[pct-l] Heavy Backpacks May Damage Nerves, Muscles and Skeleton, Study Suggests
Ross Williams
rosswilliams at advocacytechnologies.org
Sat Mar 2 12:44:44 CST 2013
I read this more as a story about the backpacks kids carry to school, not
hiking packs.
Ross Williams
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> 1. Euroshirm swing umbrella system (bluetrail at aol.com)
> 2. Filtering water (Ben Ulsh)
> 3. Re: Filtering water (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 4. Euroshirm swing umbrella system (linsey)
> 5. Re: Heavy Backpacks May Damage Nerves, Muscles and Skeleton,
> Study Suggests (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 6. MID MARCH hike (Patti McCarthy or Lynn Shapiro)
> 7. Re: MID MARCH hike (Charles Williams)
> 8. Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free? (River Malcolm)
> 9. Re: Heavy Backpacks May Damage Nerves, Muscles and Skeleton,
> Study Suggests (River Malcolm)
> 10. Got my permit from PCTA (Rika Oli)
> 11. Re: Got my permit from PCTA (Daniel Zellman)
> 12. Re: Got my permit from PCTA (brian)
> 13. Re: Jobs after the Trail (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 14. Re: Jobs after the Trail - the academic path (Jeffrey Olson)
> 15. Three-month forecast for the northwest - cooler than normal
> (Eric Lee)
> 16. Re: Filtering water (Scott Williams)
> 17. Re: MID MARCH hike (Scott Williams)
> 18. Re: Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free? (Scott Williams)
> 19. Ride to Kickoff from Eugene OR (Aaron Nicholson)
> 20. personal locator beacons (Chris Anderson)
> 21. Re: Filtering water (Dan Bedore)
> 22. Ice axes? (Carl Miller)
> 23. Re: Permit Question (Mino Giunta)
> 24. Re: Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free? (Ernie Castillo)
> 25. Re: Jobs after the Trail (Ernie Castillo)
> 26. Re: personal locator beacons (Diarmaid Harmon)
> 27. PCT Community Bear Canister Loan Program (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 28. Re: Ride to Kickoff from Eugene OR (surferskir at aol.com)
> 29. Re: Ice axes? (Scott Williams)
> 30. Air-X (Jim Eagleton)
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> From: bluetrail at aol.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:11:42 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [pct-l] Euroshirm swing umbrella system
>
> Has anyone used the Euroshirm swing umbrella system?
>
>
> http://www.euroschirm.com/schirm/Swing/info.cgi?session=OIa8gmF9pei01&sprache_land=usa
>
>
> If you have used it, do you have any comments about the useage of this
> umbrella with pack-mounting system? i.e., how well did it work for you?
>
> thanks,
> Joan
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:35:50 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Filtering water
> Hi all,
> Question about water sources in Southern California. As I understand it,
> there will be a number of questionable sources. Some where I will have to
> scoop up the water and pour it to my platty or bottle.
> Would it be a good idea to fashion some kind of simple scoop out of the
> bottom of a disposable water bottle? I'm trying to get an idea of what the
> most questionable or tricky water sources might look like so I can come up
> with a relatively efficient and pain free system. Thanks to everyone in
> advance!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:43:01 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Filtering water
> Good afternoon, Ben,
>
> Here’s one of the minimal-flow springs with my water handling gear:
> http://www.trailjournals.com/photos.cfm?id=288497
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > Question about water sources in Southern California. As I understand it,
> > there will be a number of questionable sources. Some where I will have to
> > scoop up the water and pour it to my platty or bottle.
> > Would it be a good idea to fashion some kind of simple scoop out of the
> > bottom of a disposable water bottle? I'm trying to get an idea of what
> the
> > most questionable or tricky water sources might look like so I can come
> up
> > with a relatively efficient and pain free system. Thanks to everyone in
> > advance!
