[pct-l] packing a gun
TOM AND JOANNE BALCOM
tombalcom785 at msn.com
Fri Mar 18 21:44:00 CDT 2011
For those of you who are thinking of carrying a gun, the gun itself is probably 3 to 4 lbs, then the amo is going to be another 1 to 2 lbs unless you are carrying a 22 then why bother. When I thru hiked in 03 I hiked 1800 miles alone, camping near someone else maybe 6 or 8 times. The only time I worried was in Northern Ca when I could hear pickups traveling the dirt roads near the trail. When the trail would cross the roads I would cross quickly and get back in the timber. If you were to run into some weirdo who may be guarding his pot farm, just remember his gun will most likely be bigger than yours.
Stretch from 03
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:27:18 -0700
> From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: "'Gerry Zamora'" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, 'shelly skye' <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
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> That is probably true. I know the drug runners and human smugglers will be
> as well as some hikers.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Gerry Zamora [mailto:gerry0625 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:08 AM
> To: dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com
> Cc: shelly skye; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] first night out
>
>
>
> Ya I know the laws that's why I asked as fire arms are not allowed in most
> nat'l forrest in cali hence my question to yogi about carrying a gun on her
> hip but as someone pointed out she was mostlikely kidding. As far as I know
> there would be no legal way to do this. Even with the laws in place some
> how I doubt I will be the only one packing.
> Gerry0625
>
> On Mar 17, 2011 10:34 AM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com> wrote:
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeff Judd <frotiss_lupus at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Gerry,
>
> I'm sure this is an ongoing debate with people firmly rooted on either side, so
> I will not attempt to change anyone's mind in earnest.
>
> I would ask though: do you normally bring a firearm with you on day hikes,
> overnight car camping, or short backpacking trips? If you do, then I can see
> the logic behind bringing a gun on the PCT as well. However, if you normally
> day hike et al without a gun, I guess I just don't understand what makes the
> PCT different in that regard. It's not like you're backpacking through gang
> territory. I day hike on the PCT quite a bit in SoCal. It seems like any other
> perfectly safe trail to me.
>
>
> I guess I'm just not sure what worries you about the PCT that having a gun
> resolves. If it's mugging or something I would contend that you should keep a
> gun on you at all times as you're more likely (which even still is not likely at
> all) to be mugged in your daily life than on the trail.
>
> To each their own, just thought I'd throw out my hypothetical two cents.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> To: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:38:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> That's what im getting frm most people. They are not comfortable with a gun
> so it poses a danger to them instead of the intended saftey so long story
> short if I want everyone to be happy leave the gun home if I want to feel
> safe bring it I figure if u can't see it you wont be scared and atleast ill
> feel safe and well since u don't know I have a gun so will u. HYOH, YMMV,
> IMHO, YADA YADA YADA.
> GERRY0625
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:30:16 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks Yogi. Enjoy your hike I guess this is how the HYOH, IMHO, YMMV, And
> all that good stuff TETO. TO EACH THEIR OWN!
> GERRY0625
> On Mar 17, 2011 1:19 PM, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
> > I'm licensed to carry in all 50 states and won't carry a firearm. There
> > simply isn't a need.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Cosmic Cat
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:59 AM
> > To: Gary Swing
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >
> > IMHO if you conceal, it is next to useless.
> >
> > But if you carry in the open, people will be put off. I ran into a guy at
> > Bagby Hot Springs that was carrying an assault rifle to 'protect his
> kids'.
> > His presence made me extremely uncomfortable. Perhaps that was the
> > intention.
> >
> > Goodness
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Gary Swing
> > <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I packed a gun for a while on the Virginia section of the AT, but it was
> >> made out of plastic and used water for ammunition.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >> To: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:00 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> >> plus
> >> a backup strapped around my ankle.
> >>
> >> yogi
> >> www.pcthandbook.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Just wondering does anyone bring a gun? Wild life is not a concern but
> >> > people that's another story.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:32:04 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Jeff Judd <frotiss_lupus at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On day hikes no if im staying 1 night or more then yes I do bring it.
> On Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM, "Jeff Judd" <frotiss_lupus at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Gerry,
> >
> > I'm sure this is an ongoing debate with people firmly rooted on either
> side, so
> > I will not attempt to change anyone's mind in earnest.
> >
> > I would ask though: do you normally bring a firearm with you on day hikes,
>
> > overnight car camping, or short backpacking trips? If you do, then I can
> see
> > the logic behind bringing a gun on the PCT as well. However, if you
> normally
> > day hike et al without a gun, I guess I just don't understand what makes
> the
> > PCT different in that regard. It's not like you're backpacking through
> gang
> > territory. I day hike on the PCT quite a bit in SoCal. It seems like any
> other
> > perfectly safe trail to me.
> >
> >
> > I guess I'm just not sure what worries you about the PCT that having a gun
>
> > resolves. If it's mugging or something I would contend that you should
> keep a
> > gun on you at all times as you're more likely (which even still is not
> likely at
> > all) to be mugged in your daily life than on the trail.
> >
> > To each their own, just thought I'd throw out my hypothetical two cents.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > To: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:38:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >
> > That's what im getting frm most people. They are not comfortable with a
> gun
> > so it poses a danger to them instead of the intended saftey so long story
> > short if I want everyone to be happy leave the gun home if I want to feel
> > safe bring it I figure if u can't see it you wont be scared and atleast
> ill
> > feel safe and well since u don't know I have a gun so will u. HYOH, YMMV,
> > IMHO, YADA YADA YADA.
> > GERRY0625
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Ride Board
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Did I just miss it, or is there no Ride Board on this year's ADZPCTKO?registration site?? I always offer rides down and back but don't see anywhere to put down my contact info.? If anyone has seen where, please direct me to the right page.? Thanks
> ?
> Shepherd
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:47:13 -0700
> From: "greg mushial" <gmushial at gmdr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 35
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:00:38 -0500
> > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> > To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTinssPvMy0C8d-h_Sw+akLuiMQ8eyw2jOiZFUqYj at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> > plus
> > a backup strapped around my ankle.
