[pct-l] Food Bags --bears

Sat Mar 26 19:32:54 CDT 2011

I think I am most shocked of all to think Gerry ... When thinking of butt plugs was reminded of his 12 year old self... I must have been 18 before I know what those were... 20 or 21 before trying them.

THAT is an attempt to add to forum humor .

Seriously,  they loose the plugs when they wake up... But at our altitude,  only 5700 feet but far north;  it could we spring form a while then winter comes back overnight... That is what I meant about loosing the plugs early... 
... We take great care for the chickens etc after a late storm for this very reason... Using electric fencing etc.

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On 2011-03-26, at 8:21 PM, "Peter Shaw" <pshaw999 at cox.net> wrote:

> Paul,
> 
>  
> 
> I apologize. I really thought you were adding to the humor on the list. But when you responded this way, I did a bit of web searching and the general consensus is that bears do actually plug their digestive tract to prevent defecation of their den while they are hibernating. However, it would seem from the literature, that the plug is created from within through the digestive process. The bears eat twigs and the like and the digestive process uses this material to create an anal plug that serves the desired purpose. But it isn’t “stuffed in” from the outside. At least that is what I discovered before it was ruining my appetite. I couldn’t find any reference to the plug ejecting itself early thereby creating the need for the bear to awaken and go foraging for food.
> 
>  
> 
> It was fascinating to read all the other details of how bears hibernate and the research being done to discover the mechanism they use to maintain their body temperature and muscle mass despite sleeping for ~ 7 months . The researchers are exploring how to apply these mechanisms to humans either for prolonging life or for “protecting” humans during long space explorations.
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> Peanut Eater
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> From: Paul Robison [mailto:paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06 PM
> To: Peter Shaw; dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com; Gerry Zamora; CHUCK CHELIN
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Bags --bears
> 
>  
> 
> i'm so glad i took time to make a serious post about bear behaviors and WHEN and WHY they are dangerous,
> 
> only to get a bunch of  "butt plug  heh heh " responses.
> 
> BTW,  if sierra bears don't hibernate,  they make have not adapted this behavior like sub-arctic bears have.
> 
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> 
> From: Peter Shaw <pshaw999 at cox.net>
> To: dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com; Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>; CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 6:01:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Bags --bears
> 
> It's not April 1st already is it?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40 PM
> To: 'Gerry Zamora'; 'CHUCK CHELIN'
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Bags --bears
> 
> I did not know that there was a bear butt plug.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Gerry Zamora
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:54 AM
> To: CHUCK CHELIN
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Bags --bears
> 
> So does any one carry a but plug for the bears?  :0/
> Sorry first time I heard this explanation and the 12 year old came out in
> me...  I would hate to be the vet trying to replace that plug....  the
> things we do to hike with nature.
> Gerry0625
> On Mar 26, 2011 6:23 AM, "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
> > Good morning, Paul,
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think most of the Sierra bears hibernate in PCT areas, if at all.
> My
> > understanding is they sort of migrate up-country in the spring and early
> > summer following the snowline.
> >
> >
> > There are usually two good wildlife experts at the Kick-Off with
> > presentations: In past years one has been a cougar expert from Univ.
> > Cal.-Davis, and the other is either a Forest Service or National Park
> > employee - I don't remember which - who is a bear expert. That bear-lady
> is
> > the one to ask if you attend the Kick-Off.
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT - 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Steel-Eye
> >> >
> >> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT - 1965
> >> >
> >> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So if not in a area with bears is it relatively safe to just leave
> your
> >> >> food in your pack and leave your pack in your tent? Sounds like a few
> >> >> people use this method with out any issues while out of bear country
> of
> >> >> course.
> >> >> Gerry0625
> >> >> On Mar 25, 2011 1:50 PM, "Ate Tuna" <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> I have had a mouse not only try to get into my food in that exact
> >> >> situation,
> >> >>> but had it succeed even though I shooed it away multiple times during
> >> the
> >> >>> night...and I thought the rain and high winds that night would surely
> >> >> blow
> >> >>> that critter off the side of the mountain. I was wrong.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now I use a regular Ursack all the time. An Ursack was good enough to
> >> >>> protect my food when I left it on Apache Peak when I left the trail
> for
> >> a
> >> >>> week to attend kickoff. I haven't use an Opsak, but I agree with
> those
> >> >> that
> >> >>> think I should.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:02 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I've never had lil' critters try to get into my food when it's lying
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >>>> ground at the head of my bed -- and that's while sleeping under the
> >> >> stars.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Just curious what people are using for food bags to keep the
> critters
> >> >>>> out,
> >> >>>>> other than at bear vault areas. Ursack, wire mesh bag, just hang it
> >> >> etc.
> >> >>>>> ???
> >> >>>>>
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