[pct-l] Thank you, Scott
pelson at sprintmail.com
pelson at sprintmail.com
Sun Feb 23 19:35:55 CST 2014
Shroomer,
Thanks so much to you and your wife for generously hosting the tremendous BBQ and hikes! I had a fantastic time getting to know the tribe! Great training for the trail.
Phyllis
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> 1. Blisters & Getting into Hiking Shape (Reinhold Metzger)
> 2. Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
> (Reinhold Metzger)
> 3. Lotions and potions (b j)
> 4. Re: Lotions and potions (Diane Soini)
> 5. Re: Powerhouse Fire route (Dan Welch)
> 6. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
> (Brick Robbins)
> 7. Re: Lotions and potions (Diane Soini)
> 8. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?) (ed faubert)
> 9. Waterlogged (Diane Soini)
> 10. Stolen Car (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 11. Re: my secret to getting in shape (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 12. Tyvek, small containers, health (dm)
> 13. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
> (marmot marmot)
> 14. Re: Tyvek (Andrea Harrison)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:11:28 -0800
>From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Blisters & Getting into Hiking Shape
>To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <530893F0.9020002 at cox.net>
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>Hi gang,
>There have been many opinions about blisters and getting into hiking shape.
>
>Blisters are caused by pressure and friction and tender skin is much more
>likely to blister than tough skin.
>
>So, Confucius says...eliminate pressure and friction and tender skin and
>you eliminate problem.
>
>As has already been pointed out pressure points and friction can be reduced
>by wearing shoes that are on the large side to allow for foot swelling
>and a
>wide enough foot box to allow the toes to move freely without rubbing
>against
>each other, to prevent in between toes blisters.
>
>But even more important is transforming tender foot skin into tougher skin.
>In the USMC we accomplished that by hiking and walking only in combat
>boots made out of thick leather with no cushioned inner soles or soft inner
>padding or lining...just tough leather inside and out.
>After a while the skin will get tougher and thicker, callous like, and
>not likely
>to blister, especially not in in soft, padded hiking shoes.
>
>I'm not saying toughen up your feet in combat boots but you could do your
>training in heavy duty hiking boots (waffle stompers) or construction boots,
>wearing real thin socks to toughen up your skin.
>Also walking barefoot outside as much as possible, especially on the beach,
>with the continuous rubbing and friction of the sand really toughens up
>the skin.
>
>I never get blisters because I have real tough, callous like skin on my
>feet.
>That is from running around barefooted and playing soccer barefooted as
>a kid and wearing combat boots for 4 years.
>
>You don't have to take it to that extreme, but I think I made my
>point....the
>more the tougher.
>
>As far as getting into hiking shape, I will say this....any exercise that
>strengthens your lakes is good for hiking...biking, running,skiing, tennis,
>squats, toe raises, etc...are all good exercises.
>However,...you are not exercising the same muscles or not exercising them
>the same way as when you are hiking.
>Therefore,...if you want to get into hiking shape there is no better way
>than
>hiking,...preferably with a pack on terrain similar to hiking trails and
>hills.
>
>The idea is to exercise the same muscles, the same way as when you are
>hiking.
>The more the better, to get the body used to and conditioned to hiking.
>
>Some folks will say...No need to do all that, your body will get used to
>it and in
>shape as you go along.
>This may be true, but there is no substitute for being prepared and
>ready from
>the start ....it reduces early misery, potential injury and drop outs by
>increasing
>the odds for a successful "thru-hike".
>
>During the off hiking season I try to keep my legs in good condition by
>biking, skiing, tennis, etc.
>But, to keep them in hiking shape I also take long walks with a pack and
>heavy boots, or if jogging shoes with ankle irons.
>Not far from my house there is a very steep hill and a set of stairs,
>with 80 steps.
>A few loops of that hill and 25 loops of the stairs will make you suck wind.
>
>I am drawn to that because it is very close to what one encounters going
>over
>the passes in the Sierra.