> >
> > yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
>
> ;-) on
>
> Maybe we'll have to start a discussion as to an appropriate UL sidearm -
> clearly a 76oz 450 Marlin BFR wouldn't be a UL choice... but maybe if it's
> not in one's pack but on one's hip, then such wouldn't affect one's BPW...
> right?
>
> ;-) off
> TheDuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, Cosmic Cat
> <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>, Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> there really isnt and it's that much extra weight and space ur taking up for
> something better...like GS cookies!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> To: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>; Gary Swing
> <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 1:19:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> I'm licensed to carry in all 50 states and won't carry a firearm. There
> simply isn't a need.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Cosmic Cat
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:59 AM
> To: Gary Swing
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> IMHO if you conceal, it is next to useless.
>
> But if you carry in the open, people will be put off. I ran into a guy at
> Bagby Hot Springs that was carrying an assault rifle to 'protect his kids'.
> His presence made me extremely uncomfortable. Perhaps that was the
> intention.
>
> Goodness
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Gary Swing
> <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > I packed a gun for a while on the Virginia section of the AT, but it was
> > made out of plastic and used water for ammunition.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> > To: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:00 AM
> >
> >
> > Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> > plus
> > a backup strapped around my ankle.
> >
> > yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Just wondering does anyone bring a gun? Wild life is not a concern but
> > > people that's another story.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:59:57 -0400
> From: <abiegen at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] first night out
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
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> Hi Gerry,
>
> Piper and I got a late start back in 2008 because we just couldn't wait to get started hiking. That put us in the twilight for most of our hike that day. I wasn't afraid of illegals as it seems only reasonable that none of them would come across the border with a gun. Almost all are just looking for work in the US. The drug running and gun running doesn't take place on the PCT. Drugs and Guns are too heavy. Would someone try to sneak some of your food or water? That's a possibility, but would you feel okay with shooting someone for that?
>
> I was somewhat afraid of all the attention that our late start gave to the border patrol. They were circling overhead probably trying to figure out if we were illegals or not. Most thru-hikers hike during the day, not the evening so I guess we looked suspicious. I wouldn't like to have to try to explain myself with loaded guns pointing at me (something I have innocently had to do three times in my life). They did not send anyone out after us. We found a little hollow off the trail where we had just enough room for our tent and stayed there. We did hear feet pattering by, but no one stopped.
>
> In 2010 we started early and we saw evidence of illegals, mostly their clothes and little sandals they discarded. I ran into the border patrol on the trail but they were very friendly. Asked if I had seen any illegals and I could honestly say no. Later I did see a straw hat hinging in a tree but not its owner.
>
> We were not the only ones to start late in 2008 as we later met Clockwork Orange who was just a little ahead of us. You can always go to the monument and wait until someone shows up. You might feel more comfortable hiking with others at the beginning.
>
> Your gun may make you feel secure early on in your hike but it is highly likely that after a short while you will realize you don't need it. At the very least, when you get to the Canadian border you are going to want to ditch it. Then what do you do with it? Can you send your gun through the mail along with ammunition or are you stuck with it for the duration? Would you feel comfortable doing that? If you own a gun you probably know more than I about what is allowable.
>
> Best,
>
> TrailHacker
>
> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:05:02 -0400
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6C37717C-48D6-48B3-9129-75B87C82CA8E at yahoo.com>
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> I carry daily at my job... And am a huge supporter of responsible use...
> ... But a gun on the PCT is unneeded and unnecessary ...
>
> But if I were a solo female I might feel differently...
>
> TO THE OP:
> I would definitely find a place to stay in campo for the night and get an early start the next day... The hiking from he border to lake Moreno is quite easy and pleasant... Sleep in moreno your first night and however far you get past there you'll be well past the 'threat'. The ones who make it that far have their own provisions.
>
> Last year I ran into some border patrols at scissors!!! I asked them why no one ever asked for my id or info and he said "buddy there ain't a mexicAn on the planet with trekking poles". ...as someone not from the area the racism of his statement really struck me... He made me more nervous than any Latinos we saw.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-03-17, at 4:19 PM, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm licensed to carry in all 50 states and won't carry a firearm. There
> > simply isn't a need.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Cosmic Cat
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:59 AM
> > To: Gary Swing
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >
> > IMHO if you conceal, it is next to useless.
> >
> > But if you carry in the open, people will be put off. I ran into a guy at
> > Bagby Hot Springs that was carrying an assault rifle to 'protect his kids'.
> > His presence made me extremely uncomfortable. Perhaps that was the
> > intention.
> >
> > Goodness
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Gary Swing
> > <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I packed a gun for a while on the Virginia section of the AT, but it was
> >> made out of plastic and used water for ammunition.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >> To: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 11:00 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> >> plus
> >> a backup strapped around my ankle.
> >>
> >> yogi
> >> www.pcthandbook.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just wondering does anyone bring a gun? Wild life is not a concern but
> >>> people that's another story.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:09:53 -0700
> From: "Lance Marshall" <lancem at wvi.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Ride Board
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <D5A71D60271F4E24ADA04C5E6BEF449E at lancedesktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It's there! From the Home page, Chose 'ADZPDTKO 2011' on the horizontal
> navigation bar at the top, then from the ADZPCTKO 2011 page, chose 'RIDE
> BOARD' on the left vertical navigation bar.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:23:43 -0700
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 35
> To: "'greg mushial'" <gmushial at gmdr.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <DFF05D85A72D42E09D6C2D5F8F6B9068 at RonPC>
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>
> So, to calculate your base weight, the actual weight of your bazooka counts
> but the back-up ammunition doesn't since it's a consumable?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of greg mushial
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 35
>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:00:38 -0500
> > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> > To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTinssPvMy0C8d-h_Sw+akLuiMQ8eyw2jOiZFUqYj at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> > plus
> > a backup strapped around my ankle.
