[pct-l] NO BIKES SIGNS

Wed Oct 17 14:26:41 CDT 2012

I am not familiar at all with how the mountain bike community works.  But if it was policy to leave all logs that were easy to step over untouched, you could likely make a case that it preserves the integrity of the trail by:1) preventing unauthorized mechanical transportation from using and damaging the trail2) allowing limited resources to deal with other obstacles that are a hinderance to authorized users of the trail3) adding to the 'wild' nature of the trail4) helping to stabilize slopes 
And I am sure some of you more creative types could come up with other advantages for leaving the trail in a 'more natural state'.

Ed Jarretthttp://aclayjar.blogspot.com/

> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:16:10 +0100
> From: fredwalters2 at gmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] NO BIKES SIGNS
> 
> I would worry that the MTBers would then declare that the
> hikers/horsemen/horsewomen were inadequately maintaining the trail,
> allowing it to disappear and that the only solution would be to allow them
> "given their history of so much trail work elsewhere" (truth is not the
> issue here).  And the Forrestry Commission may them well agree when shown
> loads of photos of fallen trees left.
> 
> I completely agree that making the trail unsuited to MTBs is a good idea,
> but how this is done needs to ensure it does not help the MTB community in
> the fight.
> 
> Fred
> 
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Andrea Dinsmore <
> andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:
> 
> > Foot traffic and horses could get over the natural obstacles but bikes
> > would have to dismount and carry the bikes over or around it. I also was
> > looking at some of the deep ruts in some photos and thought that hikers
> > could easily walk around the patches but the bikes over time would get hung
> > up the deeper they got. Folks also have commented that there were very few
> > collisions between hikers and bikers on the PCT. Could be that most bikers
> > understand it is illegal to ride the PCT. If it opens up to bikes there
> > will be more collisions.Both the hiker and the biker may be injured.  I
> > also think that all hikers should "hug the wall" instead of hanging on the
> > edge when being passed by a bike. Keep yourself as safe as possible.
> >
> > PCT MOM
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think a simpler solution, already mentioned at least once, is just to
> > > leave trees that fall across the trail, so long as they are easy for a
> > > person or horse to step over.  The section of the trail just north of
> > > Crater Lake this year is one that I doubt any bike riders would want to
> > > traverse; even when the higher trees and branches were removed.
> > >
> > > Ed Jarretthttp://aclayjar.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:37:14 -0400
> > > > From: aslive at charter.net
> > > > To: mendoridered at yahoo.com
> > > > CC: jhaskel at pcta.org; pct-l at backcountry.net; brick at brickrobbins.com;
> > > abiegen at cox.net; kmurray at pol.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] NO BIKES SIGNS
> > > >
> > > > We could erect barriers at the trailheads to keep bikes out.  This may
> > > > involve putting up some finceing along either side of the trail for
> > some
> > > > distance.  These would need to be of such design so as to stop bikes
> > and
> > > > yet allow horses through.  I don't know what that would look like.
> > > >
> > > > Shepherd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Edward Anderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I respectfully disagree. If they deface the sign, I will take a
> > > > > picture of that. If the signs, attached to the existing PCT posts,
> > > > > also state that there is a FINE for non-compliance many of them will
> > > > > be discouraged from ignoring the law. Do you have suggestions other
> > > > > than signs that might help to discourage them? If we do not become
> > > > > proactive they will win!  As you said, they are organized.
> > > > >
> > > > > MendoRider-Hiker
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >  From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > > > > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net> Sent: Monday,
> > > > > October 15, 2012 11:43 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] CAMERA ENCOUNTER WITH 3 MB'S ON SECTION D
> > > > >   On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Edward Anderson
> > > > > <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Something else that I would like to add is the need for SIGNS. <
> > > > >
> > > > > Recently on the TRT, the "No Bikes" sign on the Mt Rose Wilderness
> > > > > boundary had a large "MBLF" (Mountain Bike Liberation Front) graffiti
> > > > > on it. More signs just give the MTBers more opportunity to deface
> > > > > things. While most of them are good citizens, a LARGE minority are
> > not
> > > > >
> > > > > Signs will not work and the MTB folks will not be satisfied until
> > they
> > > > > own all the trails everywhere, including the PCT and Wilderness. They
> > > > > are organized, and savvy, and know how to work the system. This is
> > NOT
> > > > > a short term fight.
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