[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17
ronnie mitchell
mitchellfarms at live.com
Wed Apr 16 15:40:22 CDT 2014
Mayor Trevor I am riding the pct on mule and horse back. I hope I have the opportunity to meet these guys on the trail. I can't wait. It will be a blast if you know what I mean.
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Today's Topics:
1. Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Trevor McKee)
2. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Daniel Zellman)
3. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Jennifer Zimmerman)
4. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Luce Cruz)
5. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Carol)
6. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Brick Robbins)
7. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Trevor McKee)
8. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Jackie McDonnell)
9. Whitewater Closure Question (Stephen Clark)
10. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Luis Velasco)
11. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Ryan Allouche)
12. at & t mobile cards (Adrian Santos)
13. Re: at & t mobile cards (Jeffrey Olson)
14. at & t mobile cards? (Adrian Santos)
15. Re: at & t mobile cards (be hope)
16. Re: at & t mobile cards (Brick Robbins)
17. Re: at & t mobile cards? (Al Werner)
18. Re: at & t mobile cards? (Brick Robbins)
19. Mailing regional flat rate to Kennedy Meadows (D J)
20. Re: Mailing regional flat rate to Kennedy Meadows
(Jackie McDonnell)
21. Shroomer & Dusty (Jim & Jane Moody)
22. Re: Shroomer & Dusty (ned at mountaineducation.org)
23. Re: Tuna Helper's PCT Speed Attempt 2014 (Ryan Weidert)
(gary_schenk at verizon.net)
24. Re: Tuna Helper's PCT Speed Attempt 2014 (Ryan Weidert)
(Andrea Dinsmore)
25. Re: Whitewater Closure Question (Rick)
26. New Stevens Pass resupply (Andrea Dinsmore)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:53:55 -0700
From: Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the sink. There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the Community Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their mess. They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly it bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space could directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close the bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I asked them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said there wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and I left.
After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired sink boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them we were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them out but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community space. By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to watch out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/ physical and verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone who thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but they need to hear it.
I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry about hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and dangerous for "people like me."
Thanks for listening,
Mayor Trevor
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:19:12 -0400
From: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>
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That's a sad and at the same time inspiring story.
Sad that the world is full of aggressive, angry idiots -- not just on the
trail, but anywhere. Of course, the more popular and crowded the trail
becomes, the more the personalities will reflect the larger society.
Hopefully, there is some small karmic action that moves in the other
direction as well ... that the ideas and ideals of tolerance and presence
and compassion embodied in the works of folks like John Muir and Henry
Thoreau, are instilled and nurtured and strengthened by being in the
wilderness, and that some of that returns with us from the trail back into
the world. One can only hope, I guess.
Inspiring, because of your courageous and honorable behavior. Doing the
right thing -- especially when doing so puts one at physical or psychic
risk -- is often not an easy choice. Much easier to just turn one's back
and walk away. But if we all just turn away, when there are real
consequences, then we are failing in our responsibility -- not only to one
another, but equally, to ourselves.
So, I say ...
Three Cheers for Trevor!
-dz
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed
> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the sink.
> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet
> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>
> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the Community
> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their mess.
> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice
> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly it
> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space could
> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close the
> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>
> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I asked
> them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said there
> wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that
> wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and I
> left.
>
> After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the
> restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired sink
> boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them we
> were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them out
> but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community space.
> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind
> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised
> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and
> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>
> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light
> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they
> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy
> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to
> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
>
> You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the
> right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to watch
> out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/ physical and
> verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone who
> thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said
> holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but
> they need to hear it.
>
> I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry about
> hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and dangerous
> for "people like me."
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Mayor Trevor
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:27:18 -0500
From: Jennifer Zimmerman <jenniferlzim at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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That sucks. Plain and simple. Thank you for speaking up! The community
center in Warner Springs was an oasis and I'm also worried that, because of
disrespectful behavior like this, they will decide it's not worth it after
a few years and become another footnote in Yogi's guide and Halfmile's maps
- places that "used to" host hikers.
I was lucky enough not to encounter anything this rotten last summer, and
certainly was never threatened with bodily harm, but I remember how
frustrating and depressing it was to come across PCT graffiti in Chester -
written on a stall in the bathroom in the wonderful grocery store there:
"PCT Love, thx Chester for your hospitality" signed P.L.V.R.
