[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 49, Issue 34 Re: Knee injury
Terry Williams
tennyson_1 at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 26 18:14:32 CST 2012
Clay,
I torn or literally "crushed" the front of my right knee meniscus last summer. My knee did the same as yours: always swollen and worse and the end of the day. What was happening was pieces of the cartlidge was floating around behind my knee cap and was producing severe inflammation. A very quick MRI gave me all the info I needed and had my knee scoped on Oct. 21. That is a few days past three months and my knee feels great. You potentially have time in my very unprofessional opinion. Cartlidge will not heal on its own. Gotta have it fixed IF that is what it is. Glad I did.
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> 1. Bound, Printed copies of completed trailjournals?
> (Mark Nienstaedt)
> 2. knee injured, a little advice? (Clay Lemar)
> 3. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 4. Re: knee injured, a little advice? (leestcoast at gmail.com)
> 5. Re: knee injured, a little advice? (Eric Lee)
> 6. Re: knee injured, a little advice? (rob gratz)
> 7. Re: knee injured, a little advice? (Eric Lee)
> 8. Warner Springs Ranch (Rick Wiggins)
> 9. Re: Warner Springs Ranch (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
> 10. Knee injured, a little advice? (mikey chapman)
> 11. Water, mosquitoes (Scott M)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:58:28 -0600
> From: Mark Nienstaedt <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bound, Printed copies of completed trailjournals?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Everybody,
>
> I have a www.trailjournals.com/marknienstaedt journal of a successful 2011
> PCT thruhike. It will soon be completed with individual photos coupled
> with each of some 140+ journal entries. Is there a vendor who will copy,
> print, and bind completed trail journals for safekeeping? These would make
> very nice momentos of completed hikes. I would be glad to pay
> reasonably for quality service in this regard if it is commercially
> available.
>
> Also, what do people know about "compressing" photo images?
> Trailjournals.com is very slow to upload uncompressed images. It has taken
> me quite a while to discover a photo compressing capability online:
> http://www.imageoptimizer.net/Pages/Home.aspx I am wondering if there are
> other options or if someone could advise a better alternative.
>
> Buffalo Jump Sly!
> PCT 2011, AT 2002, JMT 2003, LT 2005, & etc. :-)
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:15:28 -0800
> From: Clay Lemar <claylemar at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] knee injured, a little advice?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello PCT-Lers,
>
> I am in trouble, I think, and would appruciate some advice. Its my right
> knee. I have never had problems with it before. It is currently swollen
> (internal swelling) just below the knee cap, in the past two days the
> swelling (tenderness without pain) has spread down my shin. Nearing the
> end of today it is certainly swollen, warm, and tingingling.
>
> I injured my knee three months ago playing soccer. I slide takled a friend
> with nearly all of my weight directly on my knee cap. Intense and deep
> brusing, hobbling around the house, and trouble sleeping for three nights.
> It went away. Three weeks that same knee started going numb and warm as I
> went about my day. I was anxious at first, now I am worried. Two weeks ago
> a little swelling. Now a lot of swelling, heat, and numbness. I am hobbling
> (out of worry not pain) and standing with all of my weight on my left leg.
>
> I want to leave in April or May, and I am biting my nails beacuse if this
> happened on trail I am pretty sure it would have stopped me. Does anybody
> have exprience with healing a deep bruise or other knee problem like this?
>
> Advice appruciated, encoragments more so!
>
> Thank you,
>
> clay lemar
> petaluma california
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:18:43 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
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> Breaks are for suckers. I rarely took a break. Hiking the PCT was a
> job and I had the meanest boss ever. Not that I recommend this,
> that's just how it was for me.
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> > experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on
> > average,
> > take breaks from walking? Every hour, every two hours, etc. If I
> > was to,
> > lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or 15 minute break, and
> > do that
> > every 2 hours, is that reasonable? Or are you powerhiking 4-5 hours
> > at a
> > stretch to get your miles in for the day? Yes, you guessed it, I'm an
> > inexperienced long distance backpacker, but as I have said, I WANT
> > TO LEARN
> > FROM YOU. Taking frequent breaks is, I think, going to be an
> > important
> > strategy for me to be able to pull this thru-hike off, unless
> > taking too
> > many breaks will take TOO MUCH time to complete such a hike. I
> > appreciate
> > any and all responses. Thank you, Mark
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:25:13 +0000
> From: leestcoast at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] knee injured, a little advice?
> To: "Clay Lemar" <claylemar at gmail.com>, pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey Clay, I'm not a medical professional, and without knowing your day to day exercise routine, or what other knee trauma that may have occurred, my advice is focus on now instead of 2 months down the line when you want to hit the trail. See someone right away, whether it's a GP or a PT or an Orthopedic specialist - hopefully someone with experience with football/soccer/rugby/mma/martial arts- type injuries. Your symptoms suggest some damage that's not going to heal on it's own. Just get some help. Best wishes, Cruz Control
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:35:46 -0800
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] knee injured, a little advice?