>
>I know, everybody has their own opinion and way of getting into hiking shape
>and my way may not be the way for everybody,,,,but that is my opinion
>and my way.
>
>JMT Reinhold
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 05:08:56 -0800
>From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <5308A168.8000105 at cox.net>
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>
>Say Mixalot,
>I think you may have your numbers mixed up.
>My source shows hulled Sunflower seeds at 162 -170 calorie/oz.
>With hulls 86 calories/oz.
>Unless your number represents roasted in oil....but that is not the seed
>only.
>Calorie count goes up if you saturate the seed in oil.
>
>JMT Reinhold
>--------------------------
>
>Sir Mixalot wrote:
>Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.
>Sunflower seeds are nearly 240 calories per ounce.
>Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your food bag when you
>walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead of what looks
>best on a spreadsheet. If you're lucky you'll find something that's both.
>--------------------------------
>On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com
><http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> wrote:/
>On Feb 19, 2014 12:50 PM, "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
><http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>//wrote:
>
>//[pct-l] PCT - Hard Dirt?//
>BTW...At 200 calories/oz Macadamia Nuts are a great source of //energy
>and beat any other trail food
>-----------------------------------------
>. //Probably beats the cost of almost any other trail food in cost/weight. /
>/ Luce Cruz /
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:14:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <1393096471.17834.YahooMailNeo at web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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>
>Hi Jake,
>
>Hiker boxes are littered with all that stuff.? I carried it and ditched it too.? Here's what I learned -- Keep it simple.? A small squeeze tube of unscented lip balm or vaseline or Carmex doubles as anti-chafe, foot moisturizer, etc and a small bottle of sanitizer.
>
>
>Soap: You don't need soap -- it contaminates water sources and you can get the dirt off just by washing with water.?
>
>
>-Porsche
>
>___
>
>Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items
>like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>
>I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the
>rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack .? Any ideas?
>Thanks all!
>Jake
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <0AB3587E-FEF2-4333-8DB2-12062A6FB45E at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>I carry a small trial size toothpaste and refill it occasionally. I have a tiny little bottle I saved from when my bird got some medicine at the vet. I would put shampoo in there. I later found out that the pink gas station hand soap makes great shampoo so I would refill it after washing my hair in the gas station sink. I put my DEET in a tiny trial size visine bottle. Turned out I needed the extra large economy size for DEET so that didn?t work. Sanitizer goes in a trial size, too. I saved one from pre-911 so that it?s extra small, not one of the big ones they have now. I carried a hotel soap in a little patch kit box I got at the bike shop. Poison oak cream is not needed. Anti-chafe powder I put in a small ziploc and put that in a larger ziploc. My hairbrush is just the rubber pin-cushion part of a brush without the rest of the brush. It always comes off the rest of the brush anyway. I carried a small foil single-serving of neosporin I got out of a first aid kit and I would
> refill it with a toothpick now and then. I kept it in a tiny ziploc I got with extra shirt buttons. Just keep thinking like that. How can I make this thing smaller, lighter or what can I put it in and also can I just do without it. I?m going to stink in about 10 minutes on the trail anyway, so why bother with all this washing and perfuming. Nothing smells worse than an oncoming day hiker anyway.
>
>On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>>
>> Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>> I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack . Any ideas?
>> Thanks all!
>> Jake
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:49:17 -0500
>From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Powerhouse Fire route
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <002d01cf3017$f06118f0$d1234ad0$@com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I must admit I'm confused by the response below. In the first paragraph it
>says the trail isn't bad you learned after the fact. In the second paragraph
>you say the detour is easy. Then in the third paragraph you say the poodle
>dog bush is horrendous. Are there three trails? More importantly - which
>is the "best" trail to take - assuming you're willing to do a little poodle
>dog bush evasion, but not willing to wade through it?
>
>Opinions from all welcome!
