[pct-l] Your use of PCT-L messages

Lindsey Sommer lgsommer at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 15:53:08 CDT 2012


Perhaps we should all agree to get that approved beforehand, in the future?

Cheers,
Lindsey

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>wrote:

> And MendoRider's posting of this private message from Dan  to the list
> is also a violation of email etiquette.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Edward Anderson
> <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > My mistake. I felt that it is important that the manufacturer be aware
> of legitimite complaints. I seriously doubt that either Lindsey or Isabella
> would object. I agree that I should have gotten their permission first. You
> are right - next time I will seek permission first.
> >
> > MendoRider
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> > To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:41 PM
> > Subject: Your use of PCT-L messages
> >
> >
> > Howdy! My name is Dan, and I an fairly new to the list. I have only
> lurked, and occasionally reply privately to someone's list message. I
> humbly appreciate all of the knowledge and experience that is available.
> > I wanted to tell you that I understand why you are using other folk's
> messages, but I am curious if you seek their permission first? If nothing
> else, there is a copyright notice at the bottom of each message addressed
> to the list. I doubt it would hold any water in court, if anyone even got
> upset enough to go there. I understand how you feel living do close to fire
> danger, as I grew up in Solana Beach, CA, and I have also worked at some
> fires as part of a volunteer communications group.
> > Should you ever consider it, you do not have my permission to use
> anything I submit for any purpose without my explicit permission. I simply
> want to make that clear since you have demonstrated that you will use what
> others say. I can, and will, speak for myself when the need arises. I can
> appreciate the use of the idea of something I say being used to help make a
> point or to help another, but I personally would not copy someone's writing
> verbatim without their permission. I hope you understand.
> > Again, thank you for your effort and experience. I read every message to
> PCT-L with a great deal of interest.
> > Dan Jacobs
> > Washougal
> > On Sep 20, 2012 11:02 AM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jetboil Customer Service,
> >>
> >>It is important that you know about these complaints. Have you now made
> changes/improvements. I have an older Jetboil and am very happy with it.
> Was considering getting one of the newer Titanium models. I will pause,
> awaiting recent reviews.
> >>
> >>Ed Andereson
> >>
> >>----- Forwarded Message -----
> >>From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> >>To: Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com>
> >>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:57 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
> >>
> >>It's interesting that you mention the new Jetboil models having issues.
> >>I've been reading reviews on the REI site, and while overall the
> >>general consensus is great, people have a few complaints:
> >>
> >>- The igniter is terrible at high altitude. almost always resulting in
> >>having to use a match or lighter.
> >>- The sleeve feels flimsy. However, it appears that they'v been replacing
> >>these free of charge with a more robust version.
> >>
> >>I'm wondering if they're sacrificing some quality for lightweight-ness.
> I'm
> >>thinking I might test one out just to sate my curiosity though :)
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Lindsey
> >>
> >>On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've carried a Jetboil for about 7 years.   The bottom line is that it
> >>> ALWAYS ends up as the default stove for speed, cooking in the tent when
> >>> it's pouring outside and simplicity of use.....no matches.......against
> >>> pocket rockets, alcohol and wood burning stoves.   And I can get 10
> days of
> >>> use out of a small can of fuel making a hot breakfast, hot dinner and
> a big
> >>> cup of tea every day.
> >>>
> >>> I just upgraded to the Titanium one a couple of years ago
> >>>
> >>> I have been very disappointed in my Titanium Jetboil.  It doesn't
> light up
> >>> on the first press of the button like my original one does (every
> single
> >>> time for years....no matter what the air temperature was).
> >>>
> >>> And then this year a piece of the heat disperser just fell off the
> stove
> >>> when it was running one day.  I returned it to REI and got a new one.
> The
> >>> new one failed to light and we even had to use a match to start it.  I
> took
> >>> it back.  Just got another new one but will not take it in the field
> until
> >>> it is garage tested a number of times.  Are they trying to build too
> many
> >>> too fast?......or?
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I'll go back to carrying my original Jetboil........tried and
> true!!!
> >>>
> >>> Mademoiselle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Sommer" <
> lgsommer at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> >>> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:13 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  All this talk of the Jetboil lately makes me want to look into one
> >>>> actually! They've always seemed clunky, but more stable than the MSR
> >>>> pocket
> >>>> rocket + pot that I use. The new ones look nice, other than the
> >>>> flimsy sleeve, but Jetboil has apparently been replacing these for
> free.
> >>>> Something to think about...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Edward Anderson <
> mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  I forgot to mention in my last post that the very fuel efficient new
> >>>>> Jetboil Titanium stoves sold at REI include another safety and
> >>>>> convenience
> >>>>> feature - a built-in wind shield. A "cozy" to help keep your food
> warm is
> >>>>> also standard. With the increased availability of fuel canisters and
> that
> >>>>> they can legally be shipped via UPS, the titanium stoves should
> become
> >>>>> attractive to even the UL hikers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MendoRider
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