Unfortunately, this hiker felt such enormous gratitude that she decided to
write in permanent marker so I couldn't wash it off. This is the kind of
thing that I hike to get away from.
Again, thanks for your courage. I'm sorry that it resulted in such a macho
and aggressive response. I hope your hike from here on only goes up (in
spirits, not elevation!)
JZ
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed
> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the sink.
> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet
> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>
> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the Community
> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their mess.
> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice
> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly it
> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space could
> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close the
> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>
> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I asked
> them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said there
> wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that
> wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and I
> left.
>
> After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the
> restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired sink
> boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them we
> were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them out
> but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community space.
> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind
> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised
> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and
> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>
> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light
> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they
> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy
> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to
> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
>
> You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the
> right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to watch
> out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/ physical and
> verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone who
> thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said
> holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but
> they need to hear it.
>
> I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry about
> hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and dangerous
> for "people like me."
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Mayor Trevor
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:27:56 -0700
From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind
> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised
> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and
> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>
> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light
> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they
> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy
> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to
> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I am anti-prohibition, and 197.3% pro-truth.
But, dude, the marijuana advocates told me that pot smokers were mellow and
non-violent! These couldn't have been marijuana smokers, no siree, they
would have been chill and offered to share with you, because, well, isn't
that what we have been told? Dude, that's harsh!
I've had trouble with every kind of person in society except a buddhist
monk. I'm still waiting for that to happen. Never can tell. Still gotta
live in the real world, ya know.
--
Luce Cruz
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:35:14 -0500
From: Carol <museumgirl at me.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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As a future PCT hiker, I say, THANK YOU, Trevor, for watching out for all of us. You did exactly as you should have done. I hope word gets around and those guys realize that their behavior is unacceptable. Freedom does not mean license.
Carol
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> On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's a sad and at the same time inspiring story.
>
> Sad that the world is full of aggressive, angry idiots -- not just on the
> trail, but anywhere. Of course, the more popular and crowded the trail
> becomes, the more the personalities will reflect the larger society.
> Hopefully, there is some small karmic action that moves in the other
> direction as well ... that the ideas and ideals of tolerance and presence
> and compassion embodied in the works of folks like John Muir and Henry
> Thoreau, are instilled and nurtured and strengthened by being in the
> wilderness, and that some of that returns with us from the trail back into
> the world. One can only hope, I guess.
>
> Inspiring, because of your courageous and honorable behavior. Doing the
> right thing -- especially when doing so puts one at physical or psychic
> risk -- is often not an easy choice. Much easier to just turn one's back
> and walk away. But if we all just turn away, when there are real
> consequences, then we are failing in our responsibility -- not only to one
> another, but equally, to ourselves.
>
> So, I say ...
>
> Three Cheers for Trevor!
>
> -dz
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
>> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed
>> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the sink.
>> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet
>> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>>
>> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the Community
>> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their mess.
>> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice
>> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly it
>> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space could
>> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close the
>> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>>
>> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I asked
>> them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said there
>> wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that
>> wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and I
>> left.
>>
>> After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the
>> restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired sink
>> boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them we
>> were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them out
>> but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community space.
>> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
>> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind
>> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
>> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised
>> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and
>> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>>
>> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
>> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
>> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light
>> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
>> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they
>> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy
>> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to
>> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
>>
>> You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the
>> right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to watch
>> out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/ physical and
>> verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone who
>> thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said
>> holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but
>> they need to hear it.
>>
>> I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry about
>> hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and dangerous
>> for "people like me."
>>
>>
>> Thanks for listening,
>>
>> Mayor Trevor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:59:59 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. <
Unfortunately, In my experience, about 10% of any group of people from
the general population are a**holes.
I also think the trail weeds out the a**holes, but Warner Springs is
too early for the weeding to have happened yet.
Many are gone by Agua Dule, and bet almost none make it to Stehekin. :-)
Which is, I think, why I find I connect more with the trail veterans
at the Kick Off, than I do with the current class.
