[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6
debi rodriguez
debi_ba_rodriguez at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 6 17:04:25 CDT 2012
We are planning to start day hikes possibly over night starting in September 2012. Getting in hikes while preparing to through hike in 2014.Beginning in Campo at the start of the pct. Do we need permits for the day hikes? Thanks for the help Debi
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Early start on PCT on 2013 and then back to Morena for
AZDPCTKO (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
2. Stevens Pass to Manning (CHARLES MILLER)
3. Hiking Washington State (Katie Kistler)
4. 2013 Attempt (Benjamin Vogels)
5. Alfresco (Edward Partridge)
6. Re: Chips Fire explodes...lessons to be learned (Reinhold Metzger)
7. Re: Stevens Pass to Manning (Gerald King)
8. Re: Hiking Washington State (Gerald King)
9. Re: Hiking Washington State (Bob Bankhead)
10. Need a ride (Matt Bradley)
11. Crater Lake , Mt Theilson what snow there is is easily
navigated up and over, no issues. Did this section 8/3 to 8/4.
(Jane Espasandin)
12. Re: filtering in the Sierras (Matt Geis)
13. Re: 2013 Attempt (Scott Bryce)
14. GoLite umbrella (CClark)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:37:54 -0700
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Early start on PCT on 2013 and then back to
Morena for AZDPCTKO
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Usually in the weeks before kick-off there are lots of people on the
kick-off ride board asking for and offering rides, plus emails to
this list offering rides, plus people on their way stopping by
various places such as Scissors Crossing or Julian or wherever, just
looking to see if there's anybody they can pick up spontaneously. So
I'd head out and just walk at whatever pace you want and expect to
get a ride wherever you end up (within reason, of course, I wouldn't
expect a ride on Chihuahua Valley Rd or somewhere like that.) I've
even offered rides and living in Santa Barbara I would have been able
to pick up someone as far north as Hikertown.
As for your slow pace, before I attempted the PCT I had never been
able to hike more than 16 miles in a day without incredible
debilitating pain. So I figured that was my absolute upper limit and
I better stay below that. The PCT was so easy to hike 15 miles a day
without any pain (other than eventual blisters.) So don't worry too
much about your pace. It'll probably be faster than you think.
On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Subject: [pct-l] Early start on PCT on 2013 and then back to Morena
> for AZDPCTKO
> Hello all
> ...
> So I thought to hike Campo-Warner Springs right before the kickoff.?
> Then hitch-hike back to Lake Morena for kickoff and start again
> from Warner Springs after kickoff.
> ?
> I will walk this very first part as slow as a desert turtle, I know
> that. I don't think that I will manage more than 10 miles per day.
> ...
> Has anybody started PCT in this way? Like slow mo hiking to Warner
> Springs and back to kickoff?
> Is it realistic?
> ?
> Please tell me your experience if you have done so.
> ?
> Thanks a lot for sharing :)
> Anne
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:23:32 -0500
From: "CHARLES MILLER" <chuck-miller at earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Stevens Pass to Manning
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I am planning to hike Stevens Pass to Manning Park starting about September 8. Can anyone give me an idea about how much snow I will encounter?
Will I need crampons, an ice ax or what?
Thanks,
Chuck Miller
Houston (not snow country)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:22:32 -0430
From: Katie Kistler <katiekistler at mac.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiking Washington State
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi!
I'm planning to hike the PCT through Washington State from the Canadian border to the Oregon border. I will be starting at the beginning of September and was wondering how much snow I should expect to encounter and where? Also is an ice ax recommended? Thanks so much!
-Kate
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:15:01 -0500
From: Benjamin Vogels <benjaminvogels at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] 2013 Attempt
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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When is too late to begin a thru attempt? Currently I am looking at May
20ish as the earliest I could start. Would this give me enough time to
"enjoy" myself without needing to log 30 miles every day before the snow
flies?
Benjamin
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:57:51 -0700
From: Edward Partridge <eepartridge at mac.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Alfresco
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Can someone tell me about potty breaks outdoors.
