[pct-l] illegal campfires

Rod Belshee rbelshee at hotmail.com
Sat Feb 18 22:02:16 CST 2012


I'm a strong believer in HYOH, generally extremely tolerant of others.
But absolutely not when it comes to illegal fires in SoCal.

The hiker ahead of me just coming out of White Water Canyon accidental lit a 
forest fire (burning toilet paper, an no-no in SoCal).  The hillside erupted 
in flames.  Helicopter brought in crews and dropped retardant incredibly 
quickly, but it left a huge impression on me on how fast this area just 
explodes and how much was burned in an instant.  I hunkered down under the 
outcropping coming out of the White Water canyon as the fire blew over.

Last I saw the hiker who made the mistake, he had hightailed it off the 
trail but the fire investigators had his name and were pursuing him.  I 
don't know how it turned out but this may have been a life changing mistake. 
So a fire is bad news for the offender, the forest, neighbors, other hikers, 
fire fighters.  Everybody.

Adhere to the fire bans in CA very strictly.  And if you see other hikers 
who don't, then talk to them, and if that is not effective, report them to 
authorities at the next town.  This is not something to mess with.

Steady Sr


-----Original Message----- 
From: Laura Woods
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:01 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] illegal campfires

Illegal campfires during when fire restrictions are going may be a big issue 
this dry year. I live 6 miles from the PCT I do
WANT YOU TO TELL PEOPLE TO DOUSE ANY FIRES YOU SEE. It is my home and other 
that can burn down. Not to mention it could close the trail in sections. 
This year the fire danger could be critical and we have to stop others from 
lighting illegal fires.

Laura in the woods;
Donner Summit

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>   1. Blister Wisdom: Leukotape (Mark Nienstaedt)
>   2. Re: Speaking of campfires, Forester Pass (Nathan Miller)
>   3. Re: HYOH- campfires (Nathan Miller)
>   4. Re: HYOH- campfires (Sir Mixalot)
>   5. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Ron)
>   6. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Bob Bankhead)
>   7. Re: HYOH- campfires (Edward Anderson)
>   8. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Scott Williams)
>   9. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Mike Douglass)
>  10. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Jason M.)
>  11. Re: Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Lisa Peru)
>  12. Lightweight 1 person tent reccomendations please (Webmail dcooper)
>  13. Re: Lightweight 1 person tent reccomendations please (John Abela)
>  14. 110 g canister availability (Jerry Goller)
>  15. acton, ca (juma)
>  16. Bear Canisters (Jerry Goller)
>  17. Re: Blister Wisdom: Leukotape (Eric Lee)
>  18. Re: Bear Canisters (Jeffrey Olson)
>  19. Re: Bear Canisters (Jackie McDonnell)
>  20. Re: acton, ca (Jason M.)
>  21. Re: Speaking of campfires, Forester Pass (Sir Mixalot)
>  22. Re: Blister Wisdom: Leukotape (Sir Mixalot)
>  23. Sleeping bag (Alan Thurman)
>  24. Re: acton, ca (juma)
>  25. Re: Sleeping bag (Scott Bryce)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:40:09 -0600
>From: Mark Nienstaedt <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Blister Wisdom: Leukotape
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Hi All,
>
>I walked the PCT in 2011 with no blister problems.  I did not regard this
>as an accident.  Preparation was the key.
>This was the strategy:
>Fundamentally, low pack weight.  I was not extremely Ultralite (base weight
>~ 20 lbs) but I was light enough.  Secondly, time tested comfortable
>shoes.  Trail Runners.  Mine were Merrill Moab Ventilators.  Several other
>brands are clearly equally good.  I had worn Merrill shoes on Trail
>before.  Thirdly, a comfortable, reliable sock.  In my case a Wigwam "Trail
>Mix Fusion" product.
>Here's where it might get interesting:  Prevention.
>Borrowing a tip I first heard from Brandon Wilson, author and long distance
>Pilgrim walker, I massaged my feet with vasoline every night before
>retiring and often every morning before setting out on trail.  Your feet
>will like a routine like this.  Lastly, carry "Leukotape-P" as your hot
>spot magic bullet.  This tape is an outstanding product.  It eliminates
>blister causing friction.  Once applied to clean,dry skin, unlike any
>competing product, it remains in place for days.  You can bathe and shower
>with it on.  It will not come off.  When you want to remove it, the
>threatening hot spot having become a distant memory, you can remove it with
>ease.  I first learned of this product from a Portuguese  hiker while
>Pilgrim walking in Spain where it is sold inexpensively as "Leukoplast".
