[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11
David Evans
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Thu Jan 10 15:18:10 CST 2013
There is an interesting thread going on vegan hiking you might like or want to contribute to
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> 1. Re: Successful Thruhike with Dog (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
> 2. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (Christopher Sussman)
> 3. Re: Ice axes (Cat Nelson)
> 4. Re: Ice axes (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 5. Re: Successful Thruhike with Dog (Brick Robbins)
> 6. Re: Successful Thruhike with Dog (Jeffrey Olson)
> 7. Vegan thru hike (Mary Kwart)
> 8. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (Ryan Hull)
> 9. Re: Successful Thruhike with Dog (Brick Robbins)
> 10. Porcini on the CT (Mary Kwart)
> 11. Re: ZPacks sleeping bags (Scott Williams)
> 12. Re: All of which raises the question... (A.C. Scott )
> 13. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (David Thibault)
> 14. Re: ZPacks sleeping bags (Jeffrey Olson)
> 15. Re: Successful Thruhike with Dog (Scott Williams)
> 16. Crampons or micro spikes (Geoff Mahoney)
> 17. printing Halfmile's maps (Grady Clawson)
> 18. Re: Crampons for trail runners (Ned Tibbits)
> 19. Re: Ice axes (Ben Newkirk)
> 20. Re: Porcini on the CT (Scott Williams)
> 21. Re: ZPacks sleeping bags (Scott Williams)
> 22. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (Scott Williams)
> 23. Re: Porcini on the CT (A.C. Scott )
> 24. Re: Porcini on the CT (Jeffrey Olson)
> 25. Re: Porcini on the CT (Scott Williams)
> 26. Re: Porcini on the CT (A.C. Scott )
> 27. Re: PCT Thru Hiker Resupply Locations (Daniel Zellman)
> 28. Re: Pemmican (Tortoise)
> 29. Vegan Thru Hike? (Becky Cohen)
> 30. Successful Thruhike with Dog (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 31. Re: Crampons for trail runners
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 32. Re: Crampons for trail runners (Matt Signore)
> 33. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 34. Re: Vegan Thru Hike? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 35. For sale: Jardine Tarp and Bug net (Logan Siler)
> 36. Vegan Thru-Hike (lorna at ptera.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:11:07 -0800
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "Barry Teschlog"
> <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
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> Ah, you seem to overlook the fact that the snake might get the pooch first.
> Then no BBQ snake.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:46 PM
> To: Barry Teschlog
> Cc: PCTL
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
>
> And dogs could scare up a rattlesnake which you could skin and eat. Let's
> start up that goofy thread too. Seems like it comes up every year.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Barry Teschlog
> <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Yogi wrote:
>> "The GREAT thing about thru-hiking with a dog is that it can carry your
>> gun, your bear canister, and your water through the desert."
>>
>>
>> The big thing Yogi forgot in that list is that the dog can also carry the
>> spare parts to the mountain bike - extra spokes, tubes, tires, chain, the
>> pump, tools and the rest.
>>
>>
>> After all, having Rover run along as you ride the "Perfect Cycling Trail"
>> would be GREAT!
>>
>> (Note: the above is 100% snark, if not 120%. Please spare the nasty
>> grams - I've previously made my view clear on the matter. In fact, I'd
>> hope that the errant dog on the trail would be trained to lift it's leg
>> on,
>> or better still, squat and leave a "deposit" on any mountain bikes it
>> comes
>> across on the PCT. Now THAT would be the kind of trail dog I could REALLY
>> like. Good Rover.....on the seat Rover....on the seat Rover....good boy,
>> good boy, here's a treat.)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:11:36 -0500
> From: Christopher Sussman <chris.sussman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
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> Becky,
> While we can understand and partially agree with Yogi's assessment, we
> thru hiked the PCT this year and were vegetarians the whole way. We
> also knew another thru hiker who was vegan. Are we the minority? Quite
> possibly. Is it unheard of? No. You can certainly hike the trail as a
> vegetarian and though we cannot speak for the vegan side of things it
> seems doable. Just enter with an open mind and know that change is
> good. We just happened to find that our dietary preference was
> something that did not change. We shipped ourselves food half the time
> and bought along the trail for the remainder.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris & Sarah
> (Shivers & BAM PCT 2012)
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:24:46 -0800
> From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice axes
> To: "belcherjd at juno.com" <belcherjd at juno.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Is there such a thing as an adjustable combo hiking stick/ice ax? Maybe
> removeable head?