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
> To: "bluetrail at aol.com" <bluetrail at aol.com>, pct list serve <
> pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:25:17 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [pct-l] Euroshirm swing umbrella system
> This umbrella is wonderful, I wouldn't hike without my silver reflective
> one--in fact I have a spare.
> Mine were quite a bit cheaper thru Amazon.com ($30 instead of $50) and
> Antigravitygear.com.
> I believe this is the same umbrella that Go-Lite badges as their own, but
> without the obnoxious and huge logo.
> They are German designed, but made in China so I'm not sure why the high
> pricepoint--again check Amazon.com or Antigravitygear.com for a better
> price.
>
> However, I've not used it hands free for more than the time it takes to
> snap photos in the rain.
> Since I abhor using trekking poles and since I do use Ray Jardine style
> thumbloops, it is not fatiguing to hold the umbrella and thumbloop
> together.
>
> You wrote:
>
> [pct-l] Euroshirm swing umbrella systembluetrail at aol.com bluetrail at
> aol.com
> Fri Mar 1 13:11:42 CST 2013
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> Has anyone used the Euroshirm swing umbrella system?
> http://www.euroschirm.com/schirm/Swing/info.cgi?session=OIa8gmF9pei01&sprache_land=usaIf you have used it, do you have any comments about the useage of this
> umbrella with pack-mounting system? i.e., how well did it work for you?
> thanks,
> Joan
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 07:51:20 +0900
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heavy Backpacks May Damage Nerves, Muscles and
> Skeleton, Study Suggests
> Dear Jeffrey
>
> No need to worry about that article. The sciencedaily is a mass media,
> which has some tendency to sensationalism. It only suggested that the
> heavy strain to the shoulders may damage to the soft tissues.
>
> Today, no one carry 25 kg load on the shoulders. Their research
> hypothesis was deviated from the real world. When the backpack weight
> exceeds around 10 or 15 kg, we know the pack weight should be
> distributed to the waist.
>
> To tell the truth, I am a professor of educational psychology,
> specialized in psychological testing, measurement, and research
> methodology. So, I am nervous about the research design. Fortunately,
> the research design in empirical science, ( psychology, medicine,
> life science etc. ) is all common. All the studies are not equal
> value. Its evidence level depends largely on their research design.
>
> There are a few studies concerning pack weight and injury.
>
> Hamonko et al (2011) may be the best research. They conducted the 1
> year prospective randomized comparative research at the Rocky
> mountaineering school. They examined the relation of real injury to
> physical factors. They found that the pack weight ( from 9.1 kg to
> 38.6 kg ) , age, gender, et al. had not related to the injury. ( UL
> course was also included. )
>
> The questionnaire method is inferior to the above method. There are
> two studies.
>
> Lobb(2004) conducted questionnaire study to 2,403 trampers in New
> Zealand. They found that the packweight, age, and gender, et al had
> not related to injury. Their average pack weight was 20 kg.
>
> Anderson, et al.( 2009) carried out questionnaire methdod to 128 AT
> and PCT hikers. They found pack weight, footwear had not related to
> injury.
>
> I am accidentally belong to this list, but I had learned very much
> from American hiker, and very fortunately, I have written a hiking
> handbook, which will be published in April or May. So I searched an
> collected valuable scientific papers concerning hiking.
>
>
> Reference
>
> Hamonko, M.T., McIntosh, S.E., Schimelpfenig, T., \& Leemon, D. \ \
> 2011 \ \ Injuries related to hiking with a pack during National
> Outdoor Leadership School courses: a risk factor analysis. {\it
> Wilderness Environmental Medicine}, 22, 2-6.