>Google "Leukotape" and you will find it available here in the U.S. where it
>is apparently a favorite of ultra marathon runners.  I'll never walk long
>trail again without it.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Buffalo Jump Sly!
>AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11, & etc.
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:12:32 -0800 (PST)
>From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Speaking of campfires, Forester Pass
>To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>> > Every year, when they move in to their summer stations,
>> the rangers have to go to the base of the major passes and
>> remove campfire rings where fires aren't allowed. (Above
>> certain elevations in different areas.)
>>
>>
>> A consequence of the fire/elevation rule is that there are
>> often established campsites right below 10,000'.? Good
>> to know if you are aiming for a place to camp...
>
>In my mind, that points to what's often a conflict between the letter of 
>the law and the spirit of the law.  Okay, so there's a rule that I'm not 
>allowed to make fires above 10K ft, so, alright, I'll just camp at 9,999 
>ft. and be okay.  Well, so, if I stop to think about WHY that rule was 
>made, and think about it, maybe I'll still forgo a fire, even if I'm well 
>below the 10K ft. point, and thus assist in addressing the problem about 
>which the rule was made in the first place.  Now, whether or not I CARE 
>(and I do care, incidentally) is something else entirely.
>
>-Nate the Trail Zombie
>Newberg, OR
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:36:41 -0800 (PST)
>From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Johanna Santore <kaiserpt at hughes.net>
>Message-ID:
> <1329518201.33899.YahooMailClassic at web120404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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>>if anyone has any suggestions on getting people to read and follow the 
>>signs, it would be appreciated.
>
>I worked as a custodian for a few years right after college and ALWAYS had 
>trouble with people not heeding the bright yellow "Restroom Closed" sign 
>I'd put up while cleaning, even when the door was also blocked by the large 
>supply cart!  At least once every other day, I'd have someone ask me if the 
>restroom was closed.  DUH!  I once had someone step OVER the sign to enter 
>the room WHILE I was cleaning it!
>So short of shoving the sign into their faces, or beating them over the 
>head with it, I'm afraid I don't have much to tell you.  It seems there 
>will always be people ignoring signs, no matter what you do or how obvious 
>they are.
>
>-Nate the Trail Zombie
>Newberg, OR
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:53:47 -0800
>From: "Sir Mixalot" <atetuna at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
>To: "Nathan Miller" <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Johanna Santore" <kaiserpt at hughes.net>
>Message-ID: <SNT110-DS20AAF2BB06EE9C81C80863B1630 at phx.gbl>
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>One of these days I'm going to petition Monsanto to develop a sterile 
>poison
>oak seed that grows in more areas.  I can think of a few spots along the
>trail where I'd plant it.  I bet that'd be more effective than signs and
>rock barriers.
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Nathan Miller
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:36 PM
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net ; Johanna Santore
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
>
>>if anyone has any suggestions on getting people to read and follow the
>>signs, it would be appreciated.
>
>I worked as a custodian for a few years right after college and ALWAYS had
>trouble with people not heeding the bright yellow "Restroom Closed" sign 
>I'd
>put up while cleaning, even when the door was also blocked by the large
>supply cart!  At least once every other day, I'd have someone ask me if the
>restroom was closed.  DUH!  I once had someone step OVER the sign to enter
>the room WHILE I was cleaning it!
>So short of shoving the sign into their faces, or beating them over the 
>head
>with it, I'm afraid I don't have much to tell you.  It seems there will
>always be people ignoring signs, no matter what you do or how obvious they
>are.
>
>-Nate the Trail Zombie
>Newberg, OR
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:21:01 -0800
>From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <9bjvl13bmwqc0kosi9m7ljfg.1329513661766 at email.android.com>
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>Is that an isocolese "angle" or a right "angle?"  Lol
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>
>"Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>#1: We call folk who help us out along the way ?angles? for a reason. You
>>can make it to Canada without their help. No doubt about it(though, few
>>attempt to). But when someone hands you a cold beer at a trail crossing, 
>>or
>>offers you a place to take a shower, ?angle? is what often comes to mind.
>>So...Treat them with the respect they deserve. If someone opens their home
>>to you, treat it as you would your mother's home; treat it better than yer
>>mom's place. Your mamma's not here to pick-up after ya. And treat them 
>>with
>>the respect you would grant your parents. If there's a donation jar: give
>>till it hurts. You're in America, NOTHING'S FREE. It's not cheap hosting
>>hiker's. Low on funds? Ask how you can help. Do the dishes, pick up a 
>>rake,
>>help clean up the beer cans, take out the trash...find a way to give back.