>Thanks,
>Timberline
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott [mailto:public at postholer.com]
>Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 4:58 PM
>To: welchenergy at gmail.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Powerhouse Fire route
>
>Hey Dan,
>
>The Station Fire. Last year we took the detour from Pacifico Mtn down to
>Mill Creek Ranger Station. I wish I hadn't because the trail wasn't bad, I
>learned after the fact. And it was the only detour I took on the entire
>trail...arrrgh!
>
>The detour is easy and follows these roads all downhill, 3N17E, 3N17.3,
>3N17.4, here's a map: http://tinyurl.com/lh9fcao
>
>The PCTA has done absolutely nothing in this area since the fire 5 years
>ago. The poodle dog bush is horrendous, you need to be a contortionist.
>Definitely worth pestering them about it. They have totally dropped the
>ball.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:03:16 -0800
>From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CALV1NznH2eKC=DdCuvt83y7xkYMHK0S8mxyW2KiNQ+Ggn3L2Eg at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce. Sunflower seeds are nearly
>> 240 calories per ounce.
>
>Here is a table of calories
>
>http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>
>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet. If you're lucky you'll find something
>> that's both.
>
>That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>miles pass.
>
>HOYH, YMMV.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:38:33 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <D48FC3DE-CE1B-4BDD-A522-AC6A5773FFEB at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>I carry a small trial size toothpaste and refill it occasionally. I have a tiny little bottle I saved from when my bird got some medicine at the vet. I would put shampoo in there. I later found out that the pink gas station hand soap makes great shampoo so I would refill it after washing my hair in the gas station sink. I put my DEET in a tiny trial size visine bottle. Turned out I needed the extra large economy size for DEET so that didn?t work. Sanitizer goes in a trial size, too. I saved one from pre-911 so that it?s extra small, not one of the big ones they have now. I carried a hotel soap in a little patch kit box I got at the bike shop. Poison oak cream is not needed. Anti-chafe powder I put in a small ziploc and put that in a larger ziploc. My hairbrush is just the rubber pin-cushion part of a brush without the rest of the brush. It always comes off the rest of the brush anyway. I carried a small foil single-serving of neosporin I got out of a first aid kit and I would
> refill it with a toothpick now and then. I kept it in a tiny ziploc I got with extra shirt buttons. Just keep thinking like that. How can I make this thing smaller, lighter or what can I put it in and also can I just do without it. I?m going to stink in about 10 minutes on the trail anyway, so why bother with all this washing and perfuming. Nothing smells worse than an oncoming day hiker anyway.
>
>On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>>
>> Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>> I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack . Any ideas?
>> Thanks all!
>> Jake
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:45:43 -0800 (PST)
>From: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>, PCT-L List
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <1393123543.293.YahooMailNeo at web141503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Brick is right about food(s) on the PCT? I have been dealing with PCT hikers? starting in 1994 and I can tell you a few things about hiker food over the years.....20....
>Hikers tend to sit home in feb/mar/april? thinking about what food to pack for a thru hike......so they go buy this food and pack it up for their 4 month hike... This also is about the folks who freeze dry their food and buy expensive choc. and lots of almonds and pecans and other high end expensive foods.....
>Lets bring in here the folks who think WOW its hard to find pro on the trail so lets go veg the whole way. Something that doesn't? show up here on PCT is how many people change their food eating habits on?the trail......I remember girls talking about fan...about eating hot dogs who never in their lives??ate one....
>I was once at Donnas house in AD cooking flake steak and had 2veg. come out of their tents for a taste....
>If you are a 2014 hiker you will soon learn.....what your? other 2014 hikers are getting in their mail drops that will end ?up in the hiker boxes. I am here to tell you its some of the best food on the pct but even you may tired of glazed pecans or freeze dried strawberries....
>So yes pack your b oxes for the first 500 miles?? with what you like but for?the? next 500 change it and tell you person at home sending you your boxes to be prepared to do so.....
>
>Hiker boxes become battleground zero by the time you reach O....?
>On Saturday, February 22, 2014 3:05 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>?