>
> Lobb, B. \ \ 2004 \ \ Load carriage for fun: a survey of New Zealand
> trampers, their activities and injuries. {\it Applied Ergonomics}, 35,
> 541-547.}
>
> Anderson, L.S. Jr, Rebholz, C.M., White, L.F., Mitchell, P., Curcio,
> E.P. 3rd, Feldman, J.A., \& Kahn, J.H. \ \ 2009 \ \ The impact of
> footwear and packweight on injury and illness among long-distance
> hikers. {\it Wilderness Environtal Medicine}, 20, 250-256.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami 村上宣寛 )
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Patti McCarthy or Lynn Shapiro <mcshap at roadrunner.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:59:26 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] MID MARCH hike
> Hello All
> We're section hikers and have a big celebration/break mid-March that can
> give us a few days on the trail. I know generally speaking hiking the
> section of Central/Northern Cali in mid-March is crazy, but I heard the
> snow was light this year and was wondering if anyone knew what that area
> was like now. Any section between Sierra City/Hwy 49 to Chester/Hwy 36 will
> do. I'm going to be in the Chico area and would rather hit the trail early
> up there, then our alternative of driving towards home and picking a
> section in So Cal.
>
> Thank you for any info!
> Patti (No trail name yet, still new to the trail but lovin' it!)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> To: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:12:06 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] MID MARCH hike
> Patti or Lynn,
> I live in Quincy (right inbetween Sierra City and Chester) and I can tell
> you there's a little bit of snow in town right now at 3500 feet. The PCT
> is quite a bit higher through most of this area and would have significant
> snow nearly the entire way from Hwy 49 to Hwy 36.
>
> The notable exceptions would be the descent into the Middle Fork of the
> Feather River and the climb up the other side. But it would be difficult
> to acces the snow free area there without traveling on roads that are all
> snowbound right now. The other exception is the Belden area (hwy 70) but
> thanks to a steep climb in either direction, you would only be able to do a
> day hike before ascending to snow.
>
> In short, go to LA and hike there in March.
>
> Charles
>
> --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Patti McCarthy or Lynn Shapiro <mcshap at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patti McCarthy or Lynn Shapiro <mcshap at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] MID MARCH hike
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 2:59 PM
>
>
> Hello All
> We're section hikers and have a big celebration/break mid-March that can
> give us a few days on the trail. I know generally speaking hiking the
> section of Central/Northern Cali in mid-March is crazy, but I heard the
> snow was light this year and was wondering if anyone knew what that area
> was like now. Any section between Sierra City/Hwy 49 to Chester/Hwy 36 will
> do. I'm going to be in the Chico area and would rather hit the trail early
> up there, then our alternative of driving towards home and picking a
> section in So Cal.
>
> Thank you for any info!
> Patti (No trail name yet, still new to the trail but lovin' it!)
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> From: River Malcolm <river at orcasonline.com>
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:22:39 -0500
> Subject: [pct-l] Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free?
> Love to hear from anyone has used hands free successfully and how...
> Thanks!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:25 PM, linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This umbrella is wonderful, I wouldn't hike without my silver reflective
> one--in fact I have a spare.
> > Mine were quite a bit cheaper thru Amazon.com ($30 instead of $50) and
> Antigravitygear.com.
> > I believe this is the same umbrella that Go-Lite badges as their own,
> but without the obnoxious and huge logo.
> > They are German designed, but made in China so I'm not sure why the high
> pricepoint--again check Amazon.com or Antigravitygear.com for a better
> price.
> >
> > However, I've not used it hands free for more than the time it takes to
> snap photos in the rain.
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: River Malcolm <river at orcasonline.com>
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:27:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heavy Backpacks May Damage Nerves, Muscles and
> Skeleton, Study Suggests
> Thank you Yoshohiro for sharing your knowledge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Jeffrey
> >
> > No need to worry about that article. The sciencedaily is a mass media,
> > which has some tendency to sensationalism. It only suggested that the
> > heavy strain to the shoulders may damage to the soft tissues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rika Oli <rikaandoli at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:20:08 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Got my permit from PCTA
> Just wanted to report for those who are wondering if it will ever
> come, I got my thru permit from PCTA today. I submitted my form online
> on February 8 and mailed it immediately. Got it today in the mail.
> yay.
>
> Rika (aka Double Sprainbow)
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
> To: Rika Oli <rikaandoli at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:33:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Got my permit from PCTA
> Ditto! On receiving our permits ... and on the "yay!"