>>Don't be the douche that everyone is bad mouthing all the way up the line
>>because you're too selfish and entitled to help out. Nobody owes you a
>>thing out there. Don't want to work or pay?...don't stay...simple as that.
>>If ya drink a dozen beers out of the cooler, kick in what ya can on the
>>next run. If you can't afford to help out in So. Cal.?, you don't have
>>enough to make it to Canada anyways. Go home and figure out where you went
>>wrong, don't leave the responsibility of your upkeep to those around you.
>>
>>
>>Jackass
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>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:21:40 -0800
>From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001201ccedca$e75202b0$b5f60810$@comcast.net>
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>A minor point in grammar and/or spelling:
>
>
>ANGEL : a divine being dispensing good; aka a Trail Angel.
>Examples include the Sauffleys and Dinsmores, to list a few.
>
>
>
>ANGLE : a numerical measurement relating to the intersection of two lines
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:50:04 -0800 (PST)
>From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
>To: Johanna Santore <kaiserpt at hughes.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Johanna,
>You are too nice. The issue is not negotiable - I say, there should be a 
>stiff fine for building a campfire where it is prohibited. Is there??Report 
>them to rangers, who will, I hope, write a citation. We can't gamble that 
>people like that won't start wildfires. Hikers who witness this behavior, 
>should tell them to put the fire out immediately. If they do not, report 
>them. Protect our trail, and the environment that it passes through.
>MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Johanna Santore <kaiserpt at hughes.net>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
>
>I maintained the water cache at Swarthout Canyon last year and plan on
>doing the same this year.? It is a very high fire danger area and
>fines for fires are expensive.? I put up signs at the cache but still
>there were people building campfires last summer.? One was so huge it
>looked like a bonfire!? I will put up signs again this year, but if
>anyone has any suggestions on getting people to read and follow the
>signs, it would be appreciated.? I live only a few minutes away and a
>wildfire can travel very fast thru this area.
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:51:01 -0800
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Hey Jackass!  I'll take any angle you're spoutin' and this happens to be
>great advice.  Let's not see a year of angel distress due to inconsiderate
>or just plain cheap hikers.  If you don't have the money to help out
>there's other ways to give back if you're accepting someone else's kindness
>on trail.  Just think about it for a moment and ask to lend a hand.
>
>Good to hear from you.
>
>Shroomer
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:42:26 -0500
>From: Mike Douglass <mdouglass3 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CAEocRd+FOHcerAwbENhmSfJbqY9ZdmRhhCEnTkG_9d-qT-KLaw at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>Hehe...saw this and thought of this thread.  Not exactly on topic
>(expeditions), but an amusing read...Mike
>
>http://www.deeprootsteambuilding.com/docs/Expedition_Behavior-The_Finer_Points.pdf
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Jason M. <jmmoores1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> #1: We call folk who help us out along the way ?angles? for a reason. You
>> can make it to Canada without their help. No doubt about it(though, few
>> attempt to). But when someone hands you a cold beer at a trail crossing, 
>> or
>> offers you a place to take a shower, ?angle? is what often comes to mind.
>> So...Treat them with the respect they deserve. If someone opens their 
>> home
>> to you, treat it as you would your mother's home; treat it better than 
>> yer
>> mom's place. Your mamma's not here to pick-up after ya. And treat them 
>> with
>> the respect you would grant your parents. If there's a donation jar: give
>> till it hurts. You're in America, NOTHING'S FREE. It's not cheap hosting
>> hiker's. Low on funds? Ask how you can help. Do the dishes, pick up a 
>> rake,
>> help clean up the beer cans, take out the trash...find a way to give 
>> back.
>> Don't be the douche that everyone is bad mouthing all the way up the line
>> because you're too selfish and entitled to help out. Nobody owes you a
>> thing out there. Don't want to work or pay?...don't stay...simple as 
>> that.
>> If ya drink a dozen beers out of the cooler, kick in what ya can on the
>> next run. If you can't afford to help out in So. Cal.?, you don't have
>> enough to make it to Canada anyways. Go home and figure out where you 
>> went
>> wrong, don't leave the responsibility of your upkeep to those around you.