> On Jan 9, 2013 4:03 PM, "belcherjd at juno.com" <belcherjd at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Ned, Sonya, Matt, and Scott.
>>
>> Your replies are very helpful as was a reply from John ?GQ? Duncan class
>> of 2011 regarding his high snow year experiences.
>>
>> I have a pair of hiking boots I was considering on using through the
>> Sierra?s until I realized that they fit me prefect now ?.. not after 700
>> miles of abuse to my feet:)
>>
>> So, I shall stay with the trail runners and pick up a pair of KTS Aluminum
>> Crampons.
>>
>>
>> Ned and all, next question.
>> I?ve been going to purchase the BD Raven Pro at 14 oz but also looking
>> intently at the CAMP USA Corsa axe which is only 7 oz (60cm is a perfect
>> fit). For our purposes (not going to be hanging off the edge of a glacier)
>> it would do fine?? Yes/No - what?s the thoughts here?
>>
>>
>> 'til later
>> Jon (Gandalf - PCT class of 2013)
>> Marysville WA
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:35:13 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice axes
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> Good evening, Cat,
>
> Yes and no. The Black Diamond Whippet mentioned here
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264671 is a combination tool
> which used to be offered with a removable axe head, but most recently I
> understand they made the head fixed. Some people like them. I wouldn?t
> carry one unless the head could be removed.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there such a thing as an adjustable combo hiking stick/ice ax? Maybe
>> removeable head?
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:49:24 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> Cc: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:11 PM, <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Ah, you seem to overlook the fact that the snake might get the pooch first.
>> Then no BBQ snake.
>
>
> BBQ Dog?
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:52:56 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> BBQ Dog?
>
> Don't laugh. I was stuck for four days in a blizzard/white out in the
> Emigrant Wilderness next to Huckleberry Lake in a Stevenson tent with a
> friend and we wouldn't let my dog in. On the morning of the 4th day
> when our food was getting low, we discussed what we would do if we ran
> out. Nefertiti, as much as I loved her, would have been food... We
> were very weird by that point...
>
> Jeff...
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:19:16 -0800
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Vegan thru hike
> To: rrcohen1 at gmail.com, danielzellman at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <167a68b139db7ff941f2d6b64f5f7e59b1c0850b at webmail.gci.net>
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> I use? a lot of the recipes in this book: "Lipsmackin Vegetarian
> Backpackin" by Christine and Tim Connors. I dry marinated tofu to add
> to meals.
>
> I am not a vegan or vegetarian, but try to eat as little meat as I
> can. I do make my own beef jerky, but find I only need about 1 3/4 oz.
> per day to get my meat protein hit. The older I got and the more I
> backpacked the more I craved meat protein--it is the first thing i eat
> when I stop to camp. It is important to eat some kind of protein soon
> after? you stop exercising for the day for the health of your
> muscles.
>
> I have met a lot of vegans on the trail. Most have spent a lot of time
> preparing and drying their own food. And food choices in small towns
> are limited for zero day calorie replenishment.
>
> --Fireweed
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:26:27 -0800
> From: Ryan Hull <rynos1234 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
> To: Christopher Sussman <chris.sussman at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> When I attempted to thru in 2011, we had a group of 9 people from Kennedy
> Meadows to Independence. 5 of the 9 were vegetarian/vegan. As far as I
> know only two of the nine actually completed their thru, and they remained
> vegan from border to border.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Christopher Sussman <chris.sussman at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Becky,
>> While we can understand and partially agree with Yogi's assessment, we
>> thru hiked the PCT this year and were vegetarians the whole way. We
>> also knew another thru hiker who was vegan. Are we the minority? Quite
>> possibly. Is it unheard of? No. You can certainly hike the trail as a
>> vegetarian and though we cannot speak for the vegan side of things it
>> seems doable. Just enter with an open mind and know that change is
>> good. We just happened to find that our dietary preference was
>> something that did not change. We shipped ourselves food half the time
>> and bought along the trail for the remainder.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris & Sarah
>> (Shivers & BAM PCT 2012)
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:30:40 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Nefertiti, as much as I loved her, would have been food... We
>> were very weird by that point..
>
>
> I wonder what the Donner Party would have thought of that?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:03:27 -0800
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
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> I did the CT in August and early Sept in 2011 and did not see any
> porcinis. I don't know what kind of weather year that was for
> Colorado, if it was conducive for this species of mushroom or not.