Anyway, I commend Trevor for making a stand. It sound like these guys
are little more than thugs. I hope they don't ruin the trail magic for
the folks behind them
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:15:23 -0700
From: Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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thank you everybody for your reassurance i did the right thing.
i've been trying to shake the experience since it happened and sitting on the summit of san jacinto and reading all this helps!
take care all!
mayor trevor
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. <
>
> Unfortunately, In my experience, about 10% of any group of people from
> the general population are a**holes.
>
> I also think the trail weeds out the a**holes, but Warner Springs is
> too early for the weeding to have happened yet.
>
> Many are gone by Agua Dule, and bet almost none make it to Stehekin. :-)
>
> Which is, I think, why I find I connect more with the trail veterans
> at the Kick Off, than I do with the current class.
>
> Anyway, I commend Trevor for making a stand. It sound like these guys
> are little more than thugs. I hope they don't ruin the trail magic for
> the folks behind them
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:22:35 -0500
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Don't ruin the summit of San Jacinto with this crap! Turn off your phone
and enjoy the day.
Yogi
www.yogisbooks.com
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> thank you everybody for your reassurance i did the right thing.
>
> i've been trying to shake the experience since it happened and sitting on
> the summit of san jacinto and reading all this helps!
>
> take care all!
>
> mayor trevor
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 15, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. <
> >
> > Unfortunately, In my experience, about 10% of any group of people from
> > the general population are a**holes.
> >
> > I also think the trail weeds out the a**holes, but Warner Springs is
> > too early for the weeding to have happened yet.
> >
> > Many are gone by Agua Dule, and bet almost none make it to Stehekin. :-)
> >
> > Which is, I think, why I find I connect more with the trail veterans
> > at the Kick Off, than I do with the current class.
> >
> > Anyway, I commend Trevor for making a stand. It sound like these guys
> > are little more than thugs. I hope they don't ruin the trail magic for
> > the folks behind them
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:20:58 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Whitewater Closure Question
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Just to clarify the question of the whitewater closure (and maybe it's been
posted but I just didn't get it), here's a quote from the Wildlands
Conservancy website:
*UPDATE 4/14/14: Whitewater Preserve is now open daily for visitation and
hiking access from 8 am to 5 pm. A closure is scheduled for Thursday, April
17th to complete final maintenance projects. After the 17th the preserve
will remain open.Thank you for your patience while work to steward the
preserve.*
Quackers
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:38:33 -0700
From: Luis Velasco <velascoluis at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Trevor
Just by posturing they had committed ?assault.? They were fortunate you
(Trevor) didn?t press charges.
Sometimes people need to be dealt with this way in order to grow up. Not
standing up to people who abuse the kindness of others on reinforces their
arrogance and allows the problem to continue.
- Luis V.
On 4/15/14, 12:35 PM, "Carol" <museumgirl at me.com> wrote:
>As a future PCT hiker, I say, THANK YOU, Trevor, for watching out for all
>of us. You did exactly as you should have done. I hope word gets around
>and those guys realize that their behavior is unacceptable. Freedom does
>not mean license.
>
>Carol
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>> That's a sad and at the same time inspiring story.
>>
>> Sad that the world is full of aggressive, angry idiots -- not just on
>>the
>> trail, but anywhere. Of course, the more popular and crowded the trail
>> becomes, the more the personalities will reflect the larger society.
>> Hopefully, there is some small karmic action that moves in the other
>> direction as well ... that the ideas and ideals of tolerance and
>>presence
>> and compassion embodied in the works of folks like John Muir and Henry
>> Thoreau, are instilled and nurtured and strengthened by being in the
>> wilderness, and that some of that returns with us from the trail back
>>into
>> the world. One can only hope, I guess.
>>
>> Inspiring, because of your courageous and honorable behavior. Doing the
>> right thing -- especially when doing so puts one at physical or psychic
>> risk -- is often not an easy choice. Much easier to just turn one's back
>> and walk away. But if we all just turn away, when there are real
>> consequences, then we are failing in our responsibility -- not only to
>>one
>> another, but equally, to ourselves.
>>
>> So, I say ...
>>
>> Three Cheers for Trevor!
>>
>> -dz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Trevor McKee
>><trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
>>> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed
>>> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the
>>>sink.
>>> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet
>>> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>>>
>>> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the
>>>Community
>>> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their
>>>mess.