>>
>>
>> Jackass
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>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:16:46 -0600
>From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CALKWR3myzDHE54LzrwVqO3RkEtPGM6wfF8ZVhpvxqoA27Ltcbg at mail.gmail.com>
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>hahahahahahahaha...that's what I get for posting after 1a.m...thank's for
>pointing that out Ron...and that was a right "angle" for those keeping
>score.
>
>Jackass
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Is that an isocolese "angle" or a right "angle?"  Lol
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>>
>> "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >#1: We call folk who help us out along the way ?angles? for a reason. 
>> >You
>> >can make it to Canada without their help. No doubt about it(though, few
>> >attempt to). But when someone hands you a cold beer at a trail crossing,
>> or
>> >offers you a place to take a shower, ?angle? is what often comes to 
>> >mind.
>> >So...Treat them with the respect they deserve. If someone opens their 
>> >home
>> >to you, treat it as you would your mother's home; treat it better than 
>> >yer
>> >mom's place. Your mamma's not here to pick-up after ya. And treat them
>> with
>> >the respect you would grant your parents. If there's a donation jar: 
>> >give
>> >till it hurts. You're in America, NOTHING'S FREE. It's not cheap hosting
>> >hiker's. Low on funds? Ask how you can help. Do the dishes, pick up a
>> rake,
>> >help clean up the beer cans, take out the trash...find a way to give 
>> >back.
>> >Don't be the douche that everyone is bad mouthing all the way up the 
>> >line
>> >because you're too selfish and entitled to help out. Nobody owes you a
>> >thing out there. Don't want to work or pay?...don't stay...simple as 
>> >that.
>> >If ya drink a dozen beers out of the cooler, kick in what ya can on the
>> >next run. If you can't afford to help out in So. Cal.?, you don't have
>> >enough to make it to Canada anyways. Go home and figure out where you 
>> >went
>> >wrong, don't leave the responsibility of your upkeep to those around 
>> >you.
>> >
>> >
>> >Jackass
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>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:49:11 -0500
>From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <9C5A2D4E-BB38-4B62-A5AF-A3E29E6F7B3F at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>So obtuse.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Is that an isocolese "angle" or a right "angle?"  Lol
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>>
>> "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> #1: We call folk who help us out along the way ?angles? for a reason. 
>>> You
>>> can make it to Canada without their help. No doubt about it(though, few
>>> attempt to). But when someone hands you a cold beer at a trail crossing, 
>>> or
>>> offers you a place to take a shower, ?angle? is what often comes to 
>>> mind.
>>> So...Treat them with the respect they deserve. If someone opens their 
>>> home
>>> to you, treat it as you would your mother's home; treat it better than 
>>> yer
>>> mom's place. Your mamma's not here to pick-up after ya. And treat them 
>>> with
>>> the respect you would grant your parents. If there's a donation jar: 
>>> give
>>> till it hurts. You're in America, NOTHING'S FREE. It's not cheap hosting
>>> hiker's. Low on funds? Ask how you can help. Do the dishes, pick up a 
>>> rake,
>>> help clean up the beer cans, take out the trash...find a way to give 
>>> back.
>>> Don't be the douche that everyone is bad mouthing all the way up the 
>>> line
>>> because you're too selfish and entitled to help out. Nobody owes you a
>>> thing out there. Don't want to work or pay?...don't stay...simple as 
>>> that.
>>> If ya drink a dozen beers out of the cooler, kick in what ya can on the
>>> next run. If you can't afford to help out in So. Cal.?, you don't have
>>> enough to make it to Canada anyways. Go home and figure out where you 
>>> went
>>> wrong, don't leave the responsibility of your upkeep to those around 
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackass
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>Message: 12
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:08:56 -0500
>From: Webmail dcooper <dcooper at bigsky.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight 1 person tent reccomendations please
>To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Please reccomend a light weight 1 person tent for thru hiking.
>Cooper
>
>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:19:06 -0800
>From: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight 1 person tent reccomendations please
>To: Webmail dcooper <dcooper at bigsky.net>
>Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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>> Please reccomend a light weight 1 person tent for thru hiking.
>> Cooper
>
>
>Cooper,
>
>I wrote this, so I might be a bit bias, but I think this is probably
>the best online list of enclosed solo shelters that exists on the
>internet at the moment:
>
>http://hikelighter.com/2011/12/29/sulxul-enclosed-shelter-comparisons/
>
>Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>John B. Abela
>HikeLighter.Com
>
>
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:33:31 -0700
>From: "Jerry Goller" <geartester at comcast.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] 110 g canister availability
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <01e901ccedee$1695d7e0$43c187a0$@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>Hiking 20+ miles a day, how realistic would it be to find such canisters
>every 5 to 10 days along the entire trail?
