[pct-l] Meadow Ed. Vol 67, Issue 9
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Thu Jul 25 15:42:14 CDT 2013
John, I tried to reach Ed, but the e-mail didn't go through.
Can you forward this to him.
Just got back home from a walk on the PCT, providing support for my son,
Jon, now going through the Trinity Alps towards Seiad Valley. Very warm,
hot, even at altitude.
While walking SOBO north of Castle Crags, ran into Beaker, who finished in
1997. He sends his regards.
I noticed on pctL that John Patterson indicated someone is playing your
role in an upcoming movie. I don't know if he was serious, or just kidding.
I've written a screenplay taking place on the PCT. A popular trekker is
accused of being the perpetrator causing a head wound to a fellow
hiker...and also suspected of being connected to a death of an illegal immigrant, the
body found south of Mount Laguna. Rumors travel up and down the PCT.
Rangers get word. He is monitored by rangers of various jurisdictions. He is
arrested. In jail. This really happened in 2000. A fellow hiker a
social psychologist studies the rumors. He tells the investigators that more
likely the injury was caused by a curious mis-stepping big horn sheep.
Anyway, I'd like to bump into Jon in Oregon. Do you want to do some
walking again this year in Oregon?
Hal
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Mountain Fire Update (Stephen Clark)
2. Re: Mountain Fire Update (Diane Soini)
3. Olallie Lake Resort Re-supply question (Mary Kwart)
4. Mountain Lion Encounter (Meridith Rosendahl)
5. Subject: Idyllwild access (Michelle Markel)
6. Trailtown Cougars (hiker97 at aol.com)
7. Re: Mountain Lion Encounter (Ben G)
8. Re: Mountain Lion Encounter (Brick Robbins)
9. Re: Mountain Lion Encounter (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
10. Harmonica found -- Section Q (Susan Virnig)
11. section Q water update (Susan Virnig)
12. Re: Shell fabric (linsey)
13. Brad Pitt to play Meadow Ed . . . (JOHN F PATTERSON)
14. Border to I-15 Segment (phil.bunch)
15. 30 milish loop (Kim Ludeman)
16. Border to I-15 Segment (Frank Dumville)
17. Re: 30 milish loop (Peter Necarsulmer)
18. Re: 30 milish loop (acscottthefirst at yahoo.com)
19. Mountain Fire Update (Stephen Clark)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:06:46 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Fire Update
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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It appears, from the burn map, that it started west of Hwy 243 and a little
north of the Hwy 243 / Hwy 74 junction which is several miles from the PCT.
Early reports had also indicated that this area was the point of
origination. News reports late yesterday said it was human started but
didn't elaborate.
Quackers
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brick Robbins
<brick at brickrobbins.com>wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I think one of the earlier posts stated that it was started by a human,
> but
> > it didn't state if it was a PCT-er.
>
> The fire started several miles from the PCT near the town of Mountain
> Center
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:10:40 -0700
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Fire Update
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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This fire is so sad. Yesterday we woke up to a red sun and
Trailhacker took a picture and titled it "I can see the PCT from my
house" meaning that the PCT is in the smoke in the air.
It seems like since I hiked the So Cal section in 2008, everything
that wasn't burned already in 2008 has since burned. I bet you can't
go a full day hiking now without walking through a recent burn.
On Jul 20, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mountain Fire Update
>
> Hwy 74 is open from the south up to Hwy 243. It may also be open
> from the
> northwest to Hwy 243. Hwy 243 is open from Banning to the Pine
> Cove and
> the Nature Center.
>
> If you zoom in on the incident map in the burn area:
> http://inciweb.org/incident/3516/ You will see that the fire has
> completely burned over the PCT from just south of Palm View Peak to
> withing
> about a half mile of Little Tahquitz Valley... roughly 11 miles of
> trail.
>
> The fire video on the AM news today brought tears...
>
> I have been up to San Gorgonio Wilderness and back already today
> and the
> smoke this afternoon didn't look as bad as it did this morning.
