[pct-l] Looking for repair tips & tricks for swiss
Greg Hummel
bighummel at aol.com
Sat Mar 30 17:21:49 CDT 2013
To loosely quote Fletch, "We're going to need 4 quarts of high grade Pennzoil, six rolls of gauze and a bag of 30-0 ball bearings". What do you ask we need the ball bearings for? Well young man, don't you know that long distance hiking is all about ball bearings these days?
Happy trails,
Greg Hummel
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker·
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1. Re: Mosquitos (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
2. Re: How do water caches work? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
3. Re: How do water caches work? (sbryce at scottbryce.com)
4. Looking for repair tips & tricks for swiss cheese-like side
mesh pockets (Scott "Squatch" Herriott)
5. Re: Question about Yosemite side trip (Gary Wright)
6. Re: Tp again! (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
7. Re: Question about Yosemite side trip (Stephen Clark)
8. Re: Mosquitos (Edward Anderson)
9. Re: old svea (Ned Tibbits)
10. Re: Tp again! (Dan Jacobs)
11. Re: How do water caches work? (Bob Bankhead)
12. Re: Tp again! (Jim Marco)
13. Re: How do water caches work? (Ron Graybill)
14. Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit? (Eric Lee)
15. Re: Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit?
(Jim Banks)
16. Ray Day and Leaving Kennedy Meadows (Mark Halverstadt)
17. Re: Ray Day and Leaving Kennedy Meadows (CHUCK CHELIN)
18. Re: Mosquitos (tmjgame at comcast.net)
19. Older hikers (MARY E DAVISON)
20. Re: How do water caches work? (Scott Bryce)
21. PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood (Garrett Cotham)
22. Re: PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood (Brick Robbins)
23. Mac and cheese (Dan)
24. Re: How do water caches work? (surferskir at aol.com)
25. Re: PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood (Diarmaid Harmon)
26. Re: Mosquitos (David Thibault)
27. Re: Mosquitos (Dan Jacobs)
28. Re: Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit? (Kathi)
29. Re: Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit? (JPL)
30. Re: Anyone want to be more terrified of rattlesnakes?
(Paul Mitchell)
31. Re: Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit? (Kathi)
32. Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? (Ron Graybill)
33. Mosquitos (Herb Stroh)
34. Re: Mac and cheese (Scott Williams)
35. spikes/axe (Kathryn Thompson)
36. old svea (Thatcher Koch)
37. Re: How do water caches work? (sbryce at scottbryce.com)
38. ? Recommendations & Information (Jim Wilson)
39. Self sufficiency (Ernie Castillo)
40. Re: PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
41. Re: ? Recommendations & Information (CHUCK CHELIN)
42. Re: Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? (Jackie McDonnell)
43. Re: Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? (Ron Graybill)
44. Re: Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? (Jackie McDonnell)
45. Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? / WATER (Edward Anderson)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:04:20 -0700
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Mar 29, 2013, at 9:19 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> From: Brett Kenney <tribalattorney at gmail.com>
>
> I hate, hate, hate mosquitos. How do you deal with them on the trail?
> DEET? Mesh head cover?
Yes.
And double layered clothing if they can bite through my single layer.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:12:03 -0700
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I don't think anybody is trying to sound arrogant about hiking the
first 20 miles without a water cache. The PCT contains many sections
of 20 miles or more without water sources. It is a reality of the
PCT. People should be prepared for this reality since water caches
cannot be considered truly reliable and neither can ever potential
natural water source. Recently I did a 3-day weekend backpack trip/
trail working trip where all the water needed had to be carried in on
Saturday. I discarded 2.5 liters of excess on the following Monday.
Having to carry a lot of water is not a huge hardship, just an
annoyance.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:32:23 -0400
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> However, I want to question one objection: whether a person is not worthy
> to be on the PCT if they can't make it from Campo to Lake Morena carrying
> all the water they need.
It isn't a matter of being worthy. It is a matter of being capable. If you
cannot carry enough water to last 20 miles, you are going to have a lot of
problems hiking much of the PCT.
You found a solution for your short section hike by caching your own
water. You did good. But having an established cache for all hikers is a
different matter.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:35:15 -0700
From: "Scott \"Squatch\" Herriott" <yetifan7 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Looking for repair tips & tricks for swiss
cheese-like side mesh pockets
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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My Gossamer Gear Gorilla Pack is basically doing fine after a couple of
years on the AT but the bottom of the side mesh pockets are getting a wee
bit hole-y. Any and all advice to limit such hole-y-ness is much
appreciated.
Thanks,
Squatch
squatchfilms.com
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:45:07 -0400
From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question about Yosemite side trip
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On Mar 26, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Frank Dumville <fdumville at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I haven't been there, but I have heard many suggest that nearby Cloud's Rest
is as good or better than Half Dome and not so crowded. You could probably do
that as a day hike for which you would not need a permit.
