[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 47, Issue 30

Tue Nov 29 12:28:13 CST 2011

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: History of Backpacking (shon mcganty)
  2. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (shon mcganty)
  3. Re: Post Offices (Sam Griffin)
  4. Re: History of Backpacking (Jackie McDonnell)
  5. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (giniajim)
  6. ED compensation (JoAnn)
  7. Re: History of Backpacking (Scott Bryce)
  8. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (Ron)
  9.  History of Backpacking (enyapjr at comcast.net)
 10. Re: History of Backpacking (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
 11. Re: History of Backpacking (Hikes and Bikes)
 12. Re: History of Backpacking (Jackie McDonnell)
 13. Re: ED compensation (Timothy Nye)
 14.  History of Backpacking (Hootie Martin)
 15. History of Backpacking (shelly skye)
 16. Re: History of Backpacking (Bob Bankhead)
 17. Re: History of Backpacking (Jeffrey Olson)
 18. When is the mission of the PCTA complete? (Barry Teschlog)
 19. Re: History of Backpacking (giniajim)
 20. Re: HEY shroomer (Scott Williams)
 21.  Pika Stove system winning hiker (Deems)
 22. Re: ED compensation (Tortoise)
 23. Re: History of Backpacking (gschenk1 at roadrunner.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:15 -0800 (PST)
From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>, PCT
   <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>, Deems
   <losthiker at sisqtel.net>,    MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>, scott
   williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>,    "Acu4harmony at aol.com"
   <Acu4harmony at aol.com>
Cc: andrea williams <andrea.l.williams at gmail.com>
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   <1322504715.99267.YahooMailNeo at web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them wimpy and wusses.? Screw you!
?
Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty blogger JMT Reinhold.? It is?mean spirited and has no place here on this site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
?
Shon McGanty
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(And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.? If you? want to connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a few words with you).
?
?

?

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From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>; Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking

To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know 
much about history.
Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)? on the 
history of backpacking.

Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the 
history of man, to see the parallels.

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic 
hunters/gatherers.
They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to 
the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of 
beer and the invention of the wheel.
The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the 
catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives

Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of 
agriculture.
Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be 
invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages 
were formed.

Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night 
while they were drinking beer.
This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of 
the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the 
sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known 
as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, 
the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of 
democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the 
conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest, 
most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer 
white wine or imported bottled water.
They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have 
higher testosterone levels than their men.
Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in 
Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to 
make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, 
construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, 
engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, 
airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to 
work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers 
and decide what to do with the production.
Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were 
coming to America.
They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of 
trying to get more for nothing.

Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold 
that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to 
survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood 
or metal frame backpacks.
Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed 
by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men 
like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the 
wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy packs.
They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to 
carry such heavy packs.
That was the beginning of the? "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"? 
like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce, 
etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like 
to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized 
way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.

And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"? as seen 
through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.

It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily 
respond to the above.

A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute 
truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other 
true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.

I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my? "Lurker 
Bunker"? for I hear the distant thunder of the
"Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the 
absolute truth of this history lesson.

Hope to see you all on the trail someday.

JMT Reinhold
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:37:14 -0800 (PST)
From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
To: "jimniedbalski at aol.com" <jimniedbalski at aol.com>,
   "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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?
Makes me wish I'd gone?to a?buisness college and work towards being a CEO of a hiking organization.? I'd love to make that kind of dough, plus work with hiking trails, the community and fellow hikers I'd do it for less.
?
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________________________________
From: "jimniedbalski at aol.com" <jimniedbalski at aol.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits

Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think about to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:

Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's percentage of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.

Make of this what you will.
For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.

Jim
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:37:19 -0800
From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post Offices
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Amiratti's in Castella definitely holds packages, I sent mine there. Or you
could just hitch into Mt. Shasta, which is a really cool town (or do both,
like me!). Spent a day here with a group of hikers. I wouldn't worry about
Old Station, most of the people I hiked with didn't have boxes here, and
the one that did left without it (had it forwarded, PO there has funky
hours). Send it to Drakesbad or just hitch in to Burney. Despite all the
nay saying about the hitch into that town, it's really not bad. Got a ride
in minutes (all of us did, 7+ hikers going in pairs). As far as Stehekin
goes, if the PO closes hikers are going to have to start taking the ferry
into Chelan, which could be a cool adventure anyhow. So there will still be
supplies to be had, no one will be screwed, and thus no one should be
freaking out.

--Rattler

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Today's Topics:

 1. Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott)
 2. Re: ED compensation (Andy Johnson)
 3. Re: ED compensation (Charles Doersch)
 4. Re: ED compensation (Charles Williams)
 5. Re: Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott Williams)
 6. History of Backpacking (Reinhold Metzger)
 7. Re: PCTA Leadership (hiker97 at aol.com)
 8. Re: Hiker Trash Thanks (hiker97 at aol.com)
 9. Re: Post Offices (Cosmic Cat)
10. HEY shroomer (John Casterline)
11. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (Dennis Phelan)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:13:06 -0800
From: Scott <public at postholer.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Here's the snow depth for yesterday:
http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20111126

...and 1 year ago yesterday:
http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20101126

-postholer

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www.postholer.com

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:24:49 -0800
From: "Andy Johnson" <andyj92 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I think people should look at the value for money vs price alone.

Nobody complains about executive compensation of gear makers or their
distributers.
Nobody complains about compensation of rangers and SAR people who come out
to save those in trouble.

Look at the discussions about weight and best gear for the trail.
NONE of the lightweight and good stuff is cheap. Yet, somehow the money is
found to pay for saving 10 lbs on every step.
Look at the prices paid and money wasted for the food and stuff donated
along the trail.
You bought it. You didn't use it. You threw it away. Others came along and
said a silent "Thank You".

What value do you get from the association-? Is it worth what -you- are
paying-?
What changes would you suggest-?

When you complain about something add a suggestion on how to improve it.
Anyone can complain with scant facts and moral outrage. Get the facts and
learn more.
Then complain and offer a corrective idea.
Your statements will carry much more weight and you will be given more
attention.

If you ran the association what would you do differently-?

Personally, I like what they do and how they do it.
They have taken a very complex situation and made it simple and easy to
transit.
They have negotiated the rules and rights and protections so that everyone
knows what is expected of them.
The Rangers do not have to deal with many different people all asking the
same questions and arguing about it.
We all know where we need bear cannisters, where to find info on everything
we'll need...almost.
And what conditions are likely to be up the trail ahead of us.

That is a lot of work for the peanuts we pay as members.

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:46:42 -0700
From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch@