[pct-l] PCTRI response to the Forest Service upholding PCT mountain biking closure

[Diarmaid Harmon]

No not the least bit over sensitive just pointing out you start alienating people when you choose political attacks to try to make your point. But then again as I believe you are from the mountain bike side then I can understand your wish to drive a wedge on this site. 
JMHO. 

Irish. 

Mistyped and autocorrected by my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2013, at 10:37 PM, "Ken Murray" <kmurray at dr.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you are a little over sensitive.  As I was thinking of an example of leaders of a movement being like lemmings in believing something that was simply not true, I thought about the specter of Karl Rove throwing a gasket as he, and the entire Tea Party movement, thought that they were going to win the last election by a huge percentage, instead of by a significant margin in the other direction.  In fact, they lost by a significant margin in the other direction.  Reportedly, significant donors to them were majorly upset at being deceived, and looked to withdraw funding in the future.
>  
> I like the idea of that model that is clear for people to understand the dynamics.
>  
> You may not choose to believe so, but the issue of the PCT remaining bike free is TOTALLY a political issue.  If you don't recognize it for what it is, you will be like Karl Rove.
>  
> You may choose to use a different example of political delusion, although I cannot think of such a clear cut one in recent times.....perhaps that the Iraqi's would greet the US Military with parades??
>  
> But it doesn't change the fact that it is a political issue, and to attempt change, it takes the use of resources.
>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Diarmaid Harmon
>> Sent: 12/28/13 05:58 PM
>> To: Ken Murray
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTRI response to the Forest Service upholding PCT mountain biking closure
>>  
>> I agreed with your response until you decided to throw a political hand grenade into the mix. Both sides lie and deceive both as bad as the other. So please leave the petty politics out of it. Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever party you sing up to has nothing to do with saving the PCT for hikers and equestrian users. There is no place for derision in the one forum where the love of hiking should know now borders. Bring on all hikers of all beliefs, races, religions and political or sexual orientation. The trail makes no distinction neither should we. Our only common enemy should be those trying to teardown that which we hold dear, the PCT. 
>> 
>> Irish. 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Ken Murray <kmurray at dr.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> > I AGREE with the biker position, as outlined in this letter. 
>> > 
>> > Don't blow a gasket. 
>> > 
>> > I agree with this, because going through an exhaustive process, involving lawyers, facilitators, advocates and everything else will result in a PERMANENT, crystal clear ruling on the issue. 
>> > 
>> > I believe the legal position is that strong. I am not afraid. 
>> > 
>> > I also think that putting the bikers through that process will sap their resources tremendously, and significantly damage their advocacy organizations. 
>> > 
>> > When individual bikers discover that they were misled, and their money was spent on crazy unrealistic goals, they will quit in disgust. Right now, they are being fed an unopposed diet of misinformation....sort of like the Tea Party. 
>> > 
>> > Plus, the higher profile emerging from this very public process will make it virtually impossible for scofflaws to plead ignorance. 
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