> To: "'Clay Lemar'" <claylemar at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Clay wrote:
> >
> I am in trouble, I think, and would appruciate some advice. Its my right
> knee. I have never had problems with it before. It is currently swollen
> (internal swelling) just below the knee cap, in the past two days the
> swelling (tenderness without pain) has spread down my shin. Nearing the end
> of today it is certainly swollen, warm, and tingingling.
> >
>
> I'd strongly recommend a visit to a sports/orthopedic doctor who specializes
> in such things. Knees are tricky things and if it's been three months since
> your original injury then it's time to get some help. Best of luck to you.
>
> Eric
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:06:43 -0800
> From: rob gratz <hikergratz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] knee injured, a little advice?
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> again,if someone is asking medical advice on an internet forum it
> probally means you have no access to medical care.am i the only blue
> collar person on this list?even when i was lucky enough to have
> insurance it would never have covered anything like an orthopedic
> doctor.most of my treatment consisted of ,stay off of it and heres a
> persciption for vicodan.i think a lot of you live in a fantasyland
> where everyone gets gold plated treatment.the truth is these
> specailists are only for a chosen few.
>
> On 1/25/12, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Clay wrote:
> >>
> > I am in trouble, I think, and would appruciate some advice. Its my right
> > knee. I have never had problems with it before. It is currently swollen
> > (internal swelling) just below the knee cap, in the past two days the
> > swelling (tenderness without pain) has spread down my shin. Nearing the end
> > of today it is certainly swollen, warm, and tingingling.
> >>
> >
> > I'd strongly recommend a visit to a sports/orthopedic doctor who specializes
> > in such things. Knees are tricky things and if it's been three months since
> > your original injury then it's time to get some help. Best of luck to you.
> >
> > Eric
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:00:59 -0800
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] knee injured, a little advice?
> To: "'rob gratz'" <hikergratz at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Rob wrote:
> >
> again,if someone is asking medical advice on an internet forum it probally
> means you have no access to medical care.
> >
>
> Well, yes, that may be true, but since very few of us are medical
> professionals, asking for medical advice about an apparently serious injury
> on an internet forum is probably going to result in either "see a doctor" or
> "stay off of it and take some Vicodan." Anything else we could say is
> likely to be misleading or flat out wrong.
>
> It sounds like Clay is planning a thru-hike this year so he's probably got
> some money saved up. My best advice is to take some of that money and go
> see a doctor. He's not going to be hiking anywhere in the condition he's
> in.
>
> If I were to hazard a wild guess, I'd suggest that Clay do some web searches
> on "torn meniscus". It's conceivable that he tore one or more of the
> menisci, and recovered from the initial trauma, but the torn flap or
> detached piece has since gotten lodged somewhere where it's not supposed to
> be. Or it could be something completely different, with different treatment
> requirements. The problem with guessing is that we can easily guess wrong.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meniscus_Tears
>
> Eric
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:22:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: Rick Wiggins <moosewig at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Ranch
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Anybody know the latest on WS Ranch??? Is there any forecast on reopen date???
> Its going to be hard to walk past that place without a soak!!!
> ?
> ?
> ?
> Just hopin,
> ?
> MeanderMoose
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:35:50 -0800
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Ranch
> To: "Rick Wiggins" <moosewig at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I spoke at them toward the end of last year and they do not expect to be
> open for hiker season this year. I don't recall the specific timetable but
> in talking with their manager it was clear that, even if everything went
> smoothly, the herd will be well past before they re-open. The closure
> includes the gas station and mini-mart there as well. If will NOT affect
> the Post Office.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Wiggins
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:22 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Ranch
>
> Anybody know the latest on WS Ranch?? Is there any forecast on reopen
> date???
> Its going to be hard to walk past that place without a soak!!!
>
>
>
> Just hopin,
>
> MeanderMoose
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:42:17 -0800
> From: mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Knee injured, a little advice?
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> Howdy Clay, The bad news is your knee is injured. The good
> news........ Your not on the trail! Thank your lucky stars. The
> places that have hospitals near the pct are very unlikely to have a
> specialist that you may need. Plus, the pain of injuries can feel like
> nothing,compared to watching all your new friends head north without
> you. All the prep work,the training,the saving,getting the time to do
> it,all taken away,just like that. Its very hard to accept.
> Somehow,someway,get that knee looked at(maybe a clinic/the poor mans
> specialist). Good Luck to you Clay. Hey Rob,im not just a blue
> collar,im a flatout black sheep! My stepdads answer to medical
> coverage was epsom salts,im lucky to have made it to adulthood.
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0800
> From: Scott M <riccous at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Water, mosquitoes
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> Assuming this very low rain/snow year continues, what kind of levels of
> mosquitoes should I expect. And where? Also there is talk of starting
> early. If I start on the 26th at the border am I going to have problems
> with water sources?
>
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