[pct-l] Gear Contest at KO

Wed May 4 17:18:28 CDT 2011

By any chance does anyone have a video of the Gear Contest? My buddy, Hoosierdaddy was one of the judges and I understand he was VERY entertaining. I was tied to my table and had to miss it...

Please? :)

~Dicentra

http://www.onepanwonders.com ~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra 

--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com> wrote:

From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Posting names
To: "Ken Murray" <kmurray at pol.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 11:39 AM

I agree with you Ken... or should I say... "Mr K"?  ;)

We occasionally announce the arrival of folks at VVR for the rest of the 
community... usually on our website, and this year probably on our 
Facebook page.  We also have folks sign the register.

If you don't want us to do that, you can just tell us.  Of course, we're 
not going to say "Dicentra is now located 13.4 miles South of the cutoff 
to VVR on the PCT".  Firstly, because we don't know that, and secondly, 
because nobody really cares (unless Dicentra goes missing).

But telling folks that Dicentra just visited VVR gives people a lot of 
valuable information.  It gives the hikers who may have hiked with you 
for a time a sense of how fast you're traveling, how much time they have 
left to reach VVR, how far behind you are from them, etc.  It also lets 
folks know who are watching for you that you've made it to VVR.

I'm with Ken - people around you are NOT responsible for your safety - 
you are.  You have the power to do quite a few things to ensure your 
safety, including, as Ken says, changing your trail name every time you 
meet someone if you don't want them to know who you really are.

Women have been doing this for years OFF the trail... when was the last 
time a woman gave a guy the wrong phone number or email address just to 
get rid of him?  Or introduced herself or her girlfriends with fake names?

I understand that there is a certain line which shouldn't be crossed... 
but asking everyone around you to take responsibility for your trail 
safety isn't going to work - folks have enough to worry about with their 
own safety.  Common sense should prevail, but I (unfortunately) know 
quite a few people with no common sense - so I certainly don't rely on 
them for anything.

In the end, you're all you can count on - HYOH, and if you're worried 
about security on the trail, do things to take control of that, 
including telling folks every time you meet someone that you don't want 
them to repeat your location, if that's important to you.

Bill

Oh hey... and I'm NOT picking on dicentra... that was just an example...

Ken Murray wrote:
> I understand your point.
>
> In the community in which you LIVE, though, you would not remove everyone's name and numbers from mailboxes AS THE DEFAULT.
>
> You could change your trail name from Dicentra to anything else, every five minutes, IF YOU WANTED TO.  It is EASY for a person to create anonymity on the trail, IF THEY WANT.
>
> You can take personal responsibility, because, the rest of the outside world actually doesn't care about us.  Yes, it is true that even paranoid people can have enemies.  But does the ENTIRE COMMUNITY have to walk in FEAR of even mentioning a person by name to avert tragedy?
>
> Watch, as you go through your day, how often you mention one person to another, without worrying about all this.
>
> What many victims of stalkers don't seem to realize, is that the issue is CONTROL.  If the stalker feels that they have made a person change their life, they have won.  It is like with a cougar....running excites them, and encourages the chase.  I've known stalker victims who've gone completely underground for a decade, only to find that their stalker had died years ago.....still controlling them from the grave.......
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dicentra"<dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> To: "Ken Murray"<kmurray at pol.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:58:01 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Posting names
>
>
> The problem is that anyone can walk into our little community. Sure, us hiker trash can all pretty much trust each other, but it's the rest of the world that is questionable.
>   
> Saying I'm going to lunch with a friend is NOT the same as giving my location out on the trail, where I am likely to be alone with no witnesses.
>
> Some of us have had issues with crazy ass stalkers in the past so are cautious in both the "real world" and on the trail. It isn't paranoia. It's safety. You don't know who is reading...
>
> As for my "code name"? Even my non-hiker friends know who Dicentra is.
>
> Just sayin. HYOH.
>   
> ~Dicentra
>
>
> http://www.onepanwonders.com  ~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
>   
>
> --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Ken Murray<kmurray at pol.net>  wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Ken Murray<kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Posting names
> To: "."<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 10:31 AM
>
>
> I personally think that this concept of anonymity and disclosure, is a carryover of our paranoia of life in civilization.
>
> For example, how many of us would think it neccessary to avoid mentioning names in talking about doing something with a friend OTHER THAN ON THE TRAIL?
> "I'm going to have lunch with my friend Nancy Marshall at Classy Goose on wed".
> Would I go through life asking people for permission to post their names?
>
> What makes this truly bizarre, is the added security of trail names...basically most people having a "code name", that no one outside of our small community is likely to know.  OFTEN gender neutral.
>
> If someone is REALLY worried about keeping anonymous, THEY can SAY SO, THEY can change their trail name repeatedly, THEY can not interact with people, THEY can not sign registers with recognizable names, THEY can pay only with cash, THEY can avoid trail angels, THEY can use made up names for the mail drops, etc.  THEY can take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their bizarre paranoia.
>
> When will it occur to someone, that random pictures might catch someone's image.  Or that they did not SPECIFICALLY get permission to post an image that might be recognizable. OMG!
>
> Instead, lets act like rational people, and the close-knit community of caring people that we are.
>
> What world do YOU want to live in?  I know which I do.  Others can make other choices, they have that power.
>
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