While possible from other trail heads, I wouldn't recommend trying Cloud's Rest
as a day hike if you are starting from the PCT near Tuolumne.
A thru-hiker certainly *could* hike a route such as Tuolumne -> Cloud's Rest ->
Yosemite Valley, but it would be a long day and there are so many spectacular
views along the route that I think even the most milage oriented thru-hiker
would feel that they were rushing just to get to a campsite in the valley before
dark.
FYI, if you get a backcountry permit in Tuolumne for your hike down to the
valley it also includes a stay in the backpacker campsite in the Valley on the
day of your arrival so you don't need to scramble for a place to sleep when you
reach the metropolis of Yosemite Valley.
I've visited Yosemite Valley on two different occasions from the PCT. Once I
hitched down and back and the second time I hiked down via Cloud's Rest and Half
Dome. On both occasions I found the actual Valley experience a bit of a
cultural shock. After hiking through the High Sierra, the car camping crowds of
the Valley were a bit jarring. Set your expectations accordingly.
If I did this again, I might consider some alternate routes to hike back out of
the Valley (e.g. Yosemite Falls) to re-join the PCT farther north rather than
heading back to Tuolumne.
Radar
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:10:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tp again!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Or you could do the right thing and pack it out. That way it's a sure thing.
If it degrades so readily, why do I see it all over the backcountry camping
spots?
Gary
On 03/28/13, Sir Mixalot wrote:
The depth problem is why I encourage people to carry a trowel on the PCT,
at least for big parts of California. Some people claim they can dig deep
enough with their foot or trekking pole, but I doubt that. There are very
light trowels that still allow us to be ultralight, and ultralighters can
use those trowels as stakes. Maybe those people aren't completely wrong
though. I'd probably see much more TP on the PCT if they were. Still, a
couple inches deeper is almost always a good thing.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Ellen Shopes <igellenig at gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems like this issue pops up every couple of years.
> someone actually did a back yard experiment to see how long it took TP to
> disappear. In a moist environment, it actually happens fairly quickly.
> Hence the rule about burying TP in the cathole.
> My issue with this is two-fold. First, many a cat hole is not the
> requisite depth. Whether because the terrain has too many rocks and roots,
> or the person doesn't have a good digging implement, the feces/TP ends up
> near the surface. Second, in a dry environment, TP doesn't break down very
> quickly. I have spent many a day at the Grand Canyon when I was rangering
> picking up TP trash. Really, people, TP doesn't weigh that much. Pack it
> out.
> No Butt
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:11:45 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question about Yosemite side trip
To: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
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For a Clouds Rest from Tuolumne Meadows day hike take the free shuttle from
the Tuolumne Meadows store to Tenaya Lake. From the west end of the lake
the trail to Clouds Rest is approx: 6.5 to7 miles. Just plan so you don't
miss the last shuttle back to Tuolumne.
Snake Charmer
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Frank Dumville <fdumville at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't been there, but I have heard many suggest that nearby Cloud's
> Rest is as good or better than Half Dome and not so crowded. You could
> probably do that as a day hike for which you would not need a permit.
>
> While possible from other trail heads, I wouldn't recommend trying Cloud's
> Rest as a day hike if you are starting from the PCT near Tuolumne.
>
> A thru-hiker certainly *could* hike a route such as Tuolumne -> Cloud's
> Rest -> Yosemite Valley, but it would be a long day and there are so many
> spectacular views along the route that I think even the most milage
> oriented thru-hiker would feel that they were rushing just to get to a
> campsite in the valley before dark.
>
> FYI, if you get a backcountry permit in Tuolumne for your hike down to the
> valley it also includes a stay in the backpacker campsite in the Valley on
> the day of your arrival so you don't need to scramble for a place to sleep
> when you reach the metropolis of Yosemite Valley.
>
> I've visited Yosemite Valley on two different occasions from the PCT.
> Once I hitched down and back and the second time I hiked down via Cloud's
> Rest and Half Dome. On both occasions I found the actual Valley
> experience a bit of a cultural shock. After hiking through the High
> Sierra, the car camping crowds of the Valley were a bit jarring. Set your
> expectations accordingly.
>
> If I did this again, I might consider some alternate routes to hike back
> out of the Valley (e.g. Yosemite Falls) to re-join the PCT farther north
> rather than heading back to Tuolumne.
>
> Radar
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: Brett Kenney <tribalattorney at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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Hi Brett,
Welcome to the PCT. Mosquitoes and ticks are unavoidable on certain parts and at
certain times on the PCT.? I too, especially hate - hate - hate them. Early in
2008, before starting my PCT ride, I bought insect/tick repellant cloths at
REI.? At the time of purchase I didn't know how well they would work. When I
started from the Mexican border I had a complete set of ExOfficio cloths (the
active repellant is permethrin) plus, of course, Deet. The clothing that I
bought, starting from my feet and going to the top of my head, was:??? The
socks, pants, shirt, and the Cape hat. They were very effective in repelling
insects and ticks. Mosquitoes would hover around and if they landed on my cloths
they would fly away immediately. They would never sting through. To protect
exposed skin I used the Deet - on the back of my hands, on my forehead, and on
my cheeks - and a little on my beard. This worked for me - mosquitoes were not a
problem. I also had along a
net but hardly used it. Between Canada and Mexico I talked to and watched many
hikers who were pretty miserable, especially because of the vicious mosquitoes.?
Ticks will also be a problem, especially in parts of Southern California, the
worst was probably Section E, but also Sections B, C, and D. I never had a tick
bite. The Deet was useful in trying to protect my horse. It takes a lot of Deet
for a horse. And with a horse, I had to seek out meadow areas where there would
be grass. And mosquitoes were often there too.?
Here's something else to consider.? Bring a two-part tent - the inner part being
insect netting - excellent ventilation and you can see out - you can star-gaze
and enjoy views of the forest. In my case, my horse and I could see each other.
The outer shell is the rain fly. I rarely used the rain-fly - only if was, or
was likely to rain, or on the few sites were I wanted privacy.? By preference, I
almost always camped alone with my horse. Tents that combine the two will
compromise ventilation and you will sometimes have condensation.
You can also purchase them through the web. Just search for:?? ExOfficio insect
repellant clothing.???????? I don't know if spraying the permethrin on would be
as effective as when it is part of the fabric.
Have a great hike,
MendoRider-Hiker
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From: Brett Kenney <tribalattorney at gmail.com>
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Mosquitos
I hate, hate, hate mosquitos.? How do you deal with them on the trail?
DEET?? Mesh head cover?
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:28:12 -0700
From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] old svea
To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>, "Thatcher Koch"
<ironlegs at pacbell.net>
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That's half the fun of using a SVEA, how loud it is! It's like camping at
the airport or sleeping beside a high sierra creek during the thaw (tons of
white water roaring all over the place).
The other fun half of using the SVEA is priming it and bringing it up to
that wonderful roar! Something you do when you're trying to wake up--makes
you think and pay attention, then want coffee!
Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education
www.mountaineducation.org
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From: Jim & Jane Moody
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 4:03 AM
To: Thatcher Koch
Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] old svea
I took my Svea 123 on the AT in '06. On advice of a Whiteblaze poster, I
tried to replace the seal in the screw-in cap. Couldn't find just the seal,
so I bought an entire new cap, with new seals.
Tough, dependable stove, but LOUD! If you accidentally step on it, you
twist an ankle.
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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 4:03:43 AM
Subject: [pct-l] old svea
i have an old svea 123 which i haven't used in years and i'm thinking of
using
on a future hike. should i be worried about the seals failing? thanks.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:33:28 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tp again!
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, <gary_schenk at verizon.net> wrote:
> If it degrades so readily, why do I see it all over the back
> country camping spots?
>
> Gary
Because most people are basically lazy and don't prepare it properly to
break down quickly, or they just let it fall where it may and leave it
without even thinking about a proper burial. Why should they do anything to
make *your* wilderness experience better? (that there is called sarcasm)
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
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Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:38:42 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: "'PCT MailingList'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The bottom line lesson for folks to learn is this:
NO CACHE IS 100% RELIABLE, NOT EVEN ONE YOU SET YOURSELF
1. It might be gone when you arrive; removed by the owner or simply stolen
by a critter or by someone else (not necessarily another hiker). Community
bear boxes are unlocked and open to anyone anytime.
2. It might be empty when you arrive; other folks beat you to it and/or it
hasn't been refilled yet
If you set your own caches,
(1) label them appropriately: "supplies for (name) arriving about (date)" If
you're feeling generous, you might add "Free to anyone after (date)"
(2) package securely - bear canisters work best for anything with a smell;
OP sacks are 2nd best. Tie gallon water jugs together and/or to something
immovable.
(3) position securely - bury or hang well away from the trail. Mark the
location on your map or record GPS coordinates. It's wasted effort if you
can't find it again.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:41:57 +0000
From: Jim Marco <jdm27 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tp again!
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Considering the thousands of people that use it in the back country every year,
I think a better question would be why there is so little of it.
My thoughts only . . .
jdm
> If it degrades so readily, why do I see it all over the back country
> camping spots?
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:27:26 -0700
From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Well said, Bob--a good summary. And even the post that said "Anyone who
can't make it from Campo to Lake Morena without a cache has no business
hiking the PCT," only needs to be modified a bit to win universal consent:
"Anyone who can't carry enough water to hike a 20 mile stretch on the PCT
where no reliable water source is available shouldn't be hiking that
stretch."
By the way, I did hang my gallon of water from a tree well away the trail .
. .