> Hopefully
> the humid weather that's moving in has helped firefighters get a
> little
> better handle on the burn.
>
> Quackers
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:31:23 -0700
From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Olallie Lake Resort Re-supply question
To: kntemplar6 at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi, Joe:
I am doing the PCT in Oregon starting July 27. We will carry enough
dinners and breakfasts to get from Sisters to Timberline Lodge and are
saving food pack weight by buying the rest of the stuff at the store
at Olallie Lake. Their website indicates that the store has at least
enough stuff to get by. Hopefully it will not be wiped out by hikers
passing through, although I think the owners know about the herd and
will stock accordingly. There is also breakfast available at the camp
at Big Lake which is only 12 miles north of Sisters.
--Fireweed
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:43:54 -0700
From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mountain Lion Encounter
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Muk Muk had a pretty terrifying experience with at least one, maybe two
mountain lions:
http://mexicotocanada2013.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/my-harrowing-n
ight-with-a-mountain-lion/
Piper's Mom
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:56:28 -0700
From: Michelle Markel <rayvenwahine at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Idyllwild access
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Per InciWeb this morning, PCT is closed from mile 152-183.
Idyllwild remains under evacuation, and Pine Cove has been added.
The fire has only been 25% contained at this time. It is unlikely the
Idyllwild P.O. will be open anytime soon.
Subject: [pct-l] Idyllwild access
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I'm now in Palm Desert, near the beginning of Hwy 74, awaiting word on
when access to I dyllwild might be restored.? I've given up on the
Black-Mt-Rd- to- Apache-P eak-to Spitler- Peak hike, but I need my 3 gear and resupply
boxes at the Idyllwild PO.? Updates will be posted as I can learn of them.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:49:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Trailtown Cougars
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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One night our PCT hero, Grizzly, was down at the saloon withhis trail
bros. The conversation came upabout older women and cougar women lurking for
younger men out on the trail andin trailtowns. Grizzly?s pal,
ClaimJumper,commented.
Well, this can be dangerous. One evening I was in off the trail for
resupply at Ashland, OR. After washing my clothes and getting my grubstake
refilled, I headed over to the saloon-pizza parlor near my motel.
I was standing at the bar slowly finishing a cold brew when avery
attractive older woman came up beside me and asked if I could use anotherdrink.
Not wanting to be impolite I saidyes and we headed for a table to sit down.
After ordering some hot pizza and more drinks we had a greattime. She was
pretty, fit, andintelligent and even mentioned that she was 60 years old.
It was pleasant to be with her and she paidfor everything. She knew about
the trailand liked to do day-hikes. I complimentedher on her looks. She
said she did notwant to sound vain, but all the family females were very
attractive.
Eventually, it was getting late. Then she mentioned that may be I would
liketo come back home with her for some mother-daughter "socializing." I
thought how could I be this lucky. I must be dreaming, but it was very real.
I could hardly stand the anticipation thinkingabout her daughter and what
she must be like.
When we arrived home, we walked in and she turned on the lightand yelled
upstairs, "Mother are you still awake?"
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Your obedient servant and trail knave,
Switchback the Trail Pirate
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:07:48 -0700
From: Ben G <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Lion Encounter
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Maybe those spot devices are not such a good idea. I can imagine how much
money and gas was wasted on that call. People are becoming too dependent
on them and are pressing the help button when they most certainly should
not have done so. There is plenty of information out there about how to
respond in situations such as this. GPS and Spot units seem to provide a
false sense of security. The girl in the video seemed incredulous that it
took seven hours to get to her. What did she expect? I am afraid people
are becoming too dependent on phones, GPS and spot units.