>>> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice
>>> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly
>>>it
>>> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space
>>>could
>>> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close
>>>the
>>> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>>>
>>> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I
>>>asked
>>> them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said
>>>there
>>> wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that
>>> wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and
>>>I
>>> left.
>>>
>>> After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the
>>> restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired
>>>sink
>>> boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them
>>>we
>>> were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them
>>>out
>>> but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community
>>>space.
>>> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
>>> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man!
>>>Mind
>>> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
>>> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and
>>>raised
>>> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me
>>>and
>>> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>>>
>>> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
>>> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
>>> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid,
>>>light
>>> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
>>> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if
>>>they
>>> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle
>>>guy
>>> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were
>>>going to
>>> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
>>>
>>> You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the
>>> right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to
>>>watch
>>> out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/
>>>physical and
>>> verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone
>>>who
>>> thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said
>>> holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but
>>> they need to hear it.
>>>
>>> I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry
>>>about
>>> hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and
>>>dangerous
>>> for "people like me."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>
>>> Mayor Trevor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>>
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>> --Buddhist proverb
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 18:07:11 -0700
From: Ryan Allouche <ryanallouche at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
To: Carol <museumgirl at me.com>
Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Mayor Trevor hey man. You absolutely did the right thing and we are proud of you for standing up.
This is Rhino, we had just met near the top of San Jacinto just earlier today lol. I had the ula pack as well. I just completed my cactus to clouds to cactus hike. That was brutal!
Just wanted to give a shout out man.
Don't let that bother you anymore. It's going to be an awesome adventure. Maybe I'll see ya in a few months!
Take care,
Rhino
Sent from my iPhone by Ryan Allouche
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Carol <museumgirl at me.com> wrote:
>
> As a future PCT hiker, I say, THANK YOU, Trevor, for watching out for all of us. You did exactly as you should have done. I hope word gets around and those guys realize that their behavior is unacceptable. Freedom does not mean license.
>
> Carol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's a sad and at the same time inspiring story.
>>
>> Sad that the world is full of aggressive, angry idiots -- not just on the
>> trail, but anywhere. Of course, the more popular and crowded the trail
>> becomes, the more the personalities will reflect the larger society.
>> Hopefully, there is some small karmic action that moves in the other
>> direction as well ... that the ideas and ideals of tolerance and presence
>> and compassion embodied in the works of folks like John Muir and Henry
>> Thoreau, are instilled and nurtured and strengthened by being in the
>> wilderness, and that some of that returns with us from the trail back into
>> the world. One can only hope, I guess.
>>
>> Inspiring, because of your courageous and honorable behavior. Doing the
>> right thing -- especially when doing so puts one at physical or psychic
>> risk -- is often not an easy choice. Much easier to just turn one's back
>> and walk away. But if we all just turn away, when there are real
>> consequences, then we are failing in our responsibility -- not only to one
>> another, but equally, to ourselves.
>>
>> So, I say ...
>>
>> Three Cheers for Trevor!
>>
>> -dz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Trevor McKee <trevormckee85 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a section I
>>> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I headed
>>> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the sink.
>>> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and floors, wet
>>> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>>>
>>> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the Community
>>> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up their mess.
>>> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a nice
>>> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But mainly it
>>> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space could
>>> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to close the
>>> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>>>
>>> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up. I asked
>>> them if washing their hair in the sink was allowed here. They said there
>>> wasn't a sign saying they couldn't. I said they offered $8 showers that
>>> wouldn't make a mess and give hikers a bad rap. They laughed at me and I
>>> left.
>>>
>>> After getting a burger at the main building I headed back to use the
>>> restroom when half way through the parking lot one of the long haired sink
>>> boys came up behind me and said, "I don't appreciate you telling them we
>>> were washing our hair in the sink." I told him that I didn't rat them out
>>> but likewise I didn't appreciate them making a mess of a community space.
>>> By now we were back by the bathrooms where his long haired friends were
>>> sitting on the ground smoking a bowl. They gave me a lot of "HYOH man! Mind
>>> your own fucking business." I tried to explain that it's all of our
>>> business when it affects us all. There was a lot of interrupting and raised
>>> voices and before you knew it they were all standing up surrounding me and
>>> getting in my face like they were going to fight me.
