[pct-l] FW: first night out

[Kevin Renfrow]

It's been mentioned a few times, so I'll keep it short. Personally, I plan
to just take bear mace, and, heaven forbid I run into the most unlikely and
unfortunate situation, I will use that to defend myself against human
aggressors.

Peace,
Kevin

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dan, speak softley but carry a big stick.
> On Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com> wrote:
> > Gerry - I have carried a gun in the backcountry since I was 16 years old,
> > going on 50. It is just how I was raised, not a big deal. Hope for the
> best
> > and plan for the worst. I have never brandished it against a human or
> > threatened with it in any way (close on a few occasions). It is concealed
> so
> > that people are not uncomfortable. I have a CCW etc. but will NOT take a
> > gun on the PCT due to the potential legal issues in CA. I think in most
> > cases for most people they are better off without one (absolutely if you
> are
> > not well trained and that is a tall order) and certainly better off not
> > showing open carry as that guy is usually the 1st one shot by the bad
> guy.
> > Proper/accessible concealed carry is the only way to go, if you are very
> > well trained. Unless you are a cop or in the military etc., most people
> are
> > not very well trained, even if they think they are.
> >
> > If anyone is remotely considering bringing a firearm then I would
> strongly
> > recommend you take a full CCW class, preferable taught by a law
> enforcement
> > professional. You will really want to leave it home then.
> >
> > I do feel that there is a legitimate concern about the southern section
> of
> > the trail and that is unfortunate. But we live in the real world. I am
> > concerned as I have seen what goes on our southern border in AZ and it is
> > bad stuff. If there are illegal groups as described south of Lake Moreno
> > then it seems like the Border patrol should just be camped at Hauser
> Creek,
> > and perhaps they are. It is absurd that to me that we should have to feel
> > uncomfortable camping there.
> >
> > This will be my 1st trip without a gun and I hope to get comfortable with
> > that. Still taking the big knife though, baby steps.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Jeff Judd
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:28 PM
> > To: Gerry Zamora
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >
> > Gerry,
> >
> > I'm sure this is an ongoing debate with people firmly rooted on either
> side,
> > so
> > I will not attempt to change anyone's mind in earnest.
> >
> > I would ask though: do you normally bring a firearm with you on day
> hikes,
>
> > overnight car camping, or short backpacking trips? If you do, then I can
> > see
> > the logic behind bringing a gun on the PCT as well. However, if you
> > normally
> > day hike et al without a gun, I guess I just don't understand what makes
> > the
> > PCT different in that regard. It's not like you're backpacking through
> gang
> >
> > territory. I day hike on the PCT quite a bit in SoCal. It seems like any
> > other
> > perfectly safe trail to me.
> >
> >
> > I guess I'm just not sure what worries you about the PCT that having a
> gun
>
> > resolves. If it's mugging or something I would contend that you should
> keep
> > a
> > gun on you at all times as you're more likely (which even still is not
> > likely at
> > all) to be mugged in your daily life than on the trail.
> >
> > To each their own, just thought I'd throw out my hypothetical two cents.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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