> Also--the trail is high above the Pondrosa pine forest for most of
> it's length.
> --Fireweed
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:10:59 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ZPacks sleeping bags
> To: Kathy Walter <kathywalter at me.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I used the ZPacks 20 degree quilt/bag this year on the CDT. We were
> camping above 13,000 feet at times in the Weminuche Wilderness with lots of
> snow around and temps well below freezing and I loved it. At 1 lb it is as
> warm as the Western Mountaineering 20 degree bag I used on the PCT in 2010,
> but that bag weighed 2 lbs. With the 900 fill down and very fine dress
> zipper that runs underneath you and not along the side, you don't need the
> zipper baffle to insulate the zipper closure. I did not find the 900 fill
> to lose its loft over the summer as some folks have experienced with down
> that fine. I used it mostly as a quilt, but zipped it up at times. When I
> went into really cold areas, the High Sierra in the very cold spring of
> 2010 and the San Juans this year, I carried WM down pants as an adjunct to
> my pretty light clothing, and I slept with them as well, so factor that in
> to your calculations, but I was not cold with that combo. Not sure if I
> would have been without the down pants, but I like them and find the extra
> weight worth it. I shipped them home from Tahoe in the Sierra and from
> Breckenridge in the CO Rockies.
>
> Why Not used the ZPacks 20 degree bag on the CDT this year but had Joe add
> several extra oz of down to her bag because she tends to sleep cold, and
> loved it all hike. I believe this has become a 15 degree bag now. Joe's
> tents and bags were ubiquitous on the CDT this year. We had several camps
> where we had 5 or 6 of his tarp tents up in one site. They held up well in
> some terrific blows.
>
> One other great product ZPacks makes is their raincoat of breathable cuben
> fiber. I used it extensively this summer and found it to be a great and
> very light raincoat.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:15:24 -0600
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] All of which raises the question...
> To: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>, PCT-L
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I did oh wait I am a turtle not a dog never mnd
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have any vegan dogs successfully completed a thru-hike subsisting solely
>> on porcini mushrooms and Shroomer's Ziplock trail yogurt recipe...?
>>
>> --
>> -dz (mobile)
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:16:27 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I have to second what Yogi said. I've noticed for me there is a big
> change at about 1000 miles and
> another at about 1500 miles. At 1000 miles the hiker hunger really kicks
> in.
> At 1500 miles there is this craving for particular foods that just is
> unlike anything I've ever experienced. It doesn't go away until it is met.
> I distinctly remember having a steak on the AT and for days afterwards just
> reminiscing about how satisfying that meal was.
>
> I suspect if this craving is for something like a cheeseburger - it might
> just over come any great intentions.
>
>
> At the restaurant in Stehiken, when a Vegetarian in the group ordered the
> veggie burger, the waitress asked if she wanted that with bacon. The thru
> hiker said yes.
> We all thought it was kind of funny but the waitress said they started
> asking a while back as a jokebut were surprised how many took them up on
> the bacon.
>
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>
> Yogi Wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm a meat-eating thru-hiker, and while I have done 2600 miles at a
> time several times, 4000 miles one time, I've also done 500 miles on one
> occasion. I can tell you from experience that a 500-mile chunk is
> completely different from a 5-month, 2600 mile thru-hike. And a 2600-mile
> hike is completely different from a 4000-mile hike. One is not better than
> the other; they are simply different.
>
> 500 miles does not require as much physical endurance as 2600 miles does.
> You have not hiked 2600 miles, so do not assume that ANYTHING which worked
> for your 500 mile hikes would also work day after day after day for a 2600
> mile hike. This applies not only to food, but to gear, clothing, etc.
>
> Most hikers I've met who were vegetarians prior to a PCT, CDT, or AT thru
> hike ended up eating meat eventually. Whether they wanted to eat meat or
> not, I do not know. So Daniel: I did not assume they wanted to eat meat.
> All I know is what I've observed.
> .
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:28:36 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ZPacks sleeping bags
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <50EE5184.9070406 at olc.edu>
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>
> I've had a quilt now for 10 years and am sold. Shroomer - do you stuff
> your quilt? I put my quilt in its own garbage bag and have use a Golite
> Gust/Pinnacle and it's the last thing I put in. I've never "stuffed"
> it. What have you found- or better, how do you treat your quilt?