>>>
>>> One of them, a late 20's w/ long brown hair and glasses and goes by
>>> Turtle said he carries Mace for people like me... Really? The other bad
>>> one, the instigator, again in his mid/late 20's with a long braid, light
>>> blue eyes, dark blue truckers hat, red pack, and accent, told me they
>>> didn't need Mace (implying they were going to beat me up). I asked if they
>>> were threatening me and I asked what their names were. Only the Turtle guy
>>> gave it up. As this went on and they kept posturing like they were going to
>>> kick my ass a lady walked out of the women's room and broke it up.
>>>
>>> You guys, this was the low of my hike so far. I thought I was doing the
>>> right thing by speaking up, directly to the problem. I was trying to watch
>>> out for the Community Center and upcoming hikers. Being met w/ physical and
>>> verbal aggressiveness sucked. I talked to my buddy Scott on the phone who
>>> thru hiked in 2012 and asked if I was out of line. He said No. He said
>>> holding people accountable for their actions on the trail is tough, but
>>> they need to hear it.
>>>
>>> I am so thankful I got my ride to Idyllwild and don't have to worry about
>>> hiking with those guys. Keep a look-out tho, they are armed and dangerous
>>> for "people like me."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>
>>> Mayor Trevor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:49:21 +0000
From: Adrian Santos <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi
I come from abroad and I have a few question regarding how to get a at & t sin card for 5/ 6 months.If anyone from abroad had the same problem or anyone have some experience about this...please any help...
Some of my question are:* could I pop up in a at & t shop in San Diego and get a sim card with monthly payment? should I order on line?* do they asked my for permanent address?* any specific plan ?* the monthly payments had an specific minimum term ( 12 months )?* I try in the website and I have to buy a mobile (theirs ) to get the sim card.
Please, any help will be very appreciated. On Monday I fly to San Diego, very nervous with this things still not shorted.Kind regards all and see you soon .Adrian
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:06:01 -0400
From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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If you can unlock your phone you can use airvoicewireless.com or another
carrier. They have a bunch of plans. You order a sim card, cut it to
size, and insert it. Pretty much all you do. It's as little as $10 month.
If your phone can't be unlocked, someone else may be able to help.
Jeff
On 4/15/2014 9:49 PM, Adrian Santos wrote:
> Hi
> I come from abroad and I have a few question regarding how to get a at & t sin card for 5/ 6 months.If anyone from abroad had the same problem or anyone have some experience about this...please any help...
> Some of my question are:* could I pop up in a at & t shop in San Diego and get a sim card with monthly payment? should I order on line?* do they asked my for permanent address?* any specific plan ?* the monthly payments had an specific minimum term ( 12 months )?* I try in the website and I have to buy a mobile (theirs ) to get the sim card.
> Please, any help will be very appreciated. On Monday I fly to San Diego, very nervous with this things still not shorted.Kind regards all and see you soon .Adrian
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:20:14 +0000
From: Adrian Santos <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards?
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I was just looking to at & t as apparently is the best network for the PCT...not sure if other will have network in those areas......
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:15:54 -0700
From: be hope <bh.csuchico at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards
To: PCT MailingList <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
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? Hello Adrian,
If you go T Mo, you might consider getting two SIM cards / numbers: one for
talk and one for data. If you go with their $3 (or $2) a day data/talk/web
plan, it might work for your data/web needs. Use the other SIM for talk.
Check out their non contract plans. If you only used your data plan SIM for
X days / month, it might be cost effective for you. That data plan is
?unlimited? talk as well ~~ one SIM might work for you. T Mo can be very
inexpensive even with two SIMs; it all depends on your communication
requirements/demands. And low costs might lead you to buy one of their
unlocked phones.
One downside of the above strategy is removing SIM #1 and inserting SIM #2
when you need to go from the talk SIM to the $3/day data plan SIM. A
solution to this is secure an unlocked dual SIM GSM phone that will work on
T Mo ? check out Amazon, including the "reviews". Over the years I
purchased all my unlocked / GSM phones in SE Asia where dual SIM GSM phones
are common and they all work on T Mo and they come without the junk apps,
software T Mo add-ons, etc. A hot item in Malaysia right now is a dual SIM
Moto G. Adrian, since you're coming from abroad, you might be able to pick
up an unlocked GSM phone in your neighborhood that will work on either ATT
or T Mo: cross-check the phone specs with ATT and/or T Mo bandwidth
requirments.