>
>Jerry
>
>http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
>reviews on the planet.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:55:05 -0500
>From: juma <juma3 at cox.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] acton, ca
>To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <1329537305.2708.2.camel at juma-desktop>
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>I just realized I could take metrolink from LA up to Acton, which is
>where I wanted to go to get on the trail at Mill Creek Ranger Station.
>Does anyone know if there are stores in Acton?  Is there a cafe or
>something close to the train station?  Thats usually where I can find a
>ride to the trail.
>
>juma
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 16
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:17:04 -0700
>From: "Jerry Goller" <geartester at comcast.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Bear Canisters
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <01ee01ccedf4$2bc9f280$835dd780$@comcast.net>
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>Where are bear canisters first required and where are they last required?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jerry
>
>http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
>reviews on the planet.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 17
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:45:58 -0800
>From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Blister Wisdom: Leukotape
>To: "'Mark Nienstaedt'" <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BAY145-ds21D40EFB1E6C2C6E6D45E1BD600 at phx.gbl>
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>
>Buffalo Jump Sly wrote:
>>
>Lastly, carry "Leukotape-P" as your hot spot magic bullet.  This tape is an
>outstanding product.
>>
>
>I strongly agree with using high-quality sports tape as a 
>blister-prevention
>aid.  Apply it to the areas where you know you're prone to get blisters
>*before* you get hot spots.
>
>However, I personally prefer Kinesio Tex tape over Leukotape.  When I tried
>using Leukotape on the balls of my feet a few years ago I found that yes, 
>it
>sticks tenaciously, but for me the adhesive was actually too aggressive.
>One, the adhesive would leak through the fabric tape and turn my socks into
>gunky messes, and two, I actually ripped a chunk of skin off my foot once
>while trying to remove it.  I found that Kinesio Tex has an adhesive that's
>closer to the perfect balance of strength vs. friendliness for me; it stays
>in place for days, doesn't make a mess, and comes off without harm.
>However, it definitely doesn't survive swimming.  Leukotape has the
>advantage there if that's important to you.
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:47:28 -0700
>From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Canisters
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <4F3F2D60.9000307 at olc.edu>
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>Entering Sequoia National Park just north of Chicken Springs Lake and
>when you leave Yosemite at Dorothy Lake Pass.
>
>On 2/17/2012 9:17 PM, Jerry Goller wrote:
>> Where are bear canisters first required and where are they last required?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
>> reviews on the planet.
>>
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>Message: 19
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:49:37 -0600
>From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Canisters
>To: Jerry Goller <geartester at comcast.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Oh, Jerry!   Look at my book on page 162 of the Planning Guide section,
>also on pages 81-82 of the Trail Tips and Town Guide section.
>
>Yogi
>www.pcthandbook.com
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Jerry Goller 
><geartester at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Where are bear canisters first required and where are they last required?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
>> reviews on the planet.
>>
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>Message: 20
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:50:43 -0600
>From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] acton, ca
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Juma,
>
>the train station parking lot is a good place to start looking for a ride.
>As I recall the station is a mile or two east of Acton, before Vincent Gap.
>I recall a small store and a KOA a few miles west of town and of course the
>KOA where the trail crosses Soladad Canyon Rd. I believe that the metro
>only goes out to Lancaster a few times a day so you may get out to the
>station after "work" hours. There's stealth camping along the access road
>that parallels the tracks.
>
>Jackass
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM, juma <juma3 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I just realized I could take metrolink from LA up to Acton, which is
>> where I wanted to go to get on the trail at Mill Creek Ranger Station.
>> Does anyone know if there are stores in Acton?  Is there a cafe or
>> something close to the train station?  Thats usually where I can find a
>> ride to the trail.
>>
>> juma
>>
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>Message: 21
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:51:03 -0800
>From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Speaking of campfires, Forester Pass
>To: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
>Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CAKhNvBX7Oo2Rk+ocvJA7p_tQHQMWo-37ej0OXMim3t8qh7a3Nw at mail.gmail.com>
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>That's not the rule anymore though, at least for the Sierra & Inyo NF's.
> There are fire restriction maps now.  If the maps were drawn correctly and
>current, the rule is simple.  If there's not a lot of downed wood, then you
>shouldn't have a fire.
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Nathan Miller 
><erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> > > Every year, when they move in to their summer stations,
>> > the rangers have to go to the base of the major passes and
>> > remove campfire rings where fires aren't allowed. (Above
>> > certain elevations in different areas.)