> >
> > yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
>
> ;-) on
>
> Maybe we'll have to start a discussion as to an appropriate UL sidearm -
> clearly a 76oz 450 Marlin BFR wouldn't be a UL choice... but maybe if it's
> not in one's pack but on one's hip, then such wouldn't affect one's BPW...
> right?
>
> ;-) off
> TheDuck
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:27:26 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] one person tent
> To: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <5F86EFE4-00ED-4DC8-B7EE-06025F0735F4 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Oh you are right! I get them mixed up.
>
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jim Bravo wrote:
>
> > Diane:
> >
> > Sounds like you're describing the Squall Classic, not the Contrail....
> >
> > Zinger
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:30:08 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Advice for iPhone apps?
> To: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <BDE9CC75-0E13-4C8C-9FDC-FF738E0133CD at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> What is a Cruddite?
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Jim Bravo wrote:
>
> > Cruddites are rarely offended by a
> > Luddite comment.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:32:43 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: abiegen at cox.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTik7aj93NxUVt31UDsdZv21taTnbjeM1jvX_58TG at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Well I wont be crossing any borders since I will not be on a thru hike but I
> was thinking just stash it in the woods on the american side and pick it up
> on the way back last time I went to canada I was driving but with any long
> trip I had my gun so I just pulled off a few exits before walked 100yd into
> the wood and stashed it on my way back I stopped and what do u know it was
> still there. Were there is a will there is always a way.
> On Mar 17, 2011 1:59 PM, <abiegen at cox.net> wrote:
> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > Piper and I got a late start back in 2008 because we just couldn't wait to
> get started hiking. That put us in the twilight for most of our hike that
> day. I wasn't afraid of illegals as it seems only reasonable that none of
> them would come across the border with a gun. Almost all are just looking
> for work in the US. The drug running and gun running doesn't take place on
> the PCT. Drugs and Guns are too heavy. Would someone try to sneak some of
> your food or water? That's a possibility, but would you feel okay with
> shooting someone for that?
> >
> > I was somewhat afraid of all the attention that our late start gave to the
> border patrol. They were circling overhead probably trying to figure out if
> we were illegals or not. Most thru-hikers hike during the day, not the
> evening so I guess we looked suspicious. I wouldn't like to have to try to
> explain myself with loaded guns pointing at me (something I have innocently
> had to do three times in my life). They did not send anyone out after us. We
> found a little hollow off the trail where we had just enough room for our
> tent and stayed there. We did hear feet pattering by, but no one stopped.
> >
> > In 2010 we started early and we saw evidence of illegals, mostly their
> clothes and little sandals they discarded. I ran into the border patrol on
> the trail but they were very friendly. Asked if I had seen any illegals and
> I could honestly say no. Later I did see a straw hat hinging in a tree but
> not its owner.
> >
> > We were not the only ones to start late in 2008 as we later met Clockwork
> Orange who was just a little ahead of us. You can always go to the monument
> and wait until someone shows up. You might feel more comfortable hiking with
> others at the beginning.
> >
> > Your gun may make you feel secure early on in your hike but it is highly
> likely that after a short while you will realize you don't need it. At the
> very least, when you get to the Canadian border you are going to want to
> ditch it. Then what do you do with it? Can you send your gun through the
> mail along with ammunition or are you stuck with it for the duration? Would
> you feel comfortable doing that? If you own a gun you probably know more
> than I about what is allowable.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > TrailHacker
> >
> > "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> > Abraham Lincoln
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:25 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <DB8DB4D2-0E69-4D0C-A9FA-A3C3F9CED641 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> There is a really nice flat spot across from that creek. I would camp
> there if I needed to. Once you are in your tent, nobody knows your
> gender. And the illegal aliens, if there are any the one night you
> are there, don't want any trouble.
>
> I got a late start my first day and ended up in a little cut-out nook
> on the trail about 9 miles in.
>
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > HI all. I am searching for an opinion or two, or more should it
> > come to
> > that... It appears I will be getting a late start the day I leave
> > Campo and
> > am wondering if the small seasonal creek 4.2 miles in is a safe
> > place to bed
> > down for the night. I'll have plenty of water so that won't be an
> > issue, I'm
> > just wondering how safe it is to park myself there for the night.
> > Solo woman
> > and all. Or if not, any other ideas about what would be safer?
> > Thanks for
> > your help!
> >
> > --
> > Shelly
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:37:34 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D827F1E.7040402 at scottbryce.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 3/17/2011 12:51 PM, Kevin Cook wrote:
> > I know gun supporters argue that a gun can make the situation safer,
>
> When the subject comes up on this list, practically every gun supporter
> advises against carrying a gun on the PCT.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:42:30 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D828046.1080404 at scottbryce.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 3/17/2011 3:32 PM, Gerry Zamora wrote:
> > I was thinking just stash it in the woods on the american side
>
> That is terribly irresponsible!
>
> > and pick it up on the way back
>
> If you hike into Canada on the PCT, odds are that you will be leaving
> Canada via a different route.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:46:29 -0700
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 35
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinTYGK-BbcXMaf_QrNM9VfGhpOhSXvh6_MrT4j9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Only if the bazooka is carried on the back. Carry in your hands, no cost to
> BPW!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
> www.primalpct.com
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > So, to calculate your base weight, the actual weight of your bazooka counts
> > but the back-up ammunition doesn't since it's a consumable?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of greg mushial
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:47 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 35
> >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:00:38 -0500
> > > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> > > To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <AANLkTinssPvMy0C8d-h_Sw+akLuiMQ8eyw2jOiZFUqYj at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > Yep, I pack a gun. In fact, I always have one attached to my hip belt,
> > > plus
> > > a backup strapped around my ankle.
> > >
> > > yogi
> > > www.pcthandbook.com
> > >
> >
> > ;-) on
> >
> > Maybe we'll have to start a discussion as to an appropriate UL sidearm -
> > clearly a 76oz 450 Marlin BFR wouldn't be a UL choice... but maybe if it's
> > not in one's pack but on one's hip, then such wouldn't affect one's BPW...
