[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 18
Geyer, Daniel G
Daniel.G.Geyer at boeing.com
Thu Oct 17 15:37:58 CDT 2013
dummy me, I should have just read your post better. sorry
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Today's Topics:
1. Raven Song's email (Tracy Fisher)
2. Raven Song's email (Nick Thelen)
3. Re: 2013 PCT Hiker Register - Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26, Oregon
(Walt Mayberry)
4. Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be changed?
(Rob Langsdorf)
5. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed? (Dan Jacobs)
6. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed? (Jackie McDonnell)
7. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed? (Andrea Dinsmore)
8. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed? (Bob Bankhead)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:08:27 +0000
From: Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Raven Song's email
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Does anyone have Raven Song's, the trail angel in N. Cascades, email?
Tracy Fisher (aka Running Commentary)
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Raven Song's email
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Pretty sure this is it....I'm a decent data miner ;)
kitravensong at hotmail.com
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:59:00 -0700
From: Walt Mayberry <wmayberry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 PCT Hiker Register - Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26,
Oregon
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Updates from the Oregon Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26 trail register are posted at
the link below - 218x confirmed Thru 207x NOBO, 5x SOBO, 6x FF), 114x
Section and 279x day/short leg/unknown hikers this year. This is a 21%
increase (vs 180) in thru hikers passing by this point compared to last
year.
The register was taken in for the year at 7 pm on Oct 1. Though it is very
nice in the Cascades now, the fall rains started early in Oregon and there
is now snow in Washington. It has been about a week since the last thru
hiker. This will be the last update for the season.
Walt
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Walt Mayberry <wmayberry at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have placed a trail register at Wapinitia Pass, OR. It is in a box on a
> post just to the west of the Hwy 26 crossing near mile 2108 (Postholer map)
> / 2097 (Halfmile map) and about 10 mi south of Timberline Lodge. Please
> leave a note to share with others as you pass.
>
> I will occasionally post register updates on the Postholder PCT forum at:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2494
>
> The register was placed on July 9. As of Aug 8 @ 12:00 pm - 25x Thru (16x
> NOBO, 4x SOBO, 5x FF), 51x Section and 57 day/short leg/unknown hikers.
> Compared to 2012, this is a 19% increase in Thru hikers and 65% increase in
> Section hikers.
>
> Wapanitia Pass trail registers for 2010 and 2011 can be viewed here:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1357
>
> Wapanitia Pass trail registers for 2012 can be viewed here:
> http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2277
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed?
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Hi All,
?
??? I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
?
??? One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards the Canadian border."
?
??? He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due to heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by the snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to hike to Canada.
?
??? What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do the hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had missed?
?
???? Mataguay Connector Rob
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:50:38 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
be changed?
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On Oct 16, 2013 6:08 PM, "Rob Langsdorf" <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the border?
Is PCT Days in CL intended for the current year through hikers, or as an
awareness and appreciation event, or???
If its main or co-reason for being is to serve the current hikers, than
moving it a fair piece earlier may be a good idea to motivate folks father
north earlier, but never underestimate the hiker overestimating their
abilities or underestimating the ease of the trail in Washington. I think
that is the real problem.
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:03:46 -0500
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
be changed?
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The person who organizes PCT Days is Nabor J. He asked me to post the
following email to the list.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
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"PCT DAYS is not the Kick Off, which is an event geared toward
through-hikers. This has been a point of confusion for some people. PCT
DAYS is a gathering of the outdoor recreation community and the businesses
that support it. The date of PCT DAYS should have no bearing on when and
where people are on the trail. Whether or not they choose to attend the
event, people need to consider that adverse conditions can begin anytime
after September 1st in the Cascade Range and be prepared for their own
accountability."
Jason Waicunas, Outdoor Viewfinder
Photography Instructor & Oregon Registered Guide
oviewfinder at gmail.com
503.705.6769
http://oviewfinder.com/
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
>
> One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards
> the Canadian border."
>
> He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due to
> heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by the
> snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to
> hike to Canada.
>
> What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this
> encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do the
> hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had
> missed?
>
> Mataguay Connector Rob
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:49:30 -0700
From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
be changed?
To: Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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PCT Days is one week into September. Then 2 more weeks to Stevens....then
2 more weeks, depending if there's a big snow dump, to the Canadian border.
That puts you at the border in October. Unless you hang at Snoqualmie or
Stevens or Stehekin. All you guys that say that any time in October is just
fine......not on a high snow year. Timing is a personal preference. I
pissed off a lot of hikers this year trying to explain and prepare them for
the hassles they were walking into. If you have a timing issue for whatever
reason or don't care to buy extra winter gear then I would suggest be here
a little sooner. The nice weather timing of 5-6 days from Stevens to
Stehekin is very different when you are in 3' of snow. Same with Stehekin
to the border. It's up to you. I would be reading the journals for the late
hikers from this year. What they did was rough and logistics was a pain in
the rear. Between our place and the Cascadia Inn up in Skykomish, we had
130 hikers by September 1st. Thrus and section hikers. Our total count for
the year was 388. Cascadia total count was 60. We both are up 15-20 % each
year.
PCT MOM
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
>
> One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards
> the Canadian border."
>
> He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due to
> heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by the
> snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to
> hike to Canada.
>
> What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this
> encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do the
> hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had
> missed?
>
> Mataguay Connector Rob
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:40:29 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
be changed?
To: "PCT List Forum" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I suspect a major source of confusion is the PCTA's active sponsorship and
promotion of the PCT Days event. It makes it all SOUND like an official
organized trail event - THE place to be at that point in time to commune
with fellow thrus. This is especially significant as Cascade Locks is right
on-trail, and a popular and convenient lay-over/entry/exit point. Add to
that the fact that it gets more widely discussed/promoted each year on
various forums by the attendees.
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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Jackie McDonnell
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
changed?
The person who organizes PCT Days is Nabor J. He asked me to post the
following email to the list.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
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"PCT DAYS is not the Kick Off, which is an event geared toward
through-hikers. This has been a point of confusion for some people. PCT
DAYS is a gathering of the outdoor recreation community and the businesses
that support it. The date of PCT DAYS should have no bearing on when and
where people are on the trail. Whether or not they choose to attend the
event, people need to consider that adverse conditions can begin anytime
after September 1st in the Cascade Range and be prepared for their own
accountability."
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