Encountering a mountain lion is one of the many privileges and/ or
terrifying experiences we may experience on the trail. If you ever plan to
travel alone you should be prepared to deal with the many challenges
(mental and physical) you may experience. And you should be prepared to
deal with those challenges by yourself. I have found the best way to do
that is to read about how to respond to the different situations, injuries
or equipment failures you may be presented with, over and over. You will
be amazed at how much you have absorbed and can recall in times of need,
when you assume that you are not prepared to deal with every situation you
may encounter. One of the best resources, IMHO, is to sign up on
Backpacker Magazine's email list. Much of the information, in the magazine
and email list, is stuff I think I remember but I read it anyway. All the
other information about repairing gear or survival techniques only prepares
me more.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Meridith Rosendahl <
meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Muk Muk had a pretty terrifying experience with at least one, maybe two
> mountain lions:
>
>
>
http://mexicotocanada2013.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/my-harrowing-night-with-a-mountain-lion/
>
> Piper's Mom
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:35:51 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Lion Encounter
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Ben G <bengrunbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe those spot devices are not such a good idea.
Tough call on this one.
If the rescuers had arrived to find her half eaten body, or to find
her gravely injured from an attack, then the spot call would have
turned out to be a good idea. Since the cats lot interest, and went
away, it turned out to look a little foolish, but I'm not going to
Monday morning quarterback her decision
If I had had a spot to activate every time I was sure I was going to
die, all the paint would be worn off the button by now.
HYOH
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:00:51 +0000
From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Lion Encounter
To: "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com>, "Pacific crest trail PCT
Listserve" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I'm having some issues with my phones internet so I can't see it.
BUT don't mountain lions typically NOT hunt people, and travel alone?
I find myself always being the person who thinks about safety (actually
people were making fun of me for being the only person who knew where life
saving equipment was on a speed boat during 4th July, when people were drunk
on lake)
Good idea to know basic first aid, and what to do in situations in the
environment you are in.
Can't put your own life in someone elses hands or expect them to know.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountain Lion Encounter
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Ben G <bengrunbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe those spot devices are not such a good idea.
Tough call on this one.
If the rescuers had arrived to find her half eaten body, or to find
her gravely injured from an attack, then the spot call would have
turned out to be a good idea. Since the cats lot interest, and went
away, it turned out to look a little foolish, but I'm not going to
Monday morning quarterback her decision
If I had had a spot to activate every time I was sure I was going to
die, all the paint would be worn off the button by now.
HYOH
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:19:12 -0700
From: Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org>
Subject: [pct-l] Harmonica found -- Section Q
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I section hiked Q and on Thurs. 7/18 plopped down in the first available
shade about 1/4 mile south of Buckhorn Spring right on the trail. After
snacking, cooling down, talking with the second Lorax and Julian from
Switzerland, I stood up to pick up my pack and noticed a harmonica 5 feet above the
exact spot where I had been sitting. Needless to say I grabbed it and
will be happy to mail it to its owner. Please spread the word!
--Susan from Spokane
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 16:43:24 -0700
From: Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org>
Subject: [pct-l] section Q water update
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hiked section Q and came out on July 19. Here are a few water tips.
1. No on-trail water from Etna Summit until Shelly Lake outlet creek at
10.7 miles.
2. Water at creeklet .4 mile before Fisher Lake at base of switchbacks
going down the hill.
3. Half a dozen trail-side water sources from that creeklet up to
Paradise Lake, including well-flowing creeklet just before Marble Valley Guard
station.
4. Outlet creek from Paradise Lake flowing well.
5. No water between Paradise Lake and a well-flowing "early summer
creeklet" 1/2 mile before very well-flowing Cold Spring creek, except for rather
gunky water off-trail at Buckhorn Spring.
6. Lots of water from Cold Spring creek down to Seiad Valley.
--Susan from Spokane
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 03:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shell fabric
To: Heather <mom_and_alex at yahoo.com>, pct list serve
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi Heather, Please excuse my delayed reply, your email got buried in my
inbox. ?