T Mo coverage, IMHO, is much better on the PCT compared to 5 years ago,
especially after the ATT / T Mo ?breakup? which netted T Mo a hunk of
bandwidth, a couple of billion, and more ATT access for T Mo users.
Sometimes on the trail when I fire up my dump phone (with T Mo service) the
ATT logo comes up.
On time at Lake Odell (Shelter Cove) a bunch of us were in the store and
someone ask about Verizon service. The cashier replied ?try the end of the
dock?. Someone then ask about ATT service and got a ?no service? reply. I
couldn't resist: ?what about T Mobile?? The cashier rolled her eyes and
just smiled. Everyone else roared with laughter: I was laughing the
hardest. But outside I took a seat at the picnic table adjacent to the
store with my hot dogs and beer and fired up my phone: 3 bars!
Adrian, welcome to the US; have a wonderful hike!
be hope
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Adrian Santos
<santos666091525 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> Hi
> I come from abroad and I have a few question regarding how to get a at & t
> sin card for 5/ 6 months.If anyone from abroad had the same problem or
> anyone have some experience about this...please any help...
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:16:38 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards
To: Adrian Santos <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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You mentioned a SIM card so I assume you have a GSM phone, and you are
coming from Europe
There are two types of networks in the USA: GSM and CDMA. You will not
be able to use a CDMA network with your GSM phone.
It is my understanding that AT&T's has the GSM network with the best
coverage on the PCT. I'm sure if this is not true anymore, someone
will correct me
ATT's sells "no contract" access to it's network via it's wholly owned
subsidiary AIO Wireless brand (The ATT brand requires a contract) but
it uses the same ATT GSM network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aio_Wireless
You can buy a SIM card from them here
https://www.aiowireless.com/shop/byod.html
You can find "no contract" plans here
https://www.aiowireless.com/shop/plans.html
Good Luck
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Adrian Santos
<santos666091525 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> I come from abroad and I have a few question regarding how to get a at & t sin card for 5/ 6 months.If anyone from abroad had the same problem or anyone have some experience about this...please any help...
> Some of my question are:* could I pop up in a at & t shop in San Diego and get a sim card with monthly payment? should I order on line?* do they asked my for permanent address?* any specific plan ?* the monthly payments had an specific minimum term ( 12 months )?* I try in the website and I have to buy a mobile (theirs ) to get the sim card.
> Please, any help will be very appreciated. On Monday I fly to San Diego, very nervous with this things still not shorted.Kind regards all and see you soon .Adrian
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:21:54 -0700
From: Al Werner <albertwerner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards?
To: Adrian Santos <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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An argument could be made that Verizon has better coverage than AT&T, at
least up here in Washington. But, Verizon is not GSM, which is probably the
type of phone you have.
For a GSM phone I would suggest using Straight Talk. They're a prepaid MVNO
that resells at&t so the service is essentially the same. The difference is
that you prepay and have no contract, it also ends up being about $20 a
month cheaper than at&t.
Check them out at www.straighttalk.com. I have no interest, just a
satisfied customer for more than a year.
On Apr 15, 2014 7:20 PM, "Adrian Santos" <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I was just looking to at & t as apparently is the best network for the
> PCT...not sure if other will have network in those areas......
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:31:27 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards?
To: Adrian Santos <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Straighttalk looks like a good option.
The use the ATT and the T-Mobile network and are much cheaper
http://www.straighttalk.com/wps/portal/home/shop/sims
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Al Werner <albertwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
> An argument could be made that Verizon has better coverage than AT&T, at
> least up here in Washington. But, Verizon is not GSM, which is probably the
> type of phone you have.
>
> For a GSM phone I would suggest using Straight Talk. They're a prepaid MVNO
> that resells at&t so the service is essentially the same. The difference is
> that you prepay and have no contract, it also ends up being about $20 a
> month cheaper than at&t.
>
> Check them out at www.straighttalk.com. I have no interest, just a
> satisfied customer for more than a year.
> On Apr 15, 2014 7:20 PM, "Adrian Santos" <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was just looking to at & t as apparently is the best network for the
>> PCT...not sure if other will have network in those areas......