> > right?
> >
> > ;-) off
> > TheDuck
> >
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>
>
> --
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> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:52:03 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <9E49B339-A5CA-48EC-8035-DF3B7AD50F1C at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> If you do decide to bring a gun, make sure you research your options
> for shipping it home. If you can find any information on the web,
> print it out and bring it with you when you go to the post office so
> that you don't have to endure too many hassles from the USPS
> employees who don't know their own regulations (which is a
> surprisingly large amount of them.) You don't want to be stuck
> carrying all that extra baggage longer than you have to.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:48:03 -0400
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "abiegen at cox.net"
> <abiegen at cox.net>
> Message-ID: <AD089D6A-0FC9-46F0-B5B1-579F7FB7ECEF at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It may be different because I'm Canadian... But I've had no problems bringing guns either direction at he border... Of course the pct border is a little different... But if you tell the Canadian official, and your gun is registered ... Ou likely won't be denied.
>
> Little known fact there are FAR more guns per capita in Canada than in the USA
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-03-17, at 5:32 PM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well I wont be crossing any borders since I will not be on a thru hike but I
> > was thinking just stash it in the woods on the american side and pick it up
> > on the way back last time I went to canada I was driving but with any long
> > trip I had my gun so I just pulled off a few exits before walked 100yd into
> > the wood and stashed it on my way back I stopped and what do u know it was
> > still there. Were there is a will there is always a way.
> > On Mar 17, 2011 1:59 PM, <abiegen at cox.net> wrote:
> >> Hi Gerry,
> >>
> >> Piper and I got a late start back in 2008 because we just couldn't wait to
> > get started hiking. That put us in the twilight for most of our hike that
> > day. I wasn't afraid of illegals as it seems only reasonable that none of
> > them would come across the border with a gun. Almost all are just looking
> > for work in the US. The drug running and gun running doesn't take place on
> > the PCT. Drugs and Guns are too heavy. Would someone try to sneak some of
> > your food or water? That's a possibility, but would you feel okay with
> > shooting someone for that?
> >>
> >> I was somewhat afraid of all the attention that our late start gave to the
> > border patrol. They were circling overhead probably trying to figure out if
> > we were illegals or not. Most thru-hikers hike during the day, not the
> > evening so I guess we looked suspicious. I wouldn't like to have to try to
> > explain myself with loaded guns pointing at me (something I have innocently
> > had to do three times in my life). They did not send anyone out after us. We
> > found a little hollow off the trail where we had just enough room for our
> > tent and stayed there. We did hear feet pattering by, but no one stopped.
> >>
> >> In 2010 we started early and we saw evidence of illegals, mostly their
> > clothes and little sandals they discarded. I ran into the border patrol on
> > the trail but they were very friendly. Asked if I had seen any illegals and
> > I could honestly say no. Later I did see a straw hat hinging in a tree but
> > not its owner.
> >>
> >> We were not the only ones to start late in 2008 as we later met Clockwork
> > Orange who was just a little ahead of us. You can always go to the monument
> > and wait until someone shows up. You might feel more comfortable hiking with
> > others at the beginning.
> >>
> >> Your gun may make you feel secure early on in your hike but it is highly
> > likely that after a short while you will realize you don't need it. At the
> > very least, when you get to the Canadian border you are going to want to
> > ditch it. Then what do you do with it? Can you send your gun through the
> > mail along with ammunition or are you stuck with it for the duration? Would
> > you feel comfortable doing that? If you own a gun you probably know more
> > than I about what is allowable.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> TrailHacker
> >>
> >> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> >> Abraham Lincoln
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <357739.47538.qm at web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but here
> goes:
>
> Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm from
> Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection. I
> have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella issue
> which is good since I start in 22 days.
>
> I appreciate the help on this.
>
> Thanks
> Joyce
>
> "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mike Welch <encinomw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>, Erin Saver
> <erinsaver at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <686966.30424.qm at web44804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Erin,? Be thankful that's all he flashed.....mountain mike
>
> --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Erin Saver <erinsaver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Erin Saver <erinsaver at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 9:33 AM
>
> I was solo hiking (female) last year and I ended up at a campsite with an
> older man. He asked me if I was packing and I lied and said yes. He said me
> too and flashed a huge gun. Yeah, I didn't sleep much that night!
> -Erin
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your probably right oh well I gues it doesn't really matter I will still
> > HMOH.? I just see alot of people that are planning on hiking alone and to
> > bring a gun is not far fetched.? My uncle is a US Marshal and when I told
> > him my plans for this spring his first question was do you have a
> > gun...lol.
> > I guess as seasoned hikers you have a different mind set and a gun is heavy
> > so I can understand.? I plan on carrying my 9 just not on the hip like
> > yogi...lol thanks again.? HYOH, BYOB, YMMV, IMHO, FYI, YADA YADA YADA...
> > GERRY0625
> >? On Mar 17, 2011 10:16 AM, "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm not 100% sure Gerry but you might want to see if someone is pulling
> > on
> > > your leg...
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok good, I didn't want to say anything cause I thought everyone would be
> > >> like your gonna put your eye out or your gonna start a fire... but it
> > makes
> > >> sense to me. Although im not sure about it carrying it on my hip?
> > >> California is not a right to carry state if a ranger see's it they might
> > >> have an issue. Yogi have u had any issues with your gun and rangers?
> > >> That's my only concern hate to get shot by a ranger cause he saw a gun
> > after
> > >> all he is not aware of my intentions. Which would be to hike and eat and
> > >> enjoy nature.
> > >> Gerry0625
> > >> On Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM, "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shelly
> > >
> > > "We are not lost. We are searching alternative destinations."