My clothing tactics are different than alot of distance hikers, but more
in line with Ray Jardine, who in his second book "Beyond Backpacking" gave
fairly detailed info on sewing your own gear. ?If you haven't read this or
his newest incarnation "Trail Life...", let me strongly recommend these as
mandatory reading for thru hiker hopefuls. ?Beyond Backpacking is out of
print, but I've gotten these books at the library. ?His first book, the
probably out -of-print ?"PCT Hikers Handbook" is also wonderful and, while dated,
is still awesome. ?All share core information but "Trail Life" is the
recently revised ultimate distance hiking manifesto with over 300 color photos.
What works best for me for clothing are windproof/bugproof shell garments
made of 1 ounce or lighter uncoated nylon ripstop--this is super light and
not very durable so it's helpful to make spares. ?Hardshell ripstop
clothing is not very popular but it works great and dries super fast--'ve used
this fabric for bug mits, hiking pants, hiking skirts, plus sleeping quilts,
bomber hats, and stowbags. ? ?It is a bit hot for hot weather but?when it's
hot,? I find I'm more comfortable due to unhampered evaporative cooling
when wearing next to nothing and using a silver umbrella for portable shade
rather than bundled up in long sleeves and a hat. ?My windshirt and jacket
are both (older) Montbell--sometimes it pays to just buy things that are more
complicated to make like coats, plus I got great deals on both.?
My pack is an ancient and highly modified Six Moon Designs Comet and it is
also made mostly of fairly light Silnylon--it gets structure from a
contractor bag inside and a rolled up Evazote torso pad. ?It weighs less than a
pound and dries super fast. ?It is unstructured enough that I think nothing
of throwing it in the washing machine with my dirty gear (I take the
hipbelt buckle off...). ?I made easily removable hipbelt pouches--mind you I
don't tighten my hipbelt and it is only there to support the hipbelt pouches.
?I firmly ?believe in letting the 'three way swivel action' of my hips move
unhampered by tight hipbelts that strap my hips to my spine--read Ray
Jardine for more on this but I would rather my shoulders take all the weight
then try and transfer it to my hips at the expense of inhibiting my hips
movement. ?Mind you I've tried it both ways and Rays way is better.?
To hold the gooseneck twist in my contactor bag, I use rubberbands that I
make by cutting cross sections of old mountain bike tire tubes--these work
way better than regular rubberbands although they do still wear out. ?
One thing I do completely different than nearly everyone is carry a huge
capacity (albeit light) backpack. ?My rational is it is way easier to pack
and my down bag (or synthetic quilt) has tons of room to loft. ?Never am I
tempted to carry a bunch of extraneous junk because of my packs large size
but I find it is MUCH easier to pack with plenty of room. ?If I ever do need
to carry tons of food, my pack is palatial. ??
For shell mitts, I've just used silicon impregnated nylon/silnilon (about
1.3 oz per yard). ?They are not waterproof and I don't treat the seams, but
I find they cut the wind and work great just being water resistant. ?In
general, I don't consider silnylon to be waterproof no matter what the claim,
but mitts don't need to be waterproof to be effective. ?You could also use
two ply gore-tex ?but you would have to tape the seams. ?Z-Packs nylon
laminated Cuben Fiber could make nice shell mitts and it looks really cool.
?They use it in hipbelt pouches but also sell it as yard goods. ?
?I've shopped at Seattle Fabrics for nylon and silnylon but prefer the
fabric I got when I bought extra yardage from Ray and Jenny Jardine (who have
an internet store with lots of cool make-your-own gear KITS such as tarps,
tents, backpacks, synthetic sleeping quilts (I've made three) ?and the ALL
IMPORTANT bomber hat (a kit for a one ounce synthetic wonder hat, great for
sleeping or anytime it gets epic). ?Ray-way also has great thread,mini
cordlocks and nice cord. ?The sleeping bag fabric works great for shell
clothing, but lighter colors are quite transparent. ?My shirt is black and my
pants grey, and I often wear the shirt over the pants. ??