>
> Jeff...
>
> On 1/9/2013 10:10 PM, Scott Williams wrote:
>> I used the ZPacks 20 degree quilt/bag this year on the CDT. We were
>> camping above 13,000 feet at times in the Weminuche Wilderness with lots of
>> snow around and temps well below freezing and I loved it. At 1 lb it is as
>> warm as the Western Mountaineering 20 degree bag I used on the PCT in 2010,
>> but that bag weighed 2 lbs. With the 900 fill down and very fine dress
>> zipper that runs underneath you and not along the side, you don't need the
>> zipper baffle to insulate the zipper closure. I did not find the 900 fill
>> to lose its loft over the summer as some folks have experienced with down
>> that fine. I used it mostly as a quilt, but zipped it up at times. When I
>> went into really cold areas, the High Sierra in the very cold spring of
>> 2010 and the San Juans this year, I carried WM down pants as an adjunct to
>> my pretty light clothing, and I slept with them as well, so factor that in
>> to your calculations, but I was not cold with that combo. Not sure if I
>> would have been without the down pants, but I like them and find the extra
>> weight worth it. I shipped them home from Tahoe in the Sierra and from
>> Breckenridge in the CO Rockies.
>>
>> Why Not used the ZPacks 20 degree bag on the CDT this year but had Joe add
>> several extra oz of down to her bag because she tends to sleep cold, and
>> loved it all hike. I believe this has become a 15 degree bag now. Joe's
>> tents and bags were ubiquitous on the CDT this year. We had several camps
>> where we had 5 or 6 of his tarp tents up in one site. They held up well in
>> some terrific blows.
>>
>> One other great product ZPacks makes is their raincoat of breathable cuben
>> fiber. I used it extensively this summer and found it to be a great and
>> very light raincoat.
>>
>> Shroomer
>> _
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:37:42 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Sounds like a real mixed grill. Fillet of rattlesnake with sides of paw
> and finger. The Donner party would have loved it. All you need is a good
> BBQ sauce.
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Nefertiti, as much as I loved her, would have been food... We
>>> were very weird by that point..
>>
>>
>> I wonder what the Donner Party would have thought of that?
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:14:15 -0800
> From: "Geoff Mahoney" <gwmahoney at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Crampons or micro spikes
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Crampons or micro spikes this year? Comments please!
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:42:19 -0800
> From: Grady Clawson <gradydarling at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] printing Halfmile's maps
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Hi there! Anyone else in the Portland area interested in going in on a group-rate printing of Halfmile's maps this year?I've heard of people doing this and it seems like a good way to save money.
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:11:04 -0800
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crampons for trail runners
> To: "Matt Signore" <mpsignore at gmail.com>, "Sonya Dickinson"
> <sonya.dickinson at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>, belcherjd at juno.com
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> Excellent advice, Matt, regarding when to use front points on 12-point
> climbing crampons! That is exactly when you use them, but I don't think most
> snow-hiking PCT thru hikers will encounter such extremes of pitch and
> surface conditions.
>
> What we are concerned about is the 12-point wearing snow-hiker casually
> incising their opposite Achilles tendon or medial malleolus because they
> were not being careful with their foot swings and foot placements (like a
> certified guide or instructor would), instead being in a hurry to make miles
> and wanting just to walk fast over the snow.
>
> For those who are experienced and trained in the safe use of 12-point
> crampons, they are very careful about what they do, how they swing their
> feet, and aware at all times of where those points are going so they don't
> get hurt.
>
> 10-points are good for hikers.
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Signore
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:16 PM
> To: Sonya Dickinson
> Cc: pct-l ; belcherjd at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crampons for trail runners
>
> The lack of a front point on the Kahtoola product eliminates your ability
> to "front point" up or down steeper terrain. The safest way to go down
> steep snow that is too firm to plunge step in is to face in to the slope.
> I would recommend everyone that travels in the Sierra or glaciated peaks
> read a few books.
>
> *Freedom of the Hills *and *Alpine Climbing...Techniques to Take You Higher*
>
> Both are great reads for the novice trekker, and both are written by
> certified guides. You can listen to unaccredited people on the list, and
> put your life saving preparation in their hands. Or you can learn from
> AMGA and IFMGA certified guides.
