[pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold

[Terry]

Julia, 
I do believe JMT's post was very much "tongue in cheek".
Many times things get misunderstood when in the written word, we don't have the benefit of voice inflection to let others know our statement is being made in a fun way. 
I don't know Reinold personally but, I have read enough of his post to know he is a good person and in no way trying to insult anyone.

Terry
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On Apr 22, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Julia Stifler <julia.stifler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oz Man,
> 
> JMT Reinhold's post about why male hikers are happier campers was by far
> the most offensive thing I have read in a while.  Then I read your post.
> After deciphering your questionable grammatical decisions in order to
> understand the content of your message, I felt compelled to make my first
> ever post in this forum.  Your words are just too insensitive for me to
> brush off, and I want to show Louise some solidarity on this one.
> 
> I completely disagree with your statement that Louise is "crying wolf" and
> "whining." To me, Louise's post seemed like a thoughtful, (mostly)
> civilized, justified response to some very sexist comments.  So I'm having
> a hard time understanding why you think she is "playing this card for no
> reason."
> 
> It seems as though you are missing an understanding of what it means to
> have privilege.  It is a widely known truth that in the vast majority of
> societies, there is privilege in being a man.  Anyone who is reading or
> posting in this forum has a certain amount of privilege too, simply by
> nature of being able to read and, for many of us, being able to spend half
> a year hiking the PCT and not earning any income.  Women may not be in the
> most privileged gender, but we do hold other privileges.  Louise apparently
> has the privilege of being educated, as evidenced by her ability to use a
> comma and write eloquently about issues that seem to be difficult for you
> to grasp.
> 
> You said, "AS MEN... we don't give a shit. We don't care about your girly
> clubs or women only groups."  Oz Man, that's because you don't have to give
> a shit.  You can stay in your big-headed man bubble and not worry about
> what it means to be marginalized because you were born with a penis and
> don't have to fight to be treated with respect in the same way that women
> too often do.
> 
> I'm not asking for a rebuttal or a continuation of this heated argument.
> I'm just asking you and everyone else to think about what it means to fall
> into various categories of privilege and to be aware of the fact that
> moving toward equality depends largely on our ability to understand the
> inequalities that exist.
> 
> Louise, I wouldn't waste that dramatic (and hilarious) diva cup maneuver on
> JMT Reinhold if I were you.
> 
> And JMT Reinhold, I can tolerate the common, albeit ignorant, stereotypes
> about women to a certain extent, but the part about causing forest fires is
> completely out of line.
> 
> Julia
> 
> Louise,
> 
> you have a very valid point. However don't go jumping all over the idea
> that it creates another barrier for women. If in fact you do feel that way,
> you may want to take a serious look at your country and realize maybe its
> time to stop crying wolf.
> 
> I get that women have been suppressed for decades upon decades, but lets
> not act like its that so bad now. Woman (AND RIGHTLY SO) have equal rights.
> Didn't you just have a woman run for president 2 elections ago?
> 
> Cosmopolitan has a list out of 14 things Women are better than men at.....
> How many men do you hear crying? WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!
> 
> Women:
> Learn Faster
> Higher IQ test results
> Cleaner
> women evolve hotter (a woman's magazine said this not a mans)
> women are more recession proof? lmao
> graduate more often then men
> Live longer
> better managers
> 
> As a matter of fact how many groups do you know of that are just PRO man?
> If there are, its loaded with women crying about their rights to be able to
> join. Every single "man only" thing has come under fire from women. (some
> legit and some just because I think you have a chip on your shoulder)
> 
> Yet at the same time women have their feminist clubs, they have women only
> gatherings, create hot lists about men,  have the right to say they are
> statistically better aim then men, better driving records, hold the most
> important role in a household (be it stay at home or working) AS MEN... we
> don't give a shit. We don't care about your girly clubs or women only
> groups. We don't think about it and you sure a shit won't see a protest of
> just men wanting to join the exclusive
> 
> Yet if a man happens to make a list of beautiful women, or claims to
> be superior in ANY way over a woman... well oh my...... "hell have no fury
> like a woman's scorn"
> 
> You said "yet another barrier for women to access the already
> male-dominated scene of backpackers by perpetuating gender stereotypes and
> reinforcing patriarchy."
> 
> If backpacking is a male dominated sport in your country, I'll ask why?
> Please tell me it's not because men refuse to share the trail? Don't be
> an idiot..
> 
> Sexism is very real and very pathetic. However the one thing I find more
> pathetic is when women play that card for no reason.
> 
> The guys post was ridiculous and in turn only one person replied. That was
> one reply too many.
> 
> Could you have imagined the replies a woman would have received had she
> wrote a similar email?  Male backpacking on the PCT might have
> doubled....lol
> 
> Stop whining....
> 
> As for your post script.... evidence that even stupidity is held by both
> genders...
> 
> "P.S. If I run into you in the woods, I promise you I will rip my Diva cup
> out of my vagina and throw my blood all over your face."
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Louise Sawyer
> <louisecoushatta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Attn: JMT Reinhold,
>> 
>> Your post entitled  "Why are male hikers happier campers than female
>> hikers?" is excruciatingly offensive. It is clear that your intention is
> to
>> get a rise out of people, and as much as I do not want to give you that
>> pleasure, I refuse to allow you to dominate this conversation with sexism
>> without publicly responding to your words.
>> 
>> This forum is supposed to be a safe space for folks to ask questions,
> offer
>> advice, and swap ideas. On the contrary, your post creates yet another
>> barrier for women to access the already male-dominated scene of
> backpackers
>> by perpetuating gender stereotypes and reinforcing patriarchy. In your
>> post, you are blatantly insinuating that you believe that women are less
>> capable--intellectually and physiologically--of succeeding in the
> outdoors.
>> Are you serious? Even if this is a "joke," you should be embarrassed that
>> you have those thoughts in your head. How wrong you are! And what an
>> ignorant, sexist pig you are! Boasting about your physical inability to
> get
>> pregnant or menstruate...REALLY?!?! Are you twelve?!
>> 
>> It's pathetic that you feel the need to write sexist garbage to make
>> yourself feel better about yourself. Please keep your thoughts to
> yourself.
>> 
>> XoXo,
>> Louise
>> 
>> P.S. If I run into you in the woods, I promise you I will rip my Diva cup
>> out of my vagina and throw my blood all over your face.
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