> > > Unknown author
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:05:09 -0700
> From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] FW: first night out
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Gerry - I have carried a gun in the backcountry since I was 16 years old,
> going on 50. It is just how I was raised, not a big deal. Hope for the best
> and plan for the worst. I have never brandished it against a human or
> threatened with it in any way (close on a few occasions). It is concealed so
> that people are not uncomfortable. I have a CCW etc. but will NOT take a
> gun on the PCT due to the potential legal issues in CA. I think in most
> cases for most people they are better off without one (absolutely if you are
> not well trained and that is a tall order) and certainly better off not
> showing open carry as that guy is usually the 1st one shot by the bad guy.
> Proper/accessible concealed carry is the only way to go, if you are very
> well trained. Unless you are a cop or in the military etc., most people are
> not very well trained, even if they think they are.
>
> If anyone is remotely considering bringing a firearm then I would strongly
> recommend you take a full CCW class, preferable taught by a law enforcement
> professional. You will really want to leave it home then.
>
> I do feel that there is a legitimate concern about the southern section of
> the trail and that is unfortunate. But we live in the real world. I am
> concerned as I have seen what goes on our southern border in AZ and it is
> bad stuff. If there are illegal groups as described south of Lake Moreno
> then it seems like the Border patrol should just be camped at Hauser Creek,
> and perhaps they are. It is absurd that to me that we should have to feel
> uncomfortable camping there.
>
> This will be my 1st trip without a gun and I hope to get comfortable with
> that. Still taking the big knife though, baby steps.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Judd
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:28 PM
> To: Gerry Zamora
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> Gerry,
>
> I'm sure this is an ongoing debate with people firmly rooted on either side,
> so
> I will not attempt to change anyone's mind in earnest.
>
> I would ask though: do you normally bring a firearm with you on day hikes,
> overnight car camping, or short backpacking trips? If you do, then I can
> see
> the logic behind bringing a gun on the PCT as well. However, if you
> normally
> day hike et al without a gun, I guess I just don't understand what makes
> the
> PCT different in that regard. It's not like you're backpacking through gang
>
> territory. I day hike on the PCT quite a bit in SoCal. It seems like any
> other
> perfectly safe trail to me.
>
>
> I guess I'm just not sure what worries you about the PCT that having a gun
> resolves. If it's mugging or something I would contend that you should keep
> a
> gun on you at all times as you're more likely (which even still is not
> likely at
> all) to be mugged in your daily life than on the trail.
>
> To each their own, just thought I'd throw out my hypothetical two cents.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:06:18 -0700
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Ride Board
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTin0o3u+Eix7-CV=H025OVrrehGyYbuxbvH4JCjj at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Lance's directions are perfect. And here's a direct link:
> http://adzpctko.org/rides.htm
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Lance Marshall <lancem at wvi.com> wrote:
>
> > It's there! From the Home page, Chose 'ADZPDTKO 2011' on the horizontal
> > navigation bar at the top, then from the ADZPCTKO 2011 page, chose 'RIDE
> > BOARD' on the left vertical navigation bar.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:09:38 -0700
> From: Alphabetsoup <alphabetsoupmmm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikE6cb25Em8wrraboLDhM7jezJOqyL4Dxcn0oXx at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I've not done my thru-hike yet, however I have spoken to a few people that
> have used them in the past and swear by them for making the trek across
> SoCal cooler and when it rains, drier. Golite makes an 8oz reflective
> umbrella for 40.00 that is going with me on my trek!
> Umbrella <http://www.golite.com/Product/ProductSearch.aspx?search=umbrella>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but
> > here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm
> > from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection.
> > I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella
> > issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> *Alphabetsoup*
> *~Soon to be PCT Thru-Hiker April 2011~*
> * www.postholer.com/alphabetsoup*
> *
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:15:03 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FW: first night out
> To: dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks Dan, speak softley but carry a big stick.
> On Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com> wrote:
> > Gerry - I have carried a gun in the backcountry since I was 16 years old,
> > going on 50. It is just how I was raised, not a big deal. Hope for the
> best
> > and plan for the worst. I have never brandished it against a human or
> > threatened with it in any way (close on a few occasions). It is concealed
> so
> > that people are not uncomfortable. I have a CCW etc. but will NOT take a
> > gun on the PCT due to the potential legal issues in CA. I think in most
> > cases for most people they are better off without one (absolutely if you
> are
> > not well trained and that is a tall order) and certainly better off not
> > showing open carry as that guy is usually the 1st one shot by the bad guy.
> > Proper/accessible concealed carry is the only way to go, if you are very
> > well trained. Unless you are a cop or in the military etc., most people
> are
> > not very well trained, even if they think they are.
> >
> > If anyone is remotely considering bringing a firearm then I would strongly
> > recommend you take a full CCW class, preferable taught by a law
> enforcement
> > professional. You will really want to leave it home then.
> >
> > I do feel that there is a legitimate concern about the southern section of
> > the trail and that is unfortunate. But we live in the real world. I am
> > concerned as I have seen what goes on our southern border in AZ and it is
> > bad stuff. If there are illegal groups as described south of Lake Moreno
> > then it seems like the Border patrol should just be camped at Hauser
> Creek,
> > and perhaps they are. It is absurd that to me that we should have to feel
> > uncomfortable camping there.
> >
> > This will be my 1st trip without a gun and I hope to get comfortable with
> > that. Still taking the big knife though, baby steps.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Jeff Judd
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:28 PM
> > To: Gerry Zamora
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> >
> > Gerry,
> >
> > I'm sure this is an ongoing debate with people firmly rooted on either
> side,
> > so
> > I will not attempt to change anyone's mind in earnest.
> >
> > I would ask though: do you normally bring a firearm with you on day hikes,
>
> > overnight car camping, or short backpacking trips? If you do, then I can
> > see
> > the logic behind bringing a gun on the PCT as well. However, if you
> > normally
> > day hike et al without a gun, I guess I just don't understand what makes
> > the
> > PCT different in that regard. It's not like you're backpacking through
> gang
> >
> > territory. I day hike on the PCT quite a bit in SoCal. It seems like any
> > other
> > perfectly safe trail to me.