I know that the body goes through some changes on the PCT. Because of
diet, water, the hiking. I will be making the trek in 2013 and just
doing some reserch.
Thank you
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:39:48 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Chips Fire explodes...lessons to be learned
To: Tracy Martin <tracymartin46 at gmail.com>, PCT
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Yes Tracy,
I can see why you might be reading it that way.
However, I did not mean to imply that a novice hiker was the cause of
the fire....fires can be caused by experienced hikers as well.
I was merely venting my frustration with some of the irresponsible
statements on the list that mislead and encourage some novice hikers to
believe that the PCT is a piece of cake and encourages them to attempt a
thru-hike for which they may not be properly prepared and wind up over
their head.
The PCT is not piece of cake....it is one of our more challenging long
trails and should not be underestimated.
Take care and HYOH.
JMT Reinhold
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On 8/4/2012 6:19 PM, Tracy Martin wrote:
JMT, I agree with most of your posts, but on this one unless I'm reading
it wrong...you've come to the conclusion a novice hiker is the issue.
And I do agree with you on some of the questions asked, part of hiking
is the freedom and independence of the hike, hyoh and learn as you go.
What works for one, fails for someone else.
Take care.
>
> On Aug 4, 2012 12:44 PM, "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
> <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>> wrote:
>
> Jeffrey,
> I "DO GET IT"....and you are absolutely correct and hit the nail
> right on the head.
> Yup,....leave no trace hiking sets a high standard, in our books
> anyhow.
> The trouble is, not all folks adhere to that high standard.
> And yes,...it is easier and easier to hike the trail and some
> hikers, as
> you say, display a combination of cluelessness and lack of common
> sense.
>
> It is my opinion that many of these problems are the result of to many
> inexperienced hikers on the trail.
> That is why I always shake my head when I hear folks on this list come
> out with statements like..."Oohh
> anybody can hike the trail"...."Grandmother can hike the
> trail"...."Kinder Garden Kids can hike the trail"
> ..."you don't need any experience....you will gain experience as you
> hike"...."hiking in the wilderness is safer than your neighborhood
> park"...."the bears won't bother you and the snakes will not bite
> unless you
> bother them"....and, if you get into trouble, you can always call
> 911".
>
> And, by some of the questions asked on this list, it is obvious that
> some PCT hikers are inexperienced hikers or have no hiking experience
> and don't have any clue what they are getting into or know the
> rules of
> the game.
>
> I am not saying that experienced hikers do not cause problems and all
> problems are caused by inexperienced hikers....what I am saying is
> there
> is no substitute for experience and experienced hikers make fewer
> mistakes
>
> That is my perspective.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Jeffrey wrote:
> I find it astounding that people build fires while hiking the PCT
> in any
> but extreme emergency cold/wet conditions.
> To me this shows a combination of cluelessness, lack of common
> sense and
> selfishness.
> Leave no trace hiking sets a high standard.
> It's easier and easier to hike the trail with all the different
> written
> and online guides and proliferation of people offering support.
> That doesn't mean principled hiking gives over to a slacker mentality.
> No one is ignorant out there about the potential destructiveness
> of fires.
> Why not be rational and act on this knowledge?
>
> I JUST DON'T GET IT...
>
> Jeffrey Olson Rapid, City, SD
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:44:27 -0700
From: Gerald King <geraldbking at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stevens Pass to Manning
To: CHARLES MILLER <chuck-miller at earthlink.net>
Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Chuck,
I'd be surprised if you found hardly any on-trail snow. It would seem you run about as big a risk of dealing with new snow as with old snow. You'll be fine...it WILL rain though.
Jerry
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:23 PM, "CHARLES MILLER" <chuck-miller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I am planning to hike Stevens Pass to Manning Park starting about September 8. Can anyone give me an idea about how much snow I will encounter?
>
> Will I need crampons, an ice ax or what?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Miller
> Houston (not snow country)
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:50:05 -0700
From: Gerald King <geraldbking at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Washington State
To: Katie Kistler <katiekistler at mac.com>
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Hey Kate,
Pretty much the same answer I just gave to Chuck. You really shouldn't be dealing with much, if any, snow by starting this late. The chance of rain increases each week of your hike and can get quite wet by Oct. 1.