>
> Live Long and Prosper
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:02:56 -0800
> From: Ben Newkirk <thruhikerstyle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice axes
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Differences between the two as I know them. BD Raven Ice Pro has an
> aluminum shaft and a steel head. The Camp Corsa is all aluminum. For
> your purpose the Camp, would probably be sufficient. I have owned a
> Raven ice pro and loved it( took it on the PCT 2008, not necessary
> that year) , it helped me arrest a 100 plus foot fall on Broken Top in
> the Three Sisters Wilderness, Oregon. I have held the Corsa before
> and did not like how it felt in my hand. Sounds weird but being
> comfortable with your ice axe and being able to just become one with
> it smoothly , when necessary, is worth more than 7 oz. If you plan on
> only having one ice axe and you plan on doing some Mountaineering as
> well, you will be better off with the Raven. Just my 2 cents.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:35 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>> Good evening, Cat,
>>
>> Yes and no. The Black Diamond Whippet mentioned here
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264671 is a combination tool
>> which used to be offered with a removable axe head, but most recently I
>> understand they made the head fixed. Some people like them. I wouldn?t
>> carry one unless the head could be removed.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there such a thing as an adjustable combo hiking stick/ice ax? Maybe
>>> removeable head?
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:50:17 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> In most areas, the porcini season is only a few weeks long, just when the
> fall weather is right. That's why porcini buttons, which are one of the
> finest mushrooms in the world, sell for $80 to $100 a lb. Trails above the
> tree line will have none at all. You've got to be in the drip line of the
> ponderosas to have any chance of finding them.
>
> Having so many of them on trail this year was a real treat. Raw they taste
> like a crispy mushroom infused with chestnut. Oh my heart! True risotto
> con porcini, made with porcini buttons and a lacing of dried porcini, is
> incredible. After sauteing the fresh buttons they freeze very well and
> keep their fresh flavor. Drying them is also easy, but they taste very
> different, wonderful, but not as subtle as fresh.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:08:04 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ZPacks sleeping bags
> To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I do stuff it, and as I'm a kayaker, I'm always paranoid of getting down
> wet, so it is the one thing I put in a Sea to Summit, Ultra Light, dry bag.
> I use a bigger bag than necessary and don't stuff it all that tight. All
> the rest of my gear is kept in separate, very light, smaller cuben fiber
> bags from ZPacks. They are not as watertight, and I use them primarily to
> organize my gear.
>
> I used a home sewn, Jardine quilt, from the early 1990s until recently,
> made from the simple patterns in his original PCT Handbook. I built it
> for kayak camping and backpacking on the Pacific Coast and it wasn't warm
> enough for either thru hike. Once I began sleeping with a quilt, I've
> hated sleeping all constricted in a mummy bag, though I did zip up the
> ZPack 20 when things got really cold and was glad to be able to zip it up.
> For the small weight of the long dress zipper, the warmth factor and not
> having to be concerned with just how I kept it tucked all around me, was
> worth it.
>
> Stuffed in a garbage bag is fine. If you can keep it dry and as loose as
> possible, it will do you well for many miles. I'd set out on another long
> hike with the one I used all summer as it's still in good shape.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:37:12 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Food cravings and just what you feel your body needs definitely changes
> over a long trail. Two very committed vegetarians I hiked several thousand
> miles with on the PCT, change their eating as they hiked on. One began to
> loose too much weight, and her first hamburger was ambrosia at that point.
> I am a meat eater but have been vegetarian for long periods and respect
> the diet, but the further I hike, the more important the quality protein
> becomes for me. I never noticed this on hikes of several hundred miles,
> but after a thousand and two, it became profound.
>
> Now, that being said, I also hiked with Smiles, a Swiss mountaineer who
> remained vegetarian on the entire PCT and was the only person I know of to
> finish without loosing any weight. She was as strong as an ox and just as
> strong when she finished the trail. She relied heavily on nuts and cheese
> for protein.