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>wrote:
>
> The bottom line lesson for folks to learn is this:
>
> NO CACHE IS 100% RELIABLE, NOT EVEN ONE YOU SET YOURSELF
>
>
> 1. It might be gone when you arrive; removed by the owner or simply stolen
> by a critter or by someone else (not necessarily another hiker). Community
> bear boxes are unlocked and open to anyone anytime.
>
> 2. It might be empty when you arrive; other folks beat you to it and/or it
> hasn't been refilled yet
>
>
> If you set your own caches,
>
> (1) label them appropriately: "supplies for (name) arriving about (date)"
> If
> you're feeling generous, you might add "Free to anyone after (date)"
>
> (2) package securely - bear canisters work best for anything with a smell;
> OP sacks are 2nd best. Tie gallon water jugs together and/or to something
> immovable.
>
> (3) position securely - bury or hang well away from the trail. Mark the
> location on your map or record GPS coordinates. It's wasted effort if you
> can't find it again.
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:25:34 -0700
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit?
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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This summer I'm doing a section hike from Echo Lake (mile 1094.5) to Bucks
Summit (mile 1269.5). Are there any permits required in that section that
are more than just self-service "fill out a card at the trailhead"?
Eric
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:28:55 -0700
From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks
Summit?
To: "'Eric Lee'" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You need a permit for the Desolation Wilderness area just north of Echo
Lake. They are not the type that you just fill-out at the trailhead.
I-Beam
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Subject: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit?
This summer I'm doing a section hike from Echo Lake (mile 1094.5) to Bucks
Summit (mile 1269.5). Are there any permits required in that section that
are more than just self-service "fill out a card at the trailhead"?
Eric
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:39:37 -0700
From: Mark Halverstadt <markhalverstadt at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Ray Day and Leaving Kennedy Meadows
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Hi PCT-L,
Given our below average snow fall this year, what is your planned date to
leave Kennedy Meadows? Past thru hikers please feel free to chime in with
your post/pre-Ray Day date departures and experiences with snow.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:45:17 -0700
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ray Day and Leaving Kennedy Meadows
To: Mark Halverstadt <markhalverstadt at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Posted earlier:
http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2013-March/066923.html
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Mark Halverstadt <markhalverstadt at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi PCT-L,
> Given our below average snow fall this year, what is your planned date to
> leave Kennedy Meadows? Past thru hikers please feel free to chime in with
> your post/pre-Ray Day date departures and experiences with snow.
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:16:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: tmjgame at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
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Important topic.?? I have found a great repellant at the local Army surplus.? It
s cream in a standard military green tube.? small enough to fit anywhere.? One
application and your good for the day.? Whereas Cutter must be reapplied.? The
surplus repellant has the highest DEET content, but it works.? Note: The Centra
Oregon lakes are notorious for squitos in July and August.? Drive a tent if you
want a restful, bug free nite.? TJ
walk-On!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
To: "Brett Kenney" <tribalattorney at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:14:15 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
Hi Brett,
Welcome to the PCT. Mosquitoes and ticks are unavoidable on certain parts and at
certain times on the PCT.? I too, especially hate - hate - hate them. Early in
2008, before starting my PCT ride, I bought insect/tick repellant cloths at
REI.? At the time of purchase I didn't know how well they would work. When I
started from the Mexican border I had a complete set of ExOfficio cloths (the
active repellant is permethrin) plus, of course, Deet. The clothing that I
bought, starting from my feet and going to the top of my head, was:??? The
socks, pants, shirt, and the Cape hat. They were very effective in repelling
insects and ticks. Mosquitoes would hover around and if they landed on my cloths
they would fly away immediately. They would never sting through. To protect
exposed skin I used the Deet - on the back of my hands, on my forehead, and on
my cheeks - and a little on my beard. This worked for me - mosquitoes were not a
problem. I also had along a
?net but hardly used it. Between Canada and Mexico I talked to and watched many
hikers who were pretty miserable, especially because of the vicious mosquitoes.?
Ticks will also be a problem, especially in parts of Southern California, the
worst was probably Section E, but also Sections B, C, and D. I never had a tick
bite. The Deet was useful in trying to protect my horse. It takes a lot of Deet
for a horse. And with a horse, I had to seek out meadow areas where there would
be grass. And mosquitoes were often there too.?
Here's something else to consider.? Bring a two-part tent - the inner part being
insect netting - excellent ventilation and you can see out - you can star-gaze
and enjoy views of the forest. In my case, my horse and I could see each other.
The outer shell is the rain fly. I rarely used the rain-fly - only if was, or
was likely to rain, or on the few sites were I wanted privacy.? By preference, I
almost always camped alone with my horse. Tents that combine the two will
compromise ventilation and you will sometimes have condensation.
You can also purchase them through the web. Just search for:?? ExOfficio insect
repellant clothing.???????? I don't know if spraying the permethrin on would be
as effective as when it is part of the fabric.