Enjoy,
Jerry
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Katie Kistler <katiekistler at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I'm planning to hike the PCT through Washington State from the Canadian border to the Oregon border. I will be starting at the beginning of September and was wondering how much snow I should expect to encounter and where? Also is an ice ax recommended? Thanks so much!
>
> -Kate
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:24:04 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Washington State
To: "'Katie Kistler'" <katiekistler at mac.com>
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Katie:
You should make it ok, but as others have already said, it can get wet as
you move north, especially in the high country north of Snoqualmie Pass.
Modify your gear accordingly. The following is not meant to scare you, but
rather to alert you.
Go prepared for wind-blown rain and cold. Fall storms in the North Cascades
can last for days on end, not just for hours like in the Sierra. You can
find yourself walking and sleeping in the clouds and/or fog (100% humidity)
for days at a time - or you could get lucky and have cool, sunny skies.
Either way, carry a good hooded rain jacket and rain pants that you can walk
in all day if needed. I would recommend you send roll-top dry bags to
Snoqualmie or Stevens Pass to replace the stuff sacks used for your sleeping
bag, insulating layer, and spare clothes. If the weather turns on you, it's
really nice to have dry clothes to sleep in at the end of the day and a dry
insulating layer can be a life-saver.
>From Snoqualmie Pass north to the border, mark your potential bail-out
points (i.e. Harts Pass) on your map or route plan. Note that Harts Pass is
the last point where you might obtain a ride out of the mountains.
Bob
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:46:45 -0700
From: Matt Bradley <mattbradley1 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Need a ride
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi All,
I am looking for a ride for me, my wife and my dog between hwy 36 near
Chester and Burney falls next weekend. Sunday afternoon or Monday morning
would be preferred, the 12th or 13th. Of course, we can help pay for gas.
Is anyone available then? Thanks so much!
Matt Bradley
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:39:30 -0700
From: Jane Espasandin <Janeespasandin at charter.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Crater Lake , Mt Theilson what snow there is is
easily navigated up and over, no issues. Did this section 8/3 to 8/4.
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Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Geis <mgeis at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] filtering in the Sierras
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I didn't filter anything in the Sierra, and it worked for me, but I'm just one hiker. ?I read all the stats about how Sierra water (flowing) was cleaner than San Francisco municipal tap water (known to be very good), and my experience bore that out. ?I also met another hiker who, possessed of the same facts, filtered almost everything -- because earlier in his life he became gravely ill from a waterborne parasite in Central America.
He knew that his previous experience was different from the PCT, but he chose to filter anyway because it gave him the peace of mind that he needed in order to fully enjoy his hike. ?I didn't filter, and enjoyed my hike.
As for the guy at REI, take his info, respect it, add it to your other info, and make the right decision for you. ?I asked a guy at REI in the footwear department about his thoughts on a sock for hiking 2700 miles in a summer. ?All he could say was (smugly), "I would not recommend hiking 2700 miles." ?The point being, your mileage may vary with any one person's opinion.
Best of luck,
Iron Chef
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:39:10 -0600
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 Attempt
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On 8/5/2012 7:15 PM, Benjamin Vogels wrote:
> When is too late to begin a thru attempt? Currently I am looking at
> May 20ish as the earliest I could start. Would this give me enough
> time to "enjoy" myself without needing to log 30 miles every day
> before the snow flies?
You will need to average close to 25 miles per day, depending on how
often you take zeros.
By late May the heat in the southern California deserts can be
unbearable, and water sources will be drying up. You may want to start
at a point other than the southern terminus. If you are determined to
hike the entire trail, you could come back and hike the southern section
in the fall. Water will still be an issue, but the temperatures will be
a lot cooler.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] GoLite umbrella
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Does anyone have advice for attaching an umbrella to a pack strap so you don't have to?hold it in your hand? Are umbrellas worth the weight (1/2 lb) in the desert? Is there too much underbrush to make them worthwhile in the northwest?
Carolyn (Soul Doctor)
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