[pct-l] Your use of PCT-L messages

Lindsey Sommer lgsommer at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 14:57:20 CDT 2012


Eh, I don't mind. HOWEVER, I am by no means an authority when it comes to
stoves much less jetboil, so hopefully they'll do some research into such
things :)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Dan,
>
> My mistake. I felt that it is important that the manufacturer be aware of
> legitimite complaints. I seriously doubt that either Lindsey or Isabella
> would object. I agree that I should have gotten their permission first. You
> are right - next time I will seek permission first.
>
> MendoRider
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:41 PM
> Subject: Your use of PCT-L messages
>
>
> Howdy! My name is Dan, and I an fairly new to the list. I have only
> lurked, and occasionally reply privately to someone's list message. I
> humbly appreciate all of the knowledge and experience that is available.
> I wanted to tell you that I understand why you are using other folk's
> messages, but I am curious if you seek their permission first? If nothing
> else, there is a copyright notice at the bottom of each message addressed
> to the list. I doubt it would hold any water in court, if anyone even got
> upset enough to go there. I understand how you feel living do close to fire
> danger, as I grew up in Solana Beach, CA, and I have also worked at some
> fires as part of a volunteer communications group.
> Should you ever consider it, you do not have my permission to use anything
> I submit for any purpose without my explicit permission. I simply want to
> make that clear since you have demonstrated that you will use what others
> say. I can, and will, speak for myself when the need arises. I can
> appreciate the use of the idea of something I say being used to help make a
> point or to help another, but I personally would not copy someone's writing
> verbatim without their permission. I hope you understand.
> Again, thank you for your effort and experience. I read every message to
> PCT-L with a great deal of interest.
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> On Sep 20, 2012 11:02 AM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Jetboil Customer Service,
> >
> >It is important that you know about these complaints. Have you now made
> changes/improvements. I have an older Jetboil and am very happy with it.
> Was considering getting one of the newer Titanium models. I will pause,
> awaiting recent reviews.
> >
> >Ed Andereson
> >
> >----- Forwarded Message -----
> >From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> >To: Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com>
> >Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
> >
> >It's interesting that you mention the new Jetboil models having issues.
> >I've been reading reviews on the REI site, and while overall the
> >general consensus is great, people have a few complaints:
> >
> >- The igniter is terrible at high altitude. almost always resulting in
> >having to use a match or lighter.
> >- The sleeve feels flimsy. However, it appears that they'v been replacing
> >these free of charge with a more robust version.
> >
> >I'm wondering if they're sacrificing some quality for lightweight-ness.
> I'm
> >thinking I might test one out just to sate my curiosity though :)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Lindsey
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've carried a Jetboil for about 7 years.   The bottom line is that it
> >> ALWAYS ends up as the default stove for speed, cooking in the tent when
> >> it's pouring outside and simplicity of use.....no matches.......against
> >> pocket rockets, alcohol and wood burning stoves.   And I can get 10
> days of
> >> use out of a small can of fuel making a hot breakfast, hot dinner and a
> big
> >> cup of tea every day.
> >>
> >> I just upgraded to the Titanium one a couple of years ago
> >>
> >> I have been very disappointed in my Titanium Jetboil.  It doesn't light
> up
> >> on the first press of the button like my original one does (every single
> >> time for years....no matter what the air temperature was).
> >>
> >> And then this year a piece of the heat disperser just fell off the stove
> >> when it was running one day.  I returned it to REI and got a new one.
> The
> >> new one failed to light and we even had to use a match to start it.  I
> took
> >> it back.  Just got another new one but will not take it in the field
> until
> >> it is garage tested a number of times.  Are they trying to build too
> many
> >> too fast?......or?
> >>
> >> Maybe I'll go back to carrying my original Jetboil........tried and
> true!!!
> >>
> >> Mademoiselle
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Sommer" <lgsommer at gmail.com
> >
> >> To: "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:13 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  All this talk of the Jetboil lately makes me want to look into one
> >>> actually! They've always seemed clunky, but more stable than the MSR
> >>> pocket
> >>> rocket + pot that I use. The new ones look nice, other than the
> >>> flimsy sleeve, but Jetboil has apparently been replacing these for
> free.
> >>> Something to think about...
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Edward Anderson <
> mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I forgot to mention in my last post that the very fuel efficient new
> >>>> Jetboil Titanium stoves sold at REI include another safety and
> >>>> convenience
> >>>> feature - a built-in wind shield. A "cozy" to help keep your food
> warm is
> >>>> also standard. With the increased availability of fuel canisters and
> that
> >>>> they can legally be shipped via UPS, the titanium stoves should become
> >>>> attractive to even the UL hikers.
> >>>>
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