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2013, Rika Oli wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to report for those who are wondering if it will ever
> > come, I got my thru permit from PCTA today. I submitted my form online
> > on February 8 and mailed it immediately. Got it today in the mail.
> > yay.
> >
> > Rika (aka Double Sprainbow)
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> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:39:10 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Got my permit from PCTA
> Got mine today too..
>
>
> On 03/01/2013 06:33 PM, Daniel Zellman wrote:
>
>> Ditto! On receiving our permits ... and on the "yay!"
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2013, Rika Oli wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to report for those who are wondering if it will ever
>>> come, I got my thru permit from PCTA today. I submitted my form online
>>> on February 8 and mailed it immediately. Got it today in the mail.
>>> yay.
>>>
>>> Rika (aka Double Sprainbow)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:17:05 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jobs after the Trail
> My IP address seems to be on the spam list so let's see what happens here
> after changing some email settings...
>
> My experience was thus: I quit a good high paying job to go hike the
> trail. I hiked the trail two summers in a row, two halves. In between hikes
> I found a company that would offered repeated seasonal work, so I could say
> that I was continuously employed. When I sent out resumes and cover letters
> and filled out applications, there was nothing to indicate I had frolicked
> through meadows of wildflowers for two summers. When it came time to go to
> interviews, I decided I would not volunteer any information about hiking
> unless it seemed like the answer would be helpful.
>
> I do not remember exactly what I was asked, but ended up talking about my
> hikes in two interviews and got both jobs. The question was probably why
> did I leave Company X (because it's such a high-profile great local
> company). I told them that I decided I wanted to travel. That's the reason
> I told Company X I was quitting anyway and it was true. When asked about
> the details, I decided to tell them about my hikes. I decided that if they
> didn't think what I did was a sign of determination, strength and the
> ability to achieve whatever I set my mind to, I wouldn't want to work there
> anyway. People were very interested. I got both jobs.
>
> I had already proven to myself that I could live on very little money,
> that there was more to life than getting a job and that I could make what
> money I had last for a long time with seasonal jobs. Basically, I was cool
> and comfortable, not desperate. I had nothing to lose and they had
> everything to gain.
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Abilene B. <abilenebushong at hotmail.com>
>> **wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This might sound like an odd question but my friends and family keep
>>> telling me how thru-hiking the PCT will make me a more desirable employee
>>> when I return. They explain that it will look good on my resume and give
>>> me
>>> one up on my competition. My career is in parks and recreation, so it
>>> seems
>>> obvious I guess that it might - but does anyone know how? Has anyone
>>> experienced this happening to them after returning and getting a job?
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:02:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jobs after the Trail - the academic path
> There is a small population of persons who naturally do well in school,
> who have the motivation and ability to manipulate the system to get an
> advanced degree without going too much into debt, and create a life that in
> small part includes a job.
>
> There's a larger population who go to school, earn a PhD and buy into the
> university lifestyle. For the most part, those in the tenure track that
> like to hike that dream of hiking for five months at the end of one
> semester and beginning of another, are wannabes. Choices preclude...
>
> The smaller population who naturally do well in school and create a life
> that uses university jobs can pretty much do what they want. The earlier a
> person realizes that an advanced degree provides opportunity to create a
> life not wedded to a job, the more fluid and exciting a life is possible.
>
> For example, a person can go to a university on the quarter system
> (University of Washington) and have four months during the summer to hike.
> Once you get to the ABD stage - all but dissertation - those four months
> can open up to five or six at least once - if you plan well. You have to
> find a dissertation chair that protects you, who is a maverick (this is
> key) but respected.
>
> For the 20 something contemplating an academic career that in reality is
> secondary to hiking/biking/climbing/**traveling, make sure you get
> accepted into a Carnegie One institution. The name of your doctoral
> institution will add a layer that will help you carve a career.