A couple ?places that I haven't tried are: ?ThruHiker.com (kits, fabrics,
lighter ?nylons such as .7 ounce) and Z Packs (super light mosquito
netting, cuben fiber in many incarnations including laminated to nylon for
durability and ease of sewing (plain cuben isn't sewn). ? Super light mosquito
netting is not only lighter, but more sheer and easier to wear as it doesn't
hamper the vision as much. ?
A great fabric for tarps is Spinnaker/silicon impregnated polyester. ?It
doesn't stretch while wet like silnylon and generally pitches pretty taught.
?This stuff is expensive and when I was pricing it to make a tarp, a
Gossamer Gear Spinntwinn (made of Spinnaker) came up in the used market for $20
more than just the fabric would have cost me--clearly a deal but the
commercially made one is a touch short--if I ever do make one, I will make it
longer. ?
To test for windproofness, blow into the fabric. ?If you can blow thru it,
it is not windproof. ?Also, don't overlook the thrift store for nylon
track pants. ?Remove any mesh liner and you could have some dirt cheap and easy
hiking pants.
Sewing gear takes time, but I have always found it meaningful and using
gear I made makes me proud plus it also demystifies the repair process. ?In
many cases, I just want stuff that I can't find commercially and I've always
preferred custom tailored clothes. ?As a kid growing up, my indulgent
mother custom made me clothes often of my own design. ?Subsequently, ?I just
don't like wearing things off the rack. ?In general, I want my gear fragile
and somewhat short lived because bombproof gear is too heavy. ?With careful
use, and considerate mending, I've gotten tons of life out of silly light
gear.
Sincerely, Linsey
PS ?Some clothing I'm happy to just buy as it's impossible to make such as
merino wool base layers, marsupial down sleeping socks (for sleeping
only), mens nylon dress socks (best for hiking, they keep the feet cool), and my
beloved orange silk scarf that is bigger and WAY better than a cotton
bandanna. ?
To: "mowoggirl at yahoo.com" <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: Shell fabric
Hey, Lindsey (hope I spelled that right?!)where did you get the fabric for
your shell garments? Or better yet? could you tell me what fabric? I need
to replace my mitts, and my jacket and pants are also getting very old!
Thanks for any help you can offer!
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOHN F PATTERSON <yuppatt at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Brad Pitt to play Meadow Ed . . .
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hmm. Not sure, Ed. I was thinking, more, Lionel Barrymore.
?
No?
?
Meadow Ed's recent inquiry?@ PCT Backcountry.net:
"Say what you want too, but the movie is coming, my ? is
who's going to play me in the movie????
All alone this long trip I keep hoping for Brad Pitt, remember
he just turned 50 and in the book I too had just turned 50....
?
Ed"
You the best, however (and f u n n y)... however?it is resolved and I send
greetings!!
?
If all she says in that book is the truth ... she quite a gal!
But, as E. Dickinson reports elsewhere in another context- "Ourself cannot
decide..."
?
Rafter Jack
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:36:36 -0700
From: "phil.bunch" <phil.bunch at zoho.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Border to I-15 Segment
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I am thinking about doing the Border to I-15 segment starting around the
middle of September. Any warnings or suggestions. I understand there is one
long reach with no water. I am a little concerned with weather at the
higher elevations in October.
Phil Bunch
?The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility,? and ?the fact
that it is comprehensible is a miracle.? Einstein
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:01:36 -0700
From: Kim Ludeman <trainerkim12 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] 30 milish loop
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Hey Hiker Friends!! Need some advice! Want to do a 30ish mile loop in the
Timothy Lake/Olallie Lake (mt. Jefferson) area over 3.5 day (friday evening
through Monday afternoon). We don't have a shuttle and not interested in an
out and back as much as a loop. Any ideas???
Kim
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:59:03 -0700
From: "Frank Dumville" <fdumville at earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Border to I-15 Segment
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September is one of the hottest months of the year in SoCal. It usually
doesn't start to cool down until the end of October.The winter storms
typically don't start until very late October or November so you are more
likely to encounter hot and dry than cold and wet.
This was a very dry year. You are going to have a lot more than one long
stretch without water.