>
> I began the CDT this year with Elinor, a PCT and AT veteran, and a vegan
> who hiked much of the CDT, but ended up walking many road miles in order to
> make it to her grad school by early August. She made it to Canada hiking
> something over 2,000 miles and never compromised her vegan diet. She
> stayed with us over the holidays and told me she finished the trail in very
> good physical shape. She looked great at Christmas. So it can be done,
> and has been by some really fine hikers, but being aware of your own body
> and its needs is paramount. If you start to really feel like you eating a
> hamburger, go for it, because you may actually need it.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:38:27 -0600
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>, Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The white truffles. In Washington. Were awesome. This fall. Thanks. Burrowing. Mammal's den kicking out the first few and fingers raking. A back pocket. Full not mention. Cabin porch. Providing. Shelter out of the rain. To cook them and mule Skinner's. There providing. Olive oil and salt. To make. A meal of kings
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In most areas, the porcini season is only a few weeks long, just when the
>> fall weather is right. That's why porcini buttons, which are one of the
>> finest mushrooms in the world, sell for $80 to $100 a lb. Trails above the
>> tree line will have none at all. You've got to be in the drip line of the
>> ponderosas to have any chance of finding them.
>>
>> Having so many of them on trail this year was a real treat. Raw they taste
>> like a crispy mushroom infused with chestnut. Oh my heart! True risotto
>> con porcini, made with porcini buttons and a lacing of dried porcini, is
>> incredible. After sauteing the fresh buttons they freeze very well and
>> keep their fresh flavor. Drying them is also easy, but they taste very
>> different, wonderful, but not as subtle as fresh.
>>
>> Shroomer
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:54:37 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Isn't this poetry???
>
> On 1/9/2013 11:38 PM, A.C. Scott wrote:
>
> The white truffles.
> In Washington.
> Were awesome.
> This fall.
> Thanks.
> Burrowing.
> Mammal's den kicking out the first few and fingers raking.
> A back pocket.
> Full not mention.
> Cabin porch.
> Providing.
> Shelter out of the rain.
> To cook them and mule Skinner's.
> There providing.
> Olive oil and salt.
> To make.
> A meal of kings
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:08:43 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Truly a "meal of kings," and fit for trail trash of the highest order.
>
> Shroomer
> On Jan 9, 2013 10:54 PM, "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Isn't this poetry???
>>
>> On 1/9/2013 11:38 PM, A.C. Scott wrote:
>>
>> The white truffles.
>> In Washington.
>> Were awesome.
>> This fall.
>> Thanks.
>> Burrowing.
>> Mammal's den kicking out the first few and fingers raking.
>> A back pocket.
>> Full not mention.
>> Cabin porch.
>> Providing.
>> Shelter out of the rain.
>> To cook them and mule Skinner's.
>> There providing.
>> Olive oil and salt.
>> To make.
>> A meal of kings
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:39:53 -0600
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Porcini on the CT
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>, Jeffrey Olson
> <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> And it tasted like poetry
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Truly a "meal of kings," and fit for trail trash of the highest order.
>>
>> Shroomer
>> On Jan 9, 2013 10:54 PM, "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't this poetry???
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2013 11:38 PM, A.C. Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> The white truffles.
>>> In Washington.
>>> Were awesome.
>>> This fall.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Burrowing.
>>> Mammal's den kicking out the first few and fingers raking.
>>> A back pocket.
>>> Full not mention.
>>> Cabin porch.
>>> Providing.
>>> Shelter out of the rain.
>>> To cook them and mule Skinner's.
>>> There providing.
>>> Olive oil and salt.
>>> To make.
>>> A meal of kings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:52:10 -0600
> From: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru Hiker Resupply Locations
> To: Wojciech Plata <wojciechplata at aol.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good stuff! Thanks!
>
> -dz
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Wojciech Plata <wojciechplata at aol.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey guys! Just wanted to thank everyone for sharing all the great info on
>> here!
>>
>> I'll be hiking the pct this year (early March start) and hope to see many
>> of you out there!
>>
>> I just finished a simple, detailed resupply spreadsheet that I'm going to
>> use to determine where to send maildrops to, hopefully it can help some of
>> you with the planning as well.
>>
>> Thanks, Enjoy
>> -BrokenToe
>>
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgVYgVovsoAVdFJMX05weWU5NUtCOXQwWW9kOFc1aXc
>>
>>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:34 -0800
> From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pemmican
> To: PCT-list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Sometimes I just used commercially made jerky. I finished drying it at home and it keeps well at least for couple of weeks.
>
> Tortoise
>
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> Dictated / Typoed on my iPad.
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 18:38, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To shift to beef jerky for a moment, most of what you buy is very moist,
>> therefore heavier and not as stable once the package is opened. The stuff
>> I make myself starts as very thinly sliced cheap beef roast that is then
>> salted and spiced and dehydrated so dry that it is almost like beef corn
>> chips. It is so dry that what I made 14 months ago is still delicious just
>> kept in a zip lock. I used it out of hand on trail because it was really
>> tasty and then broke it up to rehydrate it with different meals. It seems
>> the commercial jerky is attempting to be tender and moist, but I love it
>> really dry and crunchy.