>
> Rather than a tenure track job, of which there are fewer and fewer, find a
> teaching job that is year to year, or a research position that has a
> discernible end to a grant, and plop in a semester/five months off.
>
> You've got to trust you have everything that a college/university/research
> group wants. You have to get good at what you do without buying into a
> "career track" that has you wake up at 55 really successful in a career,
> well-known, perhaps worldwide, but blubbery, a bad back, soft tummy, and a
> wishful looking back at to what you chose.
>
> If teaching is your emphasis, work with your Chair or Dean and plan for a
> semester off to hike. If it's research, make sure you hook up with the
> career type that is good at getting funded, and make sure you're good at
> what you do. You can plan time off, although you'll be told by those who
> fear the loss of a job it's a career killer. You have to have the attitude,
> "so what!" You've got to realize that persons good at what they do can
> always find a job. And getting "good at what you do" is a function of
> self-discipline, which includes hiking/biking/climbing/**traveling.
>
> You've read the posts that say having hiked the PCT is positive in a job
> interview. When you get to interviewing for teaching or research jobs,
> year to year, the chair or dean will feel a sense of loss and part of how
> s/he sees you is the younger self they never empowered.
>
> Make it clear you want to advance your research and teaching. Make sure
> you publish enough to maintain academic credibility, but not enough to
> demonstrate you've lost focus on what's important (hiking). Only you can
> determine that.
>
> Or, if you're absolutely not interested in publishing, find a college that
> is all about teaching. There's little status in such a job - a community
> college or tribal college or online university. So what. You can create a
> rich and texturous life that makes a difference in the lives of your
> students.
>
> One impending reality is that if you teach online, you can do so from
> points on the PCT. With satellite access, you can hike and teach. Think
> about it... YOu could work four to six hours online a day, teaching four
> online courses, and hike and camp the rest. A friend of mine now works as
> a temporary assistant lecturer (her was dean of a business school) for a
> state university in the southeast and is in SEattle hanging with his
> daughter for a couple months. With satellite internet access you can work
> from ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> You have to create your life. You have to envision a path that isn't
> defined by benchmarks others create. What attracts academic employers in
> this day is vision and the ability to be organized. Your job can't appear
> as secondary to your employer. You have to convince your Dean/Chair that
> you are totally on top of your responsibilities, that this is your "CAREER"
> all while hiking the trail.
>
> The other side of this that adds complexity is doing this with a mate, and
> if you want children, how to integrate them into your life's plan.
>
> Yes!!!
>
> Jeffrey Olson
> Rapid City, SD
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:31:28 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Three-month forecast for the northwest - cooler than
> normal
> Looks like the northwest should be cooler than normal for the next three
> months, which means a slower melt-out. I think I'm going stir-crazy. I'm
> doing entirely too much daydreaming about the trail right now. :-P
>
>
>
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/l3mto.php
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:27:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Filtering water
> I used a little plastic cup similar to Steel-Eye's that I got in a Best
> Western. It was originally one of their water cups. It weighed almost
> nothing and served to hold wild ingredients I was cutting up for dinner,
> and to dip water out of really small streams and puddles. As flimsy as it
> was, it lasted for about 5 years of backpacking and the entire PCT before
> being retired mid-way on the CDT. The simplest of things become so useful
> on a long trail.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:44:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] MID MARCH hike
> I just drove over Donner Pass this afternoon and although there is a lot
> less snow today than there was 2 months ago, it is still a good covering.
> You might make it through as it is now, but the weather outlook is for
> snow on Sunday and a good dump on Wednesday and possibly more after that.
> We've finally got a few storms backed up one after the other out in the
> Pacific and heading in. If you have the flexibility, I'd get all packed up
> to go and just see what it's like when your departure date approaches and
> run south if these back to back dumps materialize. If they do, the
> Northern Sierra is not where you want to spend a nice mid-March break.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: River Malcolm <river at orcasonline.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:58:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free?
> Except in a really strong wind I always use my trekking umbrella hands
> free. It looks just like the one in the picture, but I got it on sale for
> $20 with no logos, so hunt around. Go-Lite was selling the same thing for
> $25 last summer during a sale.