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:44:11 -0700
From: D J <emessis at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mailing regional flat rate to Kennedy Meadows
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi all,
I'm preparing a resupply box that will be heading to Kennedy Meadows and have been advised to send it 2-3 weeks before I'd like it to arrive. Is that a reasonable amount of time for a regional flat rate box? I just don't want to send it too early and have it go over the 2-week holding period (assuming that applies at KM).
Thanks!
- Devon
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I doubt, therefore I might be.
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 04:40:12 -0500
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mailing regional flat rate to Kennedy Meadows
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Regional Flat Rate is a Priority Mail service. It should take 2-3 days.
Two week holding period? I can't think of any place that has a two week
holding period. You can send your KM box today and it will be there when
you arrive. They won't send it back.
If you want confirmation, you could call the KM store yourself.
Yogi
www.yogisbooks.com
On Apr 16, 2014 12:03 AM, "D J" <emessis at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm preparing a resupply box that will be heading to Kennedy Meadows and
> have been advised to send it 2-3 weeks before I'd like it to arrive. Is
> that a reasonable amount of time for a regional flat rate box? I just
> don't want to send it too early and have it go over the 2-week holding
> period (assuming that applies at KM).
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Devon
>
> ---------------------------------
> I doubt, therefore I might be.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:22:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Shroomer & Dusty
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Some of you know Shroomer (Scott Williams) and Dusty (Richard Birss) and that they are doing a thru-hike of the AT this year. I hosted them near Roan Mtn in northeast TN last Friday/ Saturday and greatly enjoyed reuniting with Shroomer and meeting Dusty. Sadly, they both had to get off the trail within a few days, perhaps for the year. Dusty suffered a medical situation that required extraction by EMS near Kincora. He is still in the hospital following surgery but is progressing well. His wife arrived yesterday.
Shroomer had to leave due to a family medical situation back home. He's fine physically, not sick or injured. He is more likely to return this year than is Richard.
BTW, you can now refer to him as The Reverend Shroomer, since he will begin performing weddings next month. Is there anything that guy can't do?
I have tried to inform the list of their situations without violating too much personal info. Shroomer is on Postholer, so he will probably update soon.
Mango
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 07:46:22 -0700
From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shroomer & Dusty
To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>, <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Thanks for the update, Jim!
Scott is a good guy and one of those who helped us get a wounded thru hiker
flown off Kearsarge Pass 4 years ago!
Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education
www.mountaineducation.org
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From: Jim & Jane Moody
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To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Shroomer & Dusty
Some of you know Shroomer (Scott Williams) and Dusty (Richard Birss) and
that they are doing a thru-hike of the AT this year. I hosted them near Roan
Mtn in northeast TN last Friday/ Saturday and greatly enjoyed reuniting with
Shroomer and meeting Dusty. Sadly, they both had to get off the trail within
a few days, perhaps for the year. Dusty suffered a medical situation that
required extraction by EMS near Kincora. He is still in the hospital
following surgery but is progressing well. His wife arrived yesterday.
Shroomer had to leave due to a family medical situation back home. He's fine
physically, not sick or injured. He is more likely to return this year than
is Richard.
BTW, you can now refer to him as The Reverend Shroomer, since he will begin
performing weddings next month. Is there anything that guy can't do?
I have tried to inform the list of their situations without violating too
much personal info. Shroomer is on Postholer, so he will probably update
soon.
Mango
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:56:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tuna Helper's PCT Speed Attempt 2014 (Ryan
Weidert)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi,
I'm bored and picking nits here! If someone has carried hundreds of gallons of water to Third Gate, and you only carry 2 liters to Third Gate, and use the water that is cached there, how is that unsupported? Not having to carry two gallons of water from Scissors, or Rodriguez to Barrel Springs has increased the speed at which you've done that section, no?
If you take food from a trail angel, isn't that added calories that you didn't need to carry? Doesn't that improve your performance?
(In Catch-22 when Yossarian was complaining that the Germans were trying to kill him, Havermeyer pointed out that the Germans were trying to kill everybody. Yossarian's reply was "What difference does that make?")
What we need is an official governing body to decide these things! ;-)
YMMV, HYOH, etc
The bottom line: it doesn't matter what I think. Good luck to the speed hikers. It's an amazing achievement.