Have a great hike,
MendoRider-Hiker
________________________________
?From: Brett Kenney <tribalattorney at gmail.com>
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Mosquitos
?
I hate, hate, hate mosquitos.? How do you deal with them on the trail?
DEET?? Mesh head cover?
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:00:57 -0700
From: MARY E DAVISON <pastormaryd at msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Older hikers
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Older hikers devise ways to do the trail that are sometimes different than the
norm thru hiker. I did border to Morena in two days in2008 shortly after
recovering from a knee infection. But I arranged for someone to bring me water
half way through. Know your limitations and your needs and then figure out how
to meet them.
Medicare Pastor
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:26:58 -0600
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On 3/29/2013 1:27 PM, Ron Graybill wrote:
> And even the post that said "Anyone who can't make it from Campo to
> Lake Morena without a cache has no business hiking the PCT," only
> needs to be modified a bit to win universal consent: "Anyone who
> can't carry enough water to hike a 20 mile stretch on the PCT where
> no reliable water source is available shouldn't be hiking that
> stretch."
We can go with your wording. Works for me.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:49:39 -0700
From: Garrett Cotham <garrett at garrettcotham.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Mary "Daredevil" Owen, PCT thru-hiker class of 2010
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Hiker-23-likely-missing-on-Mount-Hood/NNtXAG7KmUCs-0QQERfGgQ.cspx
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:23:37 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Garrett Cotham
<garrett at garrettcotham.com> wrote:
> Mary "Daredevil" Owen, PCT thru-hiker class of 2010
> http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Hiker-23-likely-missing-on-Mount-Hood/NNtXAG7KmUCs-0QQERfGgQ.cspx
'Her backpack was in the SUV"
not a good sign.
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:31:57 -0700
From: Dan <dch716 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mac and cheese
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Hi everyone,
I'd be grateful to hear how past hikers prepared their store bought mag n cheese
while on the trail:)
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:53:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: surferskir at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: rgraybill44 at gmail.com, sbryce at scottbryce.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Way to go Gray..!
Us in our late 60s, early 70s may not hike fast, but we do hike smarter.
Of course we have the time, and aren't racing to Canada.
--Dennis--
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From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
To: sbryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
Several have also written me individually and others have responded to the
whole list raising questions about the advisability of placing a water
cache at Hauser Creek. The problems are 1) Border Patrol emptying or
slashing the bottles; 2) illegals taking the water meant for PCT hikers;
and 3) creating an expectation that water will be there when we can't
guarantee a continuous resource.
However, I want to question one objection: whether a person is not worthy
to be on the PCT if they can't make it from Campo to Lake Morena carrying
all the water they need. Not everyone who hikes legally on the PCT is a
thru-hiker, not everyone is young and fit. Being nearly 70 years of age,
and not doing a lot of hiking recently, I took two days to hike that
distance. I drove in to Hauser Creek ahead of time, cached a gallon of
water, and found it undisturbed by any human or animal when I got there on
the second day. Thus I was able to carry less weight for the first 15
miles. But it's not a big deal, of course. I could have made it on to
Lake Morena with only a little suffering if the water hadn't been there.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:56 PM, <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:
> > I think I may have recruited a potential "trail angel" who can stock a
> > water cache at Hauser Creek, Mile 15.3 of the PCT. (A spot that often
> > lacks water, especially this year with so little rain.)
>
>
> I really don't think a cache at Hauser creek is a good idea.
>
> 1) Anyone who can't make if from Campo to Lake Marena without a cache has
> no business hiking the PCT.
>
> 2) A cache at Hauser creek is almost as likely to be used by illegals as
> hikers.
>
> 3) Caching water is like feeding bears. Too many hikers will learn to rely
> on it. If it isn't kept sufficiently stocked, you will have hikers
> arriving at the cache expecting to find water, but not finding any. These
> hikers should be carrying enough to get them through to Lake Morena.
>
> 4) Hauser creek is usually dry during the through hiker season. Hikers
> should have already planned on not finding water there, unless the water
> report indicates that Hauser creek is still flowing.
>
> Unless your friend knows for a fact that he can keep sufficient water
> there during the through hiker season (mid April to mid May), the cache
> will create a situation where hikers expecting to find water there will
> come up short. Otherwise, the cache would not be needed.
>
> Water in chaches is typically left in gallon jugs tied together so that
> they will not blow away when they are empty. Your friend should also be
> prepared to remove any additional trash left by hikers.
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:49:56 -0700
From: Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
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Hope it was her spare backpack.
Diarmaid "Irish" Harmon
irishharmon at comcast.net
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a
pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used
up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the other, yell 'Holy Sh**,
What a Ride!"
On Mar 29, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Garrett Cotham
> <garrett at garrettcotham.com> wrote:
>> Mary "Daredevil" Owen, PCT thru-hiker class of 2010
>> http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Hiker-23-likely-missing-on-Mount-Hood/NNtXAG7KmUCs-0QQERfGgQ.cspx
>
> 'Her backpack was in the SUV"
>
> not a good sign.