>
> I find no need for a fancy hook up. I put my chest strap across the
> umbrella shaft, keeping the hand grip bulb below the strap. Synch it down
> more securely as the wind kicks up, but only in the strongest of blows did
> I have to grab it to keep it from blowing away. At those times I'd hold
> one hiking pole and the umbrella with one hand and keep using the other
> pole for hiking, or running like crazy to get off the ridge and away from
> the lightening strikes. But in most rains it just snugs up against my
> chest and covers my upper body and the top of my pack and allows me to keep
> my camera readily available for those gorgeous rain and mist shots. My
> lens always stayed dry.
>
> I wouldn't hike without my trusty umbrella.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Aaron Nicholson <aaronjamesnicholson at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:28:35 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride to Kickoff from Eugene OR
> I plan to drive my car to Kickoff this year, starting in Eugene OR.
> Looking for some riders from that area or to join along the way (priority
> will be given based on proximity to starting point, for convenience's
> sake). We'll be splitting gas. Also looking for someone from Eugene who
> is going to Kickoff weekend but not hiking to drive my car back to
> Eugene...any takers?
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:59:06 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [pct-l] personal locator beacons
> I am looking at PLB's right now due to pressure from my family and loved
> ones. I am looking at the spot, and also the acr resqlink. the spot is
> cheaper but requires a yearly plan, while the resqlink is more expensive,
> it doesn't require paying for a subscription. Does anybody have experience
> or knowledge about the two comparing their satellite coverage? I have
> heard the spot device is "spotty" when sending the OK msg...and the acr
> doesn't have that option. I'm not interested in options, just peace of
> mind for others...so how do i find out if one or the other has better
> coverage/transmission. The acr seems to be a cheaper buy even if more
> expensive since i plan on causing my loved ones more trepidation in the
> future...sometimes you can't convince people you will be ok...and it would
> be nice to have a backup backup plan in case i end up not ok
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even
> though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that
> knows neither victory nor defeat!
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dan Bedore <mr_dan_bedore at yahoo.com>
> To: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:30:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Filtering water
> Yes, a light cup cut from the base of a water bottle or 18" of hose from
> an old water filter can be very handy when harvesting very shallow water
> sources.
>
> Dan Bedore
> www.bedore.org
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > Question about water sources in Southern California. As I understand
> it, there will be a number of questionable sources. Some where I will have
> to scoop up the water and pour it to my platty or bottle.
> > Would it be a good idea to fashion some kind of simple scoop out of the
> bottom of a disposable water bottle? I'm trying to get an idea of what the
> most questionable or tricky water sources might look like so I can come up
> with a relatively efficient and pain free system. Thanks to everyone in
> advance!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carl Miller <hikecraterlake at gmail.com>
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:07:32 +0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Ice axes?
> Hello everyone. My wife and I will be starting our through hike early May
> from Campo North. I've read mixed reports on whether an ice ax is needed
> in some high elevation sections or not...any input is appreciated. Cheers,
> and tread lightly.
> Carl
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mino Giunta <mino.giunta at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:58:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permit Question
> Brian, there have been a few posts here lately from people worried about
> not getting their permits yet. For reference, I just received my permit
> today and I applied for it on Feb 6. I received a letter thanking me for my
> donation a week or two ago.
>
> Hopefully that quells some fears.
>
> Mino (no trail name yet)
>
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:52:13 -0600
> > From: brian <hikerbum72 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Permit question
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <512F994D.3050400 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > To the hiking world,
> >
> > Question about the long distance permit... I filled out the form and
> > sent in my $5 and today I got a letter from PCTA thanking me for the
> > donation. But where's the permit???? Anybody know what this is about?
> >
> >
> > Brian
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 06:08:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Euroshim swing--has anyone used hands free?
> Except in a really strong wind I always use my trekking umbrella hands
> free. . . .