> >
> >
> > I guess I'm just not sure what worries you about the PCT that having a gun
>
> > resolves. If it's mugging or something I would contend that you should
> keep
> > a
> > gun on you at all times as you're more likely (which even still is not
> > likely at
> > all) to be mugged in your daily life than on the trail.
> >
> > To each their own, just thought I'd throw out my hypothetical two cents.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:23:25 -0700
> From: Thelma Fredricksen <thelma.fredricksen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <34A60BB8-8AA5-463E-B06E-C181998F4B4E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I haven't taken one on a really long hike so can't advise on that, but have used them on shorter treks & have been the envy of all in hot sun as it's quite a few desirable degrees cooler under one, and spares u wearing a hot hat as well. I like the very small lite kind that I can put in my pants pocket near my waist (not lower cargo pocket). I get mine at Target.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 2:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection. I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:33:07 -0600
> From: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinrVHv9xd7rA71XXdqAsq4mxQKgsVq3X8unV9k7 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> If you really must be armed, how about using pepper spray or a taser instead
> of a gun? The link below is for a small cell-phone sized taser.
>
> Check it out: http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html
>
> Downside of a gun:
>
> 1. A gun is heavy
> 2. A gun is extremely dangerous / lethal
> 3. A gun may not be legal
> 4. A gun to be affective against a bear would need to be a very *BIG* gun
> and be well aimed. I'm not claiming that a taser will bring down a bear (I
> seriously doubt it would), but neither will a .22 (not in a worthwhile
> period of time anyway).
> 5. A gun can't be pulled out of your pocket like a taser and is therefore
> less available.
> 6. A gun makes other hikers feel uncomfortable.
> 7. In most situations (e.g. someone opens your tent in the middle of the
> night looking for food, or a drunk guy in camp is sexually harassing you) a
> gun is really more fire-power than you want. Do you really want to point a
> gun at someone (or God forbid use it) in a situation like that? Particularly
> at night where it is really hard to assess the situation accurately? Of
> course not. So better not to have it at all so that when you're scared (as
> a person would have good reason to be in the above situations) they don't
> overreact and kill someone. If you need to, sleep with your taser next to
> you. **With the safety on**
>
>
>
> <http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Advice for iPhone apps?
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <68007624.2628984.1300401591996.JavaMail.root at sz0027a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> > > Don't forget to get some 'field guide' apps, too - astronomy, birds,
> > > botany (flowers, trees), animal tracks, etc., etc. - learn more of
> > > the 'green world' you're walking through & appreciate it even more...
>
> > Any suggestions for this sort of iPhone app?
>
> Please note: I do NOT have a smartphone (yet!) - but have researched both
> iPhone & Android apps... Probably won't get any smartphone until sometime
> after the iPhone5 comes out later this year (plus see if Verizon will then
> have a 'fully functioning' version)... There are MANY apps out there!!
>
> Astronomy: Star Walk, Star Map Pro, Moon Globe HD, many others - get a free
> moon phase app, too, if you want to try night hiking aided by the moonlight.
>
> Birds: iBird Explorer Plus (or Western), Chirp! Bird Songs USA, *Audubon
> Birds - North America, Peterson Birds of North America...
>
> *Audubon has many 'new' app guides & more on the way - some 'combo' apps
> such as Birds/Mammals/Wildflowers/Trees or Birds/Butterflies; each combo has
> full single item apps at cost savings... I'd get the '4' pack plus Butterflies
> and Insects & Spiders and maybe Reptiles & Amphibians, too, but...Audubon also
> has an "Ultimate Nature Series", too - California and Pacific Northwest apps
> would be ideal for the PCT... Decisions, decisions - even for apps!!
>
> Animal Tracks: Falcon Scats & Tracks North America, MyNature Animal Tracks...
>
> That should give you enough to start searching further - if you're going to
> carry a smartphone you might as well have some nature guide apps on it - much
> lighter than the 'book' versions of yesteryear...
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:52:54 -0400
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <44D50763-F7E7-432E-93F9-A554E80D1A43 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'm hinking about getting a chrome dome umbrella, more to have some shade than anything ...
>
> ... Not to hijack, but if you used a reflective umbrella, have ye any input?
>
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-03-17, at 5:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection. I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:02:42 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Cc: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTik+tJHpGOgaQG+hg8Wy-LMVB1LXQBvgk9VWBLm8 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Canada rules. Sorry no taser for me I like the smell of gun powder. At the
> end of the day does it matter as long as we are all safe. Like I said I
> wont be walking around flashing it besides myself and whomsoever im hiking
> with no one will have a clue. Better that way.
> On Mar 17, 2011 3:33 PM, "Devon Taig" <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you really must be armed, how about using pepper spray or a taser
> instead
> > of a gun? The link below is for a small cell-phone sized taser.
> >
> > Check it out:
> http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html
> >
> > Downside of a gun:
> >
> > 1. A gun is heavy
> > 2. A gun is extremely dangerous / lethal
> > 3. A gun may not be legal
> > 4. A gun to be affective against a bear would need to be a very *BIG* gun
> > and be well aimed. I'm not claiming that a taser will bring down a bear (I
> > seriously doubt it would), but neither will a .22 (not in a worthwhile
> > period of time anyway).
> > 5. A gun can't be pulled out of your pocket like a taser and is therefore
> > less available.
> > 6. A gun makes other hikers feel uncomfortable.
> > 7. In most situations (e.g. someone opens your tent in the middle of the
> > night looking for food, or a drunk guy in camp is sexually harassing you)
> a
> > gun is really more fire-power than you want. Do you really want to point a
> > gun at someone (or God forbid use it) in a situation like that?