>> >
>> >
>> > A consequence of the fire/elevation rule is that there are
>> > often established campsites right below 10,000'.  Good
>> > to know if you are aiming for a place to camp...
>>
>> In my mind, that points to what's often a conflict between the letter of
>> the law and the spirit of the law.  Okay, so there's a rule that I'm not
>> allowed to make fires above 10K ft, so, alright, I'll just camp at 9,999
>> ft. and be okay.  Well, so, if I stop to think about WHY that rule was
>> made, and think about it, maybe I'll still forgo a fire, even if I'm well
>> below the 10K ft. point, and thus assist in addressing the problem about
>> which the rule was made in the first place.  Now, whether or not I CARE
>> (and I do care, incidentally) is something else entirely.
>>
>> -Nate the Trail Zombie
>> Newberg, OR
>>
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>Message: 22
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:55:35 -0800
>From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Blister Wisdom: Leukotape
>To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
>Cc: Mark Nienstaedt <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CAKhNvBUrdP3DaJ3=qFqFQvObd43ncRAh08ocCvpLE7s6sMYMrw at mail.gmail.com>
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>Thanks Eric.  The bit about kinesio tape not making a mess is enough for me
>to try it.  I've ruined socks because I used leukotape.
>
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Buffalo Jump Sly wrote:
>> >
>> Lastly, carry "Leukotape-P" as your hot spot magic bullet.  This tape is 
>> an
>> outstanding product.
>> >
>>
>> I strongly agree with using high-quality sports tape as a
>> blister-prevention
>> aid.  Apply it to the areas where you know you're prone to get blisters
>> *before* you get hot spots.
>>
>> However, I personally prefer Kinesio Tex tape over Leukotape.  When I 
>> tried
>> using Leukotape on the balls of my feet a few years ago I found that yes,
>> it
>> sticks tenaciously, but for me the adhesive was actually too aggressive.
>> One, the adhesive would leak through the fabric tape and turn my socks 
>> into
>> gunky messes, and two, I actually ripped a chunk of skin off my foot once
>> while trying to remove it.  I found that Kinesio Tex has an adhesive 
>> that's
>> closer to the perfect balance of strength vs. friendliness for me; it 
>> stays
>> in place for days, doesn't make a mess, and comes off without harm.
>> However, it definitely doesn't survive swimming.  Leukotape has the
>> advantage there if that's important to you.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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>Message: 23
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:18:28 -0800
>From: Alan Thurman <alan.thurman at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping bag
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>What temperature ratings are recommended for the Sierras around the
>beginning of April? I have a 25 degree and liner and was wondering through
>others experiences if that would be enough or if a good ol 0 degree is the
>order of the day?
>
>Alan
>
>
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>
>Message: 24
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:41:47 -0500
>From: juma <juma3 at cox.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] acton, ca
>To: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <1329568907.3495.3.camel at juma-desktop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>Thanks to you and Half-mile for the feedback.  Looks like Palmdale may
>be a better stop to get an early morning hitch.  I'd be coming from the
>Mojave area first thing in the morning.
>
>juma
>
>
>On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 22:50 -0600, Jason M. wrote:
>> Juma,
>>
>> the train station parking lot is a good place to start looking for a 
>> ride.
>> As I recall the station is a mile or two east of Acton, before Vincent 
>> Gap.
>> I recall a small store and a KOA a few miles west of town and of course 
>> the
>> KOA where the trail crosses Soladad Canyon Rd. I believe that the metro
>> only goes out to Lancaster a few times a day so you may get out to the
>> station after "work" hours. There's stealth camping along the access road
>> that parallels the tracks.
>>
>> Jackass
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:55 PM, juma <juma3 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I just realized I could take metrolink from LA up to Acton, which is
>> > where I wanted to go to get on the trail at Mill Creek Ranger Station.
>> > Does anyone know if there are stores in Acton?  Is there a cafe or
>> > something close to the train station?  Thats usually where I can find a
>> > ride to the trail.
>> >
>> > juma
>> >
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>Message: 25
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:37:37 -0700
>From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <4F3FC5C1.2070106 at scottbryce.com>
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>On 2/18/2012 3:18 AM, Alan Thurman wrote:
>> What temperature ratings are recommended for the Sierras around the
>> beginning of April?
>
>Are you planning to be in the Sierra the beginning of April, or are you
>planning to hike into the Sierra starting from the border the beginning
>of April?
>
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