With the bad fire season this year there will probably be a complete fire
ban so plan a no cook menu. You may even find the forests closed
completely.
Snap
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:14:52 +0400
From: Peter Necarsulmer <necarsulmer at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 30 milish loop
To: Kim Ludeman <trainerkim12 at gmail.com>
Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Hi. You can find exactly what you are looking for by doing a Google on
Backpacking Mt. Jefferson Wilderness. Here is one longer loop:
Mount Jefferson Wilderness Traverse (Backpacking) is a 44 mile
point-to-point trail located near Sisters, Oregon and is rated as moderate.
There are tons of trails and many shorter loop options.
Have fun.
Peter Necarsulmer
On Jul 21, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Kim Ludeman <trainerkim12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Hiker Friends!! Need some advice! Want to do a 30ish mile loop in the
> Timothy Lake/Olallie Lake (mt. Jefferson) area over 3.5 day (friday
evening
> through Monday afternoon). We don't have a shuttle and not interested in
an
> out and back as much as a loop. Any ideas???
> Kim
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:24:24 -0700
From: acscottthefirst at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 30 milish loop
To: Kim Ludeman <trainerkim12 at gmail.com>, Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Look up ultra marathons in that area.there is a fifty miler they one as a
loop every year around ollalie and Timothy might give you some. Ideas
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Kim Ludeman <trainerkim12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hey Hiker Friends!! Need some advice! Want to do a 30ish mile loop in the
>Timothy Lake/Olallie Lake (mt. Jefferson) area over 3.5 day (friday
evening
>through Monday afternoon). We don't have a shuttle and not interested in
an
>out and back as much as a loop. Any ideas???
>Kim
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:10:24 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mountain Fire Update
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Mountain Fire Update #9 July 21, 2013 6:00 AM
*Incident:* Mountain Wildfire
*Released:* 32 min. ago
*FIRE UPDATE #9July 21, 2013 6:00 A.M.*
*Current Situation: * The anticipated rain and thunderstorms materialized
early morning, bringing 1.5 inches of rain as measured at the Palm Springs
Aerial Tramway. With diminished fire activity, firefighters made great
progress with line construction particularly along the East side towards
Palm Springs. Although conditions were hazardous and some crews were taken
off the line due to the severe weather, firefighters continue to fight the
fire aggressively where possible. Today?s priority for fire operations is
focused at the northernmost part of the fire with crews at the Palm Springs
Aerial Tramway constructing direct hand line at the fire?s edge to reduce
the threat to Idyllwild and surrounding communities.
*Changing Weather*: Rain is forecast to continue throughout the day with
rain increasing and thunderstorms possibly developing in the afternoon.
Thunderstorms could bring strong downdraft winds and lightning. A flash
flood watch is in place and firefighters remain alert to the changing
weather conditions.
*Evacuations: *Evacuations were lifted yesterday for the communities of
Trails End and Camp Joe Scherman. Apple Canyon, Bonita Vista, Fobes Canyon,
and Pine Springs Ranch areas are also open to residents. The Evacuation
Warning issued for Pine Cove is still in place. All other Evacuation
Orders, including Idyllwild and Fern Valley, are still in place.
*Evacuation Centers: *Evacuation centers established by the Red Cross
(1-888-831-0031) are located at Hemet High School and Hamilton High School.
The Beaumont High School evacuation center will be closing at noon today.
*Road Closures: * Fobes Ranch Road is now open to traffic. State Highway
74
remains open. State Highway 243 is closed from the intersection of State
Highway 74 to the Nature Center, south of Pine Cove.
*Fire Facts:*
27,245 acres at 49% containment
2,678 personnel including 68 crews, 89 engines, 11 dozers, and 20
helicopters
23 structures have been destroyed, including 7 residences during the first
day of the fire
Total cost to date is 19.9 million dollars
The cause of the fire is currently under investigation
The latest fire information can be found on Inciweb at
http://inciweb.org/incident/3516
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