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:34:18 -0700
From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I don't like the feel of deet on my skin - here is what I do.
Wear long sleeves/pants. Treat clothes. Spray clothes with deet when the
mossies get bad. Wear a headnet when needed.
Also I found in some areas if you are camping and want to sit out you can
just sit still and slowly kill every mossie that lands on you - after a
while (~10 min) they become few and far between. Granted for that first 10
minutes you need your full focus to be on killing them.
In extremely bad areas I don't think this method would work as they can
land in hoards.
Day-Late
>
> I hate, hate, hate mosquitos. How do you deal with them on the trail?
> DEET? Mesh head cover?
>
>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:20:49 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>wrote:
> I don't like the feel of deet on my skin.
>
I don't either. I use picaridin.
http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/chem_search/reg_actions/registration/fs_PC-070705_01-May-05.pdf
https://www.google.com/search?q=picaridin
Non greasy/oily feeling, won't harm plastics, practically non-toxic
according to the EPA.
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
--
"Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:13:52 -0700
From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks
Summit?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Like someone else mentioned, you need one for Desolation Wilderness. You
can get that here by reservation:
http://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchResults.do?topTabIndex=Search
They are very picky about permits in Desolation Wilderness. I packed
that area 3 times last year and was asked MANY times to see my permit!
On 3/29/13 1:25 PM, Eric Lee wrote:
> This summer I'm doing a section hike from Echo Lake (mile 1094.5) to Bucks
> Summit (mile 1269.5). Are there any permits required in that section that
> are more than just self-service "fill out a card at the trailhead"?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:16:49 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks
Summit?
To: <kathi at pctwalker.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Desolation Valley is a neat place. I lived in Sacramento in the 60s and it
was our go to place for hiking and camping. Really neat. We'd usually get
a water taxi ride across the lake to the north end and start out from there.
Unless it was the middle of winter, then we'd just snowshoe across the lake.
Good times!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kathi
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:13 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks Summit?
Like someone else mentioned, you need one for Desolation Wilderness. You
can get that here by reservation:
http://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchResults.do?topTabIndex=Search
They are very picky about permits in Desolation Wilderness. I packed
that area 3 times last year and was asked MANY times to see my permit!
On 3/29/13 1:25 PM, Eric Lee wrote:
> This summer I'm doing a section hike from Echo Lake (mile 1094.5) to Bucks
> Summit (mile 1269.5). Are there any permits required in that section that
> are more than just self-service "fill out a card at the trailhead"?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:19:26 -0700
From: "Paul Mitchell" <paul at bluebrain.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anyone want to be more terrified of rattlesnakes?
To: "'Paint Your Wagon'" <n801yz at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I literally came within inches, sometimes within one to two feet, of stepping
on these masters of disguise.
In 2010 I had one on my bare foot north of Deep Creek. It travelling across the
trail, out of the grass just as our paths crossed, I felt it slither across my
foot sandal-clad bare foot.
- Potential 178
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:19:41 -0700
From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permits required between Echo Lake and Bucks
Summit?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Oops, sorry, this is a better link:
*http://tinyurl.com/bmyjr52
*
On 3/29/13 8:13 PM, Kathi wrote:
> Like someone else mentioned, you need one for Desolation Wilderness. You
> can get that here by reservation:
> http://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchResults.do?topTabIndex=Search
> They are very picky about permits in Desolation Wilderness. I packed
> that area 3 times last year and was asked MANY times to see my permit!
>
> On 3/29/13 1:25 PM, Eric Lee wrote:
>> This summer I'm doing a section hike from Echo Lake (mile 1094.5) to Bucks
>> Summit (mile 1269.5). Are there any permits required in that section that
>> are more than just self-service "fill out a card at the trailhead"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Message: 32
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:32:44 -0700
From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59?
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Does the PCT come near or cross the Sunrise Highway near Mile 59--near
where the La Cima Conservation Camp is located? I want to end a section
hike there if possible--and begin another one on another day. I can't quite
tell from Half-mile's line on Google Earth. It looks very near, but for
all I know one is hiking along a steep hillside there.
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Message: 33
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:24:15 -0700
From: Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mosquitos
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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"What's the spray for jerks called?"
Its made by a company that also produces bug repellant. It's called: "F-OFF"
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 34
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:42:49 -0700
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mac and cheese
To: Dan <dch716 at gmail.com>
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Hey Dan,
I would bring a pot of water to the boil and add the mac n cheese, take it
off the heat, put it all in my pot cozy and let it steep while I pitched
camp. I got so that I could estimate how much water to put in the pot so
that it was just the right amount to be absorbed in the cooking and I
didn't have to drain any of it. When camp was pitched I'd add some
powdered Nido and the cheese pack and olive oil and lay down in bed and
eat. The pot cozy saved me a lot of fuel and the steeping produced great
results with the pasta.