Gary
On 04/11/14, Jackie McDonnell wrote:
My opinion -- and that's all it is, an opinion -- is that if you come
across something on the trail which is there for ANYONE to use/drink/eat,
then use/drink/eat it and you're still unsupported. If you plan to have
someone meet you with stuff, then that is supported.
Good luck to all you record-seekers! I'm proud of all of you for just
attempting this!
Yogi
www.yogisbooks.com
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:07:37 -0700
From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tuna Helper's PCT Speed Attempt 2014 (Ryan
Weidert)
To: Dale Combs <comebackwalking at yahoo.com>
Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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New resupply at Stevens Pass Tye Creek Lodge loading dock. Contact me and
I'll forward you the info. I'll post it here when I get to home computer.
UPS/FEDX only. Less than 1000 feet from trail head.
PCT MOM
On Apr 10, 2014 8:44 PM, "Dale Combs" <comebackwalking at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The nicest guy I ever met on trail. I met him maybe 40 miles south of
> Belden. Real humble. Young and articulate.
> Really long legs. He turned down the fresh apple I offered him. And then
> explained why he turned it down ie his
> record attempt. Zero "big time" attitude. I think the challenge is
> emotional not so much physical.
>
> He who travels fastest, walks alone.
>
> I would root for him to succeed at anything he does in life.
>
> He's that type of person. Or seemed to me. Can you tell within 5 minutes
> when you meet someone on the trail?
> Usually.
>
> Dale
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:30:04 -0700
From: Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Whitewater Closure Question
To: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I can't see them turn down hikers and since there is water just a few miles up the trail, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just call them if you must know.
-Rick
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify the question of the whitewater closure (and maybe it's been
> posted but I just didn't get it), here's a quote from the Wildlands
> Conservancy website:
> *UPDATE 4/14/14: Whitewater Preserve is now open daily for visitation and
> hiking access from 8 am to 5 pm. A closure is scheduled for Thursday, April
> 17th to complete final maintenance projects. After the 17th the preserve
> will remain open.Thank you for your patience while work to steward the
> preserve.*
>
> Quackers
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:34:29 -0700
From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
Subject: [pct-l] New Stevens Pass resupply
To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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STEVENS PASS THROUGH HIKER SUPPLY PICKUP
Stevens Pass will be accepting supply packages for through hikers such as
PCT (Pacific Crest Trail) hikers for pickup at Stevens Pass.
The process is as follows: Hikers ship or have packages dropped off at
Stevens Pass, Tye Creek Lodge loading dock.
They MUST be shipped or dropped off identified as follows:
Joe Public (Hiker's name)
C/O Stevens Pass, Through Hiker
93001 NE Stevens Pass Hwy, US 2
Skykomish, WA 98288
ALL packages must be shipped via UPS or FedEx. US Postal Service does not
deliver to the mountain & Stevens is unable to retrieve your package from
the US Postal Service.
Hikers may pickup packages:
4 days a week, May 1st through June 20th, Monday - Thursday, 7:30am to 4pm.
7 days a week June 21st through September 30th, 8am to 5pm.
4 days a week, October 1st through October 31st, Monday - Thursday, 7:30am
to 4pm.
On mountain contacts:
Ticketing Office - in person pickup during business hours listed above
Joel Martinez: 206-949-1588
Nick Dumas: 509-531-8164
Ted Everson: 509-393-8651
Tom Maher: 509-860-1742
Packages must be in sealed containers/boxes.
Do not ship perishable food items.
STEVENS PASS GENERAL INFO TO KNOW
Lodge open 7 days a week during our operating hours.
Snack and espresso service available 7 days a week and restaurant open
Friday through Sunday.
Limited retail available.
WiFi and phone charging available.
Restrooms available, no showers.
Stevens Pass is located at approximately mile marker 2476 of the PCT on US
Hwy 2 a major east/west through corridor.
GPS coordinates are: Latitude: 47 degrees, 44' 45.79" N; Longitude: 121
degrees, 05' 18.38" W
Nearest grocery stores are located, 35 miles to the east in Leavenworth and
36 miles to the west in Gold Bar.
Safest and best access from the south end of PCT to the north end is
through the Stevens Pass base area and across the pedestrian bridge over US
Hwy 2. It is illegal to cross the highway except over the pedestrian bridge.
PCT MOM
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