>>
>> Shroomer
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:54:06 -0500
> From: Becky Cohen <rrcohen1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks everyone for all of the input. Mainly (as I wrote in my initial
> post) I'm interested in finding out about any towns/resupply points that
> were vegan friendly or hearing from folks who attempted a vegan/veggie thru
> hike and have tips to share. I'm vegan because my body doesn't process
> dairy well and I don't need animal protein in my daily life (it's pretty
> intense on the environment and isn't something I need to be healthy). I am
> hoping to maintain being a vegan during the hike, but if the choices are
> cheeseburgers or be hungry then I'm sure Yogi is right and I'll opt for the
> cheeseburger :)
>
> I would welcome emails from anyone with resources, trail towns not to miss
> because they have vegan ice cream, tips on how they stayed vegan or
> challenges they had with it. I'm not really interested in debating the
> morals of being vegan, etc etc etc.
>
> Thanks everyone!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:58:30 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Successful Thruhike with Dog
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>>> Nefertiti, as much as I loved her, would have been food...
>
>> I wonder what the Donner Party would have thought of that?
>
> The Donner Party's primary mode of transportation hauling their belongings found out fairly fast -
> the oxen were the first to 'go'! Unfortunately, they exhausted their oxen 'supply'..........
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:04:40 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crampons for trail runners
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> I solved the whole microspikes rubber twisting thing by simply
> threading bootlaces through the rubber and tying them securely.
>
> The Kathoola KTS do look a lot more sturdy than microspikes and it
> looks like they now make a steel version that is cheaper and quicker
> to attach although a couple ounces heavier.
>
> Most of the time you're not doing any serious mountaineering. Just
> because Mather Pass might be really scary steep doesn't mean you need
> mountaineering gear. Mather Pass is the only place I wore my instep
> crampons and I think now that I could have done the front steep side
> without them. (I hiked in 2008, a regular snow year.)
>
> The worst thing about some types of crampons (like my instep
> crampons, don't know the brand) is that they may be too difficult to
> put on and take off. If the snow is sporadic, you'll soon realize you
> can't walk over rocks with them on. Then you'll be faced with the
> unappealing thought of taking them off, putting them on, taking them
> off over and over, which of course you won't do.
>
> You can walk on rock and trail in microspikes. If I had had
> microspikes for Mather Pass I wouldn't have slipped and fallen on the
> icy back side. But because I had instep crampons that were difficult
> to put on and hard to wear on rock, I had taken them off at the top
> and really didn't want to put them on again. At least my pants didn't
> shred on the long, exciting ride down.
>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:18:52 -0600
> From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crampons for trail runners
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> It seems that people feel the trail isn't that steep until they get off
> trail. Then they realize how steep the terrain is, and now they brought
> the proverbial knife to a gun fight. There have been more than a few times
> where people get off trail. There it can get real steep, and a microspike
> is close to useless on steep terrain. It might be worth taking the extra
> few ounces and carry a walking crampon.
>
> Also if one were to take a course on how to self arrest they, AMGA or IFMGA
> certified guides, will teach you to kick the front points of your crampons
> into the snow as part of the self arrest procedure. So, if you fail to
> have front points and are on firm snow it is all up to your ice axe. In
> short if you don't have front points and are on firm snow you better be
> able to hold onto your axe. If you don't have a leash on your ice axe, and
> it skitters away now you are relying on a microspike product more
> applicable to shoveling the driveway versus saving you life.
>
> Live Long and Prosper
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>> I solved the whole microspikes rubber twisting thing by simply
>> threading bootlaces through the rubber and tying them securely.
>>
>> The Kathoola KTS do look a lot more sturdy than microspikes and it
>> looks like they now make a steel version that is cheaper and quicker
>> to attach although a couple ounces heavier.
>>
>> Most of the time you're not doing any serious mountaineering. Just
>> because Mather Pass might be really scary steep doesn't mean you need
>> mountaineering gear. Mather Pass is the only place I wore my instep
>> crampons and I think now that I could have done the front steep side
>> without them. (I hiked in 2008, a regular snow year.)