Water is precious out there whether you're in the desert or the forest.
Either you're hunting for it or carrying it, or you've filtered it or
boiled it. I wanted all of my cooking water inside me by the end of dinner
thus, no draining of the pasta. I also drank any water used to clean the
pot. It's a delicious, cheesy, milky after dinner tea. By the second half
of the trail, when the hiker hunger really hit, I was eating most of two
boxes per dinner. The cold, gelatinous, cheesy clump that was left was
first course for breakfast. Man did I like my junk food on the PCT!
Have fun out there!
Shroomer
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Dan <dch716 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd be grateful to hear how past hikers prepared their store bought mag n
> cheese while on the trail:)
>
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Message: 35
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathryn Thompson <katzenjammer12 at yahoo.ca>
Subject: [pct-l] spikes/axe
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Hi all,
Nearing the end of my to-do list now....
I'm wondering about microspikes and ice axe - in particular for Fuller Ridge
area and of course the Sierra (and any parts further north that could be a
concern?).
Assuming for the moment that this low snow year continues its trend, should I
take the spikes or the axe, or both, or neither?? Currently I use two trekking
poles and wear Brooks trail runners.? I've had some experience with suncups,
postholing and crossing low-angle slopes - my most challenging was a 50 meter
traverse across a 45 degree slope with a (potential) hundred meter slide to a
rocky landing.? Didn't even use trekking poles at that time, and nearly had to
change my underwear afterwards, but every challenge makes you stronger I guess!?
Advice much appreciated from previous thru-hikers and locals in the area, and
also keen to hear what this year's hikers are planning.
Cheers from NZ, and thanks for all the great feedback!
Kat
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Message: 36
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thatcher Koch <ironlegs at pacbell.net>
Subject: [pct-l] old svea
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i would like to thank all who responded to my query about the svea stove.
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Message: 37
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:45:00 -0400
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How do water caches work?
To: "Nikki Eddy" <nikkieddy at yahoo.com>
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> I absolutely agree...I thought it was arrogant to say that people who
> don't carry 7 liters or whatever don't belong.
It isn't arrogance. It is practicality and personal safety. If you are not
capable of taking care of yourself out on the trail, It is better not to
endanger yourself and others by attempting to do it anyway. If you cannot
provide for yourself, do other people have a responsibility to provide for
you?
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Message: 38
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:49:14 -0700
From: Jim Wilson <wilson_net at att.net>
Subject: [pct-l] ? Recommendations & Information
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I would appreciate any recommendations, please.
I would like to pack lighter. Any recommendations (and sources) for lighter
packs that work well?
And, or any places on the web to learn more about hiking with lighter gear?
Thank you.
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Message: 39
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:53:50 -0400
From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Self sufficiency
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I hiked the PCT in 1980. This was before the phenomenon known today as Trail
Angels. While I did run across a lot of friendy locals, they were random and
spontaneous encounters. Folks in Wrightwood, Belden Town, and Ashland were
especially hospitable.
Water was a constant source of concern so I carried a lot. Having started out in
March, weather was another concern so I carried a 2-person tent (Jansport Wedge)
and my 2 partners shared a 4-person tent (Jansport Dome.) When we later parted
ways, I had no qualms about hiking solo. I also had no problems hooking up with
other hikers for periods of time.
My guiding principal: carry whatever I would need to survive alone in the
wilderness.
I didn't skimp on food. My drop boxes, packed by my family and mailed to the
prescribed destinations by the prescribed schedule, included Tang, instant
oatmeal, re-packaged Ramen noodles, tubes of peanut butter, tubes of honey, bags
of dried fruit, and bags of jerky. I carried my own stove and a cannister of
white gas. A nice hot meal at the end of a day was my guilty pleasure. I don't
ever recall being hungry on the trail but there were occasions when I had to
ration my food as I calculated the distance to the next resupply point.
By today's standards, I would be categorized as a Heavy Trucker.
My advice to the Class of 2013:
Hike Your Own Hike
Prepare for the unexpected
Take nothing but pictures
Leave nothing but shoe prints
Stop and smell the roses (or cactus blossoms or pine needles)
Enjoy the unbelievable experience
Be proud of what you have accomplished
Ernie Castillo
PCT Class of 1980
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Message: 40
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:26:21 +0000
From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood
To: "Garrett Cotham" <garrett at garrettcotham.com>,
pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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I hope they find her!
from what I've seen the issue is (mostly) people don't say when they are
leaving/when to report missing, and who they go with.
Really hope she is okay!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Subject: [pct-l] PCT hiker missing on Mt Hood
Mary "Daredevil" Owen, PCT thru-hiker class of 2010
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Message: 41
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:23:48 -0700
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ? Recommendations & Information
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Good morning, Jim,
A sage comment attributed to Yogi is, ?We pack for our fears.? Since
broader experience and increased competence leads to fewer and lesser
fears, I say the gear list isn?t the first places to look when reducing
weight. I think one should first get comfortable with the process of
maximizing hiking time and minimizing ?camping? time before finalizing a
gear list.