>
> WWMPD
>
> (What Would Mary Poppins Do?)
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 06:22:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jobs after the Trail
> My 2 cents worth.
> While interviewing, you want to be
>
> Confident
> Honest
> Regarding confidence, if you have survived life on the PCT, you have
> proven to yourself you can do anything you set your mind to do, can plan
> well, can adapt well to changes, and are goal driven. These are job skills
> that are proven by doing, not by sitting in a classroom.
>
> Regarding honesty, be up-front, blunt, and honest. For me, it was simple
> to explain the gap in my employment history. "I took time off to pursue a
> dream, to see America up close, to be more than just a professional
> spectator."
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>
> To:
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 07:30:08 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] personal locator beacons
> Chris.
>
> I use the spot and I found that the signal doesn't always go through. It
> doesn't seem to matter whether I was in a clear area or a wooded area it
> was random. I got in the habit of sending double spot's at each time. Your
> loved ones need to understand that not hearing from you doesn't mean there
> is an emergency. The device can fail and you may need to get to the next
> town to send a message home that all is ok.
>
> Diarmaid "Irish" Harmon
> irishharmon at comcast.net
>
> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
> in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the
> other, yell 'Holy Sh**, What a Ride!"
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Chris Anderson wrote:
>
> > I am looking at PLB's right now due to pressure from my family and loved
> ones. I am looking at the spot, and also the acr resqlink. the spot is
> cheaper but requires a yearly plan, while the resqlink is more expensive,
> it doesn't require paying for a subscription. Does anybody have experience
> or knowledge about the two comparing their satellite coverage? I have
> heard the spot device is "spotty" when sending the OK msg...and the acr
> doesn't have that option. I'm not interested in options, just peace of
> mind for others...so how do i find out if one or the other has better
> coverage/transmission. The acr seems to be a cheaper buy even if more
> expensive since i plan on causing my loved ones more trepidation in the
> future...sometimes you can't convince people you will be ok...and it would
> be nice to have a backup backup plan in case i end up not ok
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> > Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even
> though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that
> knows neither victory nor defeat!
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Community Bear Canister Loan Program
> Attention: 2013 nobo PCT thru-hikers...
> Announcing the seventh year of the PCT Community Bear Canister Loan
> Program!
>
> Are you on a very tight budget having limited finances or coming from
> outside
> the USA or from an area of the country in which you won't have ANY use
> whatsoever
> for a bear canister after your PCT thru-hike?
> You may be able to borrow a bear canister for your PCT thru-hike for 'free'
> (except for USPS return shipping)...
> The loan program is NOT done on a 'first come - first served basis', but
> rather
> on a show of 'some' need, however small, in the borrower selection
> process...
> The loan program is run solely on the HONOR SYSTEM - so please be honest,
> open,
> and thorough when submitting your request (requests remain confidential)...
> Sorry, but the loan program is not set up to serve sobo thrus nor JMT
> hikers -
> we do NOT ship the canisters to thrus on the trail, canisters are picked
> up &
> signed out in person...
> Long section hikers will also be considered, but primary focus is on
> thru-hikers.
> ** ('new' this year – making arrangements for the canisters to be stored
> and
> distributed in the Kennedy Meadows area, PCT mile ~702) **
>
> If you think you might qualify for a 'free' bear canister loan for your
> 2013 nobo
> PCT thru-hike, please contact me off-list (subject: PCT Bear Can Loan) -
> and
> explain your reason or need to borrow a bear canister for your hike...
> Selected borrowers must provide an active (during & after your hike) email
> address
> and phone number, your anticipated start date, and 'planned' ETA at the
> canister
> distribution point...
> Selected borrowers must also agree to an informal 'contract' via email
> before a
> canister is reserved in your name and the loan is 'finalized'...
>
> Please do not delay until the last moment to request a canister; we would
> like to
> arrange and finalize all canister loans by the end of March...
>
> Thank you.
