator, very generously donated a Parcho to the raffle. I spotted it right away, and kept my fingers crossed. Fortunately, I had an early ticket selected so I immediately snapped it up.
> >
> > The Parcho that Bigly had at the Gathering was like a ?floor sample? -- not the correct size for me -- so he measured my chassis while I was wearing an ultralite pack borrowed from one of the vendors to emulate my GoLite Breeze. I totally relied upon his experience to provide the correct size, and a few weeks later my custom-built model arrived in the mail. My only involvement in the project was after-the-fact application of seam sealer. I couldn?t be happier. If/when this one ever goes belly-up for some reason I will make or buy a replacement.
> >
> > There are some sizing attributes of the Parcho that contribute to its usefulness. A good feature of the Parcho is the looseness that provides ventilation. It is somewhere between poorly-ventilating fitted rain gear tops/bottoms, and a well-ventilated ? but very floppy ? poncho. Contributing to this ventilation is the fact that the bottom side of the sleeve ?arm pits? hang down approximately to wrist level.
> >
> > Specific to your posted question, my arms can freely move sideways and forward as far as I can reach while the ?points? of the sleeve-ends continue to cover my gloved hands. I can raise my arms sideways to about 5 degrees below horizontal with the slack in the sleeves, after which continued lifting of the arms easily raises the lower hem of the body a few inches without binding.
> >
> > Perhaps even more important to this sleeve configuration is the ease with which I may withdraw my arms from the sleeves and into the body of the Paracho. This is every bit as easy as withdrawing arms inside a common poncho, but something not possible when wearing fitted rain gear tops/bottoms. Adjacent to the Parcho?s front zipper are two very large ? and valuable -- interior breast pockets; well protected from rain. Once my hands/arms are inside the Parcho there is very easy ? and dry ? access to these pockets, as well as access to the small waist packet that contains my camera. Items carried in the interior breast pockets are gloves, handkerchief, snacks, maps, etc.
> >
> > Another sizing-related feature is the space inside the body of the Parcho that allows me to be totally covered while sit on the ground, or on a rock or a stump, with my horizontal thighs or with my legs crossed.
> >
> > There are two features of the Parcho that I may not replicate if/when I make a replacement: One is the adjusting Velcro taps on the back and sides of the hood. They seem to work fine, but I?ve never found a need to use them. Another feature is the small, lite, sewed-in stuff sack attached to the inside of the Parcho adjacent to the left-hand breast pocket. It works fine, but in practice I just stuff the Parcho into one of the breast pockets instead. This makes a larger, but more compliant and more easily packed, module.
> >
> > Stay dry,
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 40
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:24:49 -0500
> From: Vicky mattson <vicky.mattson at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ride to Lone Pine
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=g+qR53CSFRfOQn8gh+aZWXAH0KULrDBTAL33y at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> My husband is going to hook up with us (Vicky and Stellarjay) at Lone Pine
> in early June. We will need to leave our car somewhere or get him a ride
> from Fresno airport. Will any of you be able to help us hook up?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:16:26 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple
> syrup....
> To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "pctl"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <EDD7D758EB744ED3B9568C11B3F0DBDF at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> This is from a source named "Barry Farms". Anyone have any experience with them? They seem to carry a wide variety of food ingredients (flours and such).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patti kulesz
> To: pctl
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:52 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
>
>
> OMG! this is heaven on the trail....cheese sauce powder...num num num!
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/bfeno1/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
>
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:57:01 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple
> syrup....
> To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pctl <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=Wd9-O12rk-9er1zQghy5+nOBFLk-0x18Z43zH at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Good morning,
>
> I?m not experienced with that particular supplier, but I can attest to the
> usefulness ? and deliciousness ? of powdered cheese and powdered butter from
> other sources. I reconstitute it with water, but it really tastes better if
> mixed with oil.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:16 AM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > This is from a source named "Barry Farms". Anyone have any experience with
> > them? They seem to carry a wide variety of food ingredients (flours and
> > such).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: patti kulesz
> > To: pctl
> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:52 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
> >
> >
> > OMG! this is heaven on the trail....cheese sauce powder...num num num!
> >
> > http://shop.ebay.com/bfeno1/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
> >
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pct-L mailing list
> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
>
> List Archives:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
>
>
> End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 5
> ************************************
More information about the Pct-L
mailing list