> Particularly
> > at night where it is really hard to assess the situation accurately? Of
> > course not. So better not to have it at all so that when you're scared (as
> > a person would have good reason to be in the above situations) they don't
> > overreact and kill someone. If you need to, sleep with your taser next to
> > you. **With the safety on**
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html>
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Ride Board
> To: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <720971.90741.qm at web111507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Shepherd,
> It's up there. I just put my name in for needing a ride. :)
> Joyce
>
> "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
>
>
> Did I just miss it, or is there no Ride Board on this year's
> ADZPCTKO registration site? I always offer rides down and back but don't see
> anywhere to put down my contact info. If anyone has seen where, please direct
> me to the right page. Thanks
>
> Shepherd
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:15:35 -0700
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: "'Gerry Zamora'" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>, "'Devon Taig'"
> <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes'
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <149EB8414F0544F8BF6A389ED2AB9AD8 at RonPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I'll bet $100 that the gun doesn't make it all the way to Canada. Weight
> tends to infuse us with common sense as the miles build.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Gerry Zamora
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: Devon Taig
> Cc: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> Canada rules. Sorry no taser for me I like the smell of gun powder. At the
> end of the day does it matter as long as we are all safe. Like I said I
> wont be walking around flashing it besides myself and whomsoever im hiking
> with no one will have a clue. Better that way.
> On Mar 17, 2011 3:33 PM, "Devon Taig" <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you really must be armed, how about using pepper spray or a taser
> instead
> > of a gun? The link below is for a small cell-phone sized taser.
> >
> > Check it out:
> http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html
> >
> > Downside of a gun:
> >
> > 1. A gun is heavy
> > 2. A gun is extremely dangerous / lethal
> > 3. A gun may not be legal
> > 4. A gun to be affective against a bear would need to be a very *BIG* gun
> > and be well aimed. I'm not claiming that a taser will bring down a bear (I
> > seriously doubt it would), but neither will a .22 (not in a worthwhile
> > period of time anyway).
> > 5. A gun can't be pulled out of your pocket like a taser and is therefore
> > less available.
> > 6. A gun makes other hikers feel uncomfortable.
> > 7. In most situations (e.g. someone opens your tent in the middle of the
> > night looking for food, or a drunk guy in camp is sexually harassing you)
> a
> > gun is really more fire-power than you want. Do you really want to point a
> > gun at someone (or God forbid use it) in a situation like that?
> Particularly
> > at night where it is really hard to assess the situation accurately? Of
> > course not. So better not to have it at all so that when you're scared (as
> > a person would have good reason to be in the above situations) they don't
> > overreact and kill someone. If you need to, sleep with your taser next to
> > you. **With the safety on**
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:22:04 -0700
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> We have a few sayings in Oregon where I'm from: "Real Oregonians don't use
> umbrellas!" and "How do you know if they're a tourist? They carry an
> umbrella!".
>
> That being said, I too am intrigued by a reflective cover for the desert.
> Of course, for the rainy parts I will hike sans umbrella!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
> www.primalpct.com
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but
> > here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm
> > from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection.
> > I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella
> > issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:23:14 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I carried a Chrome Dome to Idyllwild last year. It was very helpful to
> reduce the impact of the sun while building my tan. I also used it one day
> in the rain with high winds and the umbrella worked well.
>
> With the horrible sun burns and sun blisters I saw last year, I don't know
> how this isn't a more highly recommended piece of gear.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but
> > here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm
> > from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection.
> > I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella
> > issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:25:10 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Advice for iPhone apps?
> To: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks Jim
>
> If you have no smartphone, have you used any of these apps? I did research
> my options once, but there were a LOT of options. I'm looking for some
> advice from folks on ones they have used and liked. It has to NOT need a
> data connection too. Of course, this makes many of them take up a lot of
> storage space. The ideal app will strike a good balance in that regard.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:39 PM, <enyapjr at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Don't forget to get some 'field guide' apps, too - astronomy, birds,
> > > > botany (flowers, trees), animal tracks, etc., etc. - learn more of
> > > > the 'green world' you're walking through & appreciate it even more...
> >
> > > Any suggestions for this sort of iPhone app?
> >
> > Please note: I do NOT have a smartphone (yet!) - but have researched both
> > iPhone & Android apps... Probably won't get any smartphone until sometime
> > after the iPhone5 comes out later this year (plus see if Verizon will then
> > have a 'fully functioning' version)... There are MANY apps out there!!
> >
> > Astronomy: Star Walk, Star Map Pro, Moon Globe HD, many others - get a free
> > moon phase app, too, if you want to try night hiking aided by the
> > moonlight.
> >
> > Birds: iBird Explorer Plus (or Western), Chirp! Bird Songs USA, *Audubon
> > Birds - North America, Peterson Birds of North America...
> >
> > *Audubon has many 'new' app guides & more on the way - some 'combo' apps
> > such as Birds/Mammals/Wildflowers/Trees or Birds/Butterflies; each combo
> > has
> > full single item apps at cost savings... I'd get the '4' pack plus
> > Butterflies
> > and Insects & Spiders and maybe Reptiles & Amphibians, too, but...Audubon
> > also
> > has an "Ultimate Nature Series", too - California and Pacific Northwest
> > apps
> > would be ideal for the PCT... Decisions, decisions - even for apps!!
> >
> > Animal Tracks: Falcon Scats & Tracks North America, MyNature Animal
> > Tracks...
> >
> > That should give you enough to start searching further - if you're going to
> > carry a smartphone you might as well have some nature guide apps on it -
> > much
> > lighter than the 'book' versions of yesteryear...
> >
> > Happy trails!!!
> > Jim (PITA)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:27:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Free LaraBars,
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Larabar sent me 580 free bars and asked that i give them to hikers along the way
> !
>
> how exciting !
>
> anyway have any good tips for distributing them? i neither wanted to carry them
> on the trail, nor just leave them in the hiker boxes...
>
> advice?
>
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:32:18 -0700
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Free LaraBars,
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> You could send some my way.... :) perfect primal energy!
>
> Though I'm also going to be asking them for a donation as well!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
> www.primalpct.com
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Larabar sent me 580 free bars and asked that i give them to hikers along
> > the way
> > !
> >
> > how exciting !
> >
> > anyway have any good tips for distributing them? i neither wanted to carry
> > them
> > on the trail, nor just leave them in the hiker boxes...
> >
> > advice?