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim "PITA" Payne
> (email: enyapjr at comcast dot net; subject: PCT Bear Can Loan)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: surferskir at aol.com
> To: aaronjamesnicholson at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:27:16 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ride to Kickoff from Eugene OR
>
> Take the train!
> Its cheaper than buying all that gasoline. Solves your return auto problem.
> Wait until you get across the California border and start paying $4.29 a
> gallon. AMTRAK is cheaper with student discount or AAA discount, etc.
> Better on the environment, too.
>
> --Dennis--
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Nicholson <aaronjamesnicholson at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:28 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride to Kickoff from Eugene OR
>
>
> I plan to drive my car to Kickoff this year, starting in Eugene OR.
> Looking for some riders from that area or to join along the way (priority
> will be given based on proximity to starting point, for convenience's
> sake). We'll be splitting gas. Also looking for someone from Eugene who
> is going to Kickoff weekend but not hiking to drive my car back to
> Eugene...any takers?
>
> Aaron
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Carl Miller <hikecraterlake at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:05:17 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice axes?
> It all depends on the year and the snow. If it continues to be a low snow
> year than maybe not, but several storms are stacked up and heading into CA
> this next week and they could completely change the picture. Our group
> used them and crampons and microspikes in 2010 which was a very cold spring
> with little melt off. In 2012 people hiked on dirt where we had used ice
> axes. Just one serious storm cycle and a cold snap can change the picture
> dramatically, so I'd stay posted and be prepared with one. Others on this
> list have never had to use them, but in a cold spring and with hard snow on
> the passes, I still travel with one.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Carl Miller <hikecraterlake at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone. My wife and I will be starting our through hike early
> May
> > from Campo North. I've read mixed reports on whether an ice ax is needed
> > in some high elevation sections or not...any input is appreciated.
> Cheers,
> > and tread lightly.
> > Carl
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim Eagleton <eagletonjim at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:25:41 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [pct-l] Air-X
>
> A quick review of the Air-X which I ordered at the '12 Kickoff and shipped
> to Kennedy Meadows.
>
> Overall, I think this is a great compromise between a light weight pack
> and a high capacity pack.
> Unfortunately, compromise is a questionable attribute. If there was a
> Cuban/Spandex pack that completely achieved both light weight and high
> capacity, the pack would be called a high end pack, not a compromise.
>
> The Air-X comes with a Klymit Interia X-Lite pad. I tried this one night
> at KM and plan to give it more testing to see if it works for me.
> However, the weight with the pump is not much less than a Neoaire, so I
> used my Neoaire pad. The pack with a great pad is a good deal, if you use
> it.
>
> If you get past the cost, you can use the pack as you wish. For example,
> more than half the ULA users don't use the bundgies for holding water
> bottles on their shoulder straps. You can use the pack with a standard
> torso Thermorest or foam pad. I think air pads are slightly more
> comfortable than foam for small lumps, like the side of a peanut butter
> jar, and significantly less comfortable for a sharp lump, like the edge of
> a peanut butter jar. I over inflated the pad for the first few miles out
> of KM and it felt like I was carrying a water bed. This over inflation
> never happened again. I never had trouble with under inflation but maybe I
> was always careful in packing the pack.
>
> The pack performed well with a bear canister. I put the sleeping bag in
> first, and the bear canister rested very comfortably in the small of my
> back. When I shipped the canister home at Echo Lake, the pack was a nice
> light weight pack. However, the pack is huge, and much of the weight is
> very far away from your back. It seems to torque the front of your
> shoulders.
>
> The pack is rated for 40 lb vs 35 lb for the Circuit. I don't know how
> ULA comes up with these ratings but I would have found the Circuit
> significantly more comfortable than the Air-X (after I sent the canister
> home).
>
> I really wish there was a way to judge how much weight a pack could
> comfortably transfer to the hips. Now, you get these ultra light wackos
> posting on the internet how comfortable their 10 lb base weight was for the
> 6 hr they were carrying 4 liters of water.
>
> Rambler (wacko in training)
>
>
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