>>
>> The worst thing about some types of crampons (like my instep
>> crampons, don't know the brand) is that they may be too difficult to
>> put on and take off. If the snow is sporadic, you'll soon realize you
>> can't walk over rocks with them on. Then you'll be faced with the
>> unappealing thought of taking them off, putting them on, taking them
>> off over and over, which of course you won't do.
>>
>> You can walk on rock and trail in microspikes. If I had had
>> microspikes for Mather Pass I wouldn't have slipped and fallen on the
>> icy back side. But because I had instep crampons that were difficult
>> to put on and hard to wear on rock, I had taken them off at the top
>> and really didn't want to put them on again. At least my pants didn't
>> shred on the long, exciting ride down.
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> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
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> I think the hardest part of being a vegetarian thru-hiker would have
> to be the food fantasies you'll have about town food. If your food
> fantasies are all about pancake sandwiches, ice cream, pizza and
> cheeseburgers, you'll be tormenting yourself on the trail, slapping
> yourself silly to stop such heathen fantasies. If your fantasies are
> all about avocados and soy or hemp cheese, you're still going to have
> to slap yourself to stop thinking about such delicacies. You'll come
> into town starving and there won't be much to eat for you.
>
> I did meet a vegetarian hiker at Drakesbad. Her food looked really
> good. She dehydrated all her own food. Lentils and rice and Indian-
> themed stuff like that. She probably slathered things in olive oil, I
> didn't get a look at everything she ate.
>
> A really interesting book I recommend is The Vegetarian Myth by
> Lierre Keith. I do not support monocrops like corn, soy and wheat and
> I choose to eat animals who don't eat those things, either.
>
>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:12:40 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vegan Thru Hike?
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> I guess what I would do if I was trying to hike Vegan is to make sure
> I send myself some binge food for town. You could probably eat a
> whole jar of Coconut Manna and a whole jar of Almond butter in one
> town visit. Perhaps in a single day.
>
> By the way, I've brought Coconut Manna on backpack trips. I put it in
> a plastic container that originally held coconut oil, thinking that
> it must be resistant to leakage if it originally held oil. Well, it
> wasn't resistant to leakage so the jar had to be kept in a plastic
> bag. Coconut Manna gets really hard when it's cold. It is worth it
> though because it's really super tasty melted into dinner and of
> course it's like crack eaten by itself.
>
>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:15:58 -0800
> From: Logan Siler <logandavidsiler1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] For sale: Jardine Tarp and Bug net
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> Hey all,
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> Anyone interested in buying a Jardine tarp and bug net? Both are unused,
> and unassembled. They for a single person, include directions, and some
> heavy duty thread also bought from the Jardine website. It's all yours for
> one low price of 80 dollars. Shoot me an email if you're interested!
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> Logan
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> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:34:40 -0800
> From: <lorna at ptera.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Vegan Thru-Hike
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> I hiked the Colorado Trail last summer. I?m pretty much vegan. The only reason I reverted back to simple vegetarianism is because of what Brick said about the availability of vegan foods in towns. Maybe ten years down the line?? I truly believe it would be EASY to remain vegetarian, though, despite what he says about long-distance hiking, if meat truly grosses you out. I mean, would you eat worms just because you were extremely hungry when lentil curry was available?? (I?ve been vegetarian for 42 years and vegan for 2, after reading the China Study.)
>
> About dogs?last year a young man had a fairly young dog with him on the CT. He had to keep it tied to a tree, and it was shaking much of the time. (The next morning this man saw a bear near camp.) What I thought was so strange was that after about 100 miles, the dog sat down on the trail and refused to budge. The guy had to take the dog home!
>
>
> You have not hiked 2600 miles, so do not assume that ANYTHING which worked
>> for your 500 mile hikes would also work day after day after day for a 2600
>> mile hike. This applies not only to food, but to gear, clothing, etc.
>>
>
> For me, things start changing physically around the 700-1000 mile point
> where the "Hiker Hunger" sets in. Food becomes one of the most important
> things to my whole being and happiness.
>
> The simple truth is that the easily available high caloric density foods
> available in trail towns are mostly animal based. You wander into a small
> logging town and the local cafe serves
> burgers/pizza/steaks/eggs/milkshakes/icecream and the only vegan
> alternative might be french fries or salad. The same for buying food in the
> small stores. Cheese, Salami, Jerky are all high caloric density and easily
> available.
>
> I'm sure that it is possible to be vegan on the trail, but is would be very
> difficult.
>
>
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