A net search will bring enough information to guide most people to good
decisions, provided one understands that much of the resulting information
will have been provided, supported, encouraged, and possibly subsidized by
marketers whose primary objective is to sell lots of ? whatever.
I?m a more-or-less typical ultra-lite hiker with an approximate 8-pound
base weight, the contents of which is described and discussed beginning at:
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/ and continuing for the next 20 or
so pages.
Enjoy your planning,
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Jim Wilson <wilson_net at att.net> wrote:
> I would appreciate any recommendations, please.
> I would like to pack lighter. Any recommendations (and sources) for
> lighter packs that work well?
> And, or any places on the web to learn more about hiking with lighter gear?
> Thank you.
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Message: 42
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:34:29 -0500
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59?
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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'
At Halfmile's mile 59.5, the PCT intersects a side trail. The side trail
leads 0.25 mile over to Sunrise Highway. There is a parking lot and privy
at the highway.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Does the PCT come near or cross the Sunrise Highway near Mile 59--near
> where the La Cima Conservation Camp is located? I want to end a section
> hike there if possible--and begin another one on another day. I can't quite
> tell from Half-mile's line on Google Earth. It looks very near, but for
> all I know one is hiking along a steep hillside there.
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Message: 43
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:04:33 -0700
From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59?
To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Thanks for the helpful and polite answers to what I now see was a rather
naive question--If I had only look up the trail a little further even on
Google Earth I would have seen the Sunrise trailhead and access to the
highway. Plus, I have the topo maps on my computer and the answer to my
question is clear there too. I did get one answer that wasn't particularly
polite, but that only came to me and not to the whole list, thus I was
spared a bit of embarrassment.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>wrote:
> '
> At Halfmile's mile 59.5, the PCT intersects a side trail. The side trail
> leads 0.25 mile over to Sunrise Highway. There is a parking lot and privy
> at the highway.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Does the PCT come near or cross the Sunrise Highway near Mile 59--near
> > where the La Cima Conservation Camp is located? I want to end a section
> > hike there if possible--and begin another one on another day. I can't
> quite
> > tell from Half-mile's line on Google Earth. It looks very near, but for
> > all I know one is hiking along a steep hillside there.
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Message: 44
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:12:06 -0500
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59?
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Ron - Keep asking questions. That's what the list is for. I imagine there
are many other people with the same questions.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the helpful and polite answers to what I now see was a rather
> naive question--If I had only look up the trail a little further even on
> Google Earth I would have seen the Sunrise trailhead and access to the
> highway. Plus, I have the topo maps on my computer and the answer to my
> question is clear there too. I did get one answer that wasn't particularly
> polite, but that only came to me and not to the whole list, thus I was
> spared a bit of embarrassment.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> '
>> At Halfmile's mile 59.5, the PCT intersects a side trail. The side trail
>> leads 0.25 mile over to Sunrise Highway. There is a parking lot and privy
>> at the highway.
>>
>> Yogi
>> www.pcthandbook.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Does the PCT come near or cross the Sunrise Highway near Mile 59--near
>> > where the La Cima Conservation Camp is located? I want to end a section
>> > hike there if possible--and begin another one on another day. I can't
>> quite
>> > tell from Half-mile's line on Google Earth. It looks very near, but for
>> > all I know one is hiking along a steep hillside there.
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Message: 45
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59? / WATER
To: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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I camped at Sunrise with my horse three nights after the Kickoff. There were
corrals. There was also a windmill a few hundred feet to the west. It pumped
water into a watering trough. The water coming out of the pipe was good- and
safe.? Does anyone know if that is still the case?? If so, it would be a good
near-trail water source for the hikers.
MendoRider-hiker
________________________________
From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drop-off/Pick up point near Mile 59?
Thanks for the helpful and polite answers to what I now see was a rather
naive question--If I had only look up the trail a little further even on
Google Earth I would have seen the Sunrise trailhead and access to the
highway.? Plus, I have the topo maps on my computer and the answer to my
question is clear there too.? I did get one answer that wasn't particularly
polite, but that only came to me and not to the whole list, thus I was
spared a bit of embarrassment.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>wrote:
> '
> At Halfmile's mile 59.5, the PCT intersects a side trail.? The side trail
> leads 0.25 mile over to Sunrise Highway.? There is a parking lot and privy
> at the highway.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Does the PCT come near or cross the Sunrise Highway near Mile 59--near
> > where the La Cima Conservation Camp is located? I want to end a section
> > hike there if possible--and begin another one on another day. I can't
> quite
> > tell from Half-mile's line on Google Earth.? It looks very near, but for
> > all I know one is hiking along a steep hillside there.
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