> >
> > ~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 39
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:39:07 -0500
> From: David Ellzey <david at xpletive.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Gerry,
>
> As long as you abide by the laws, you are certainly within your right to carry while hiking. I personally have never researched the requirements for carrying a firearm on the PCT but you should look into the following:
>
> 1. I believe there are many places do not allow concealed carry without a permit.
> 2. CCW permits have restrictions as to where they are applicable, assuming you have a permit you will need to accommodate those constraints.
> 3. I'm pretty sure permits are restricted by state, with some states honoring other state's permits.
> 4. The national parks do not allow open carry, only legal CCW.
> 5. I believe California state parks do not allow firearms under any conditions.
> 6. A lot of people on the trail, your fellow hikers and trail angels that make up the PCT community experience did not grow up around firearms. They will be very uncomfortable in your presence during times you are required to open carry.
> 7. There is a good chance that trail angels will not allow you into their home's knowing you have a firearm. The alternative is to deceive the gracious hosts that are extending their home to you.
> 8. Check the laws about hitch hiking while carrying a firearm. Certainly in areas where you might have to open carry it might make for some long hikes into town.
>
> So whereas I support your right to legally carry a firearm, it does seem to be a royal pain in the @ss to actually do it within the constraints of the law. I mean, the amount of trail that passes through California states parks is alone a huge deal. Also, you really don't want to alienate or deceive people you meet on the PCT, you will miss out on a big part of the experience if you do.
>
> My suggestion is to reconsider the handgun and be open to exploring the trail on its terms. I think you will find that you will never really be alone (even if you want to be) during hiking season, and aside from the smell your fellow hikers are a harmless lot. Whatever your decision, I wish you a great hike. I wish I was out there this year.
>
> BigToe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gerry Zamora
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:03 PM
> To: Devon Taig
> Cc: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
>
> Canada rules. Sorry no taser for me I like the smell of gun powder. At the
> end of the day does it matter as long as we are all safe. Like I said I
> wont be walking around flashing it besides myself and whomsoever im hiking
> with no one will have a clue. Better that way.
> On Mar 17, 2011 3:33 PM, "Devon Taig" <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you really must be armed, how about using pepper spray or a taser
> instead
> > of a gun? The link below is for a small cell-phone sized taser.
> >
> > Check it out:
> http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html
> >
> > Downside of a gun:
> >
> > 1. A gun is heavy
> > 2. A gun is extremely dangerous / lethal
> > 3. A gun may not be legal
> > 4. A gun to be affective against a bear would need to be a very *BIG* gun
> > and be well aimed. I'm not claiming that a taser will bring down a bear (I
> > seriously doubt it would), but neither will a .22 (not in a worthwhile
> > period of time anyway).
> > 5. A gun can't be pulled out of your pocket like a taser and is therefore
> > less available.
> > 6. A gun makes other hikers feel uncomfortable.
> > 7. In most situations (e.g. someone opens your tent in the middle of the
> > night looking for food, or a drunk guy in camp is sexually harassing you)
> a
> > gun is really more fire-power than you want. Do you really want to point a
> > gun at someone (or God forbid use it) in a situation like that?
> Particularly
> > at night where it is really hard to assess the situation accurately? Of
> > course not. So better not to have it at all so that when you're scared (as
> > a person would have good reason to be in the above situations) they don't
> > overreact and kill someone. If you need to, sleep with your taser next to
> > you. **With the safety on**
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.beststungun.com/firestorm-cell-phone-stun-gun.html>
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> Message: 40
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:39:56 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] first night out
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I wont take that bet because u are right im not going that far. This year
> im not leaving California so I will be section hiking thru out the year. At
> the end of the day I honestly don't feel it my block is pretty light and my
> wife's 380 is even better. Then again I have never hiked 4-6 months at a
> time before so maybe your right. I really hope that I feel I don't need it
> and I can leave it home if not this time out maybe next time.
> Gerry0625
> Oh ya HYOH, YMMV, IMHO, BYOB, PPG, YADA YADA YADA!
> On Mar 17, 2011 4:15 PM, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 41
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:40:50 -0700
> From: sojo hendrix <sojo42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I envied those with umbrellas during my PCT hike through SoCal last
> May-early June. There is essentially no shade for 700 miles. It rained one
> day. The sun is relentless. And with each passing day, the temps increase.
> With an umbrella, you *may* be able to keep hiking while others huddle under
> a tarp or occasional tree for mid-day shade. I hiked the entire stretch in
> long pants, sun hat, and a lightweight, long-sleeved white shirt. I guess
> I've lived in Oregon so long now that the amount of sun I experienced down
> there was, well, unpleasant.
>
> You'll handle the rain just fine with a hood or hat up in Washington. The
> umbrella on the PCT is much more about SoCal sun. It shouldn't be
> underestimated.
>
> Sojourner
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - I can't believe I'm actually going ask this since I'm from Seattle but
> > here
> > goes:
> >
> > Those of you who have through hiked the PCT did you use an umbrella? I'm
> > from
> > Seattle and am used using hoods and hats for both rain and sun protection.
> > I
> > have read a few trail journals where the hiker used an umbrella with happy
> > results. What say you? I'm looking at my list and I'm down to the umbrella
> > issue
> > which is good since I start in 22 days.
> >
> > I appreciate the help on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joyce
> >
> > "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> > www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 42
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:45:59 -0700
> From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with an umbrella?
> To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E182A5B0-B5DC-44AA-99F5-30F3B760E8D4 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> Greetings,
>
> I found a Chrome Dome especially useful on breaks. I would open it, stuff the handle down the back of my shirt and be able to take off my hat and keep my head shaded. Great for naps, too. And blowing rain.
>
> Walk well,
> Jim Keener ( J J )
>
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 43
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:47:02 -0700
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] SLEEPING BAG SHOUT OUT!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just wondering what sleeping bag everyone was using and down/synthetic,
> temp?
> Kelty Light Trekker Down 20?
> Thanks
> Gerry0625
>
>
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