>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.? Sunflower seeds are nearly
>> 240 calories per ounce.
>
>Here is a table of calories
>
>http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>
>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet.? If you're lucky you'll find something
>> that's both.
>
>That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>miles pass.
>
>HOYH, YMMV.
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:43:45 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Waterlogged
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Cc: nhuber01 at gmail.com
>Message-ID: <C9006AEB-9E61-4798-A200-FB1C0A7D416D at gmail.com>
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>
>I was asked to post a link to a review of Waterlogged by Tim Noakes. This is the link.
>http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/waterlogged-a-dogma-shattering-book.html
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:23:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: hiker97 at aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Stolen Car
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <8D0FE6E8C5B2B64-1114-12032 at webmail-va020.sysops.aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>One day TrailDust could not find her car keysafter shopping at the mall. She gave herselfa TSA pat down, but no keys. Suddenly,she realized that she must have left them in the car in the parking lot.
>
>She rushes to the parking lot and looksfrantically. There was no car to befound. Her husband, Grizzly, had warnedseveral times about leaving her keys in the ignition, when out and about. He said it was an easy way for the car to bestolen. Now it looked like he was right.
>
>She immediately calls the police and givesthem her location and the vehicle description. Then she makes the most difficultcall of all to Grizzly: "I left my keys in the car and it's beenstolen."
>
>There was a moment of silence. Then Grizzly responds, ?But I dropped you offat the mall today. ?
>
>Now it was TrailDust?s turn to be silent andeven more embarrassed. Finally, shesays, ?Well, come and get me!?
>Grizzly retorts, "I will, as soon as Iconvince this cop that I didn't steal your car."
>-------------------------------------
>Your obedient servant and trail rapscallion,
>Switchback the Trail Pirate
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:33:07 +0900
>From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
>To: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRsN==LrgP74z39=P6wEf9XH94P8seOynd1crJrsPMmY_w at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Dear Diane
>
>I dislike such muscle training, so I am just ended three days training hike
>with my wife. Now, I am staying a hotel with spa. As an 80 pounds heavy
>trucker, I am always nervous about my backpack. I have just tested
>re-modeled Ospray Volt 75, which worked best. I could not discriminated
>23kg and 30 kg pack weight. The remodeling was great success. To keep my
>shape, I sometimes try long distance running, and avoiding overeating,
>except buffet. The dinner in this evening and the breakfast are the
>exceptions.
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/completewalkerequipment/home/2-backpack/volt-75
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:24:48 -0800
>From: "dm" <dm at quixnet.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Tyvek, small containers, health
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <530a04b0.1c1.5046.27917 at quixnet.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Tyvek: Lowe's and other similar businesses get bundles of
>lumber covered with tyvek. I went to Lowe's and just asked
>an employee for a piece. He gave me the entire sheet that
>was in their dumpster. Cut out what you need and save the
>rest for late. Running it thru a wash cycle will soften it.
>
>Small containers: Prescription drugs should be labeled to
>prevent seizing by TSA, etc. To avoid carrying several pill
>bottles, I ordered small ziplock parts bags from an
>industrial supply business. The pharmacy printed up new Rx
>labels for me to put on the bags. I carry a small supply of
>meds I might need and also have copies of the prescription
>in case I need a refill along the way.
>
>Aging and activity: Shroomer gave some good advice about
>lifestyle and health. My wife and I pretty much live like
>that, staying very active, exercising, etc. She started
>running at 67 while recovering from very aggressive breast
>cancer and the subsequent radical surgery plus very
>aggressive chemotherapy and radiation. Ran her first
>half-marathon at 68 and continues to run several ties a
>week, doing weights on the off days. She came in first in
>her age group in her last race.
>
>I bike 1,000 to 1,500 miles a year, hike, do yoga every day
>and have been training for 3 months preparing to resume my
>PCT hike that was interrupted by a broken foot last year at
>Idyllwild. In a few weeks I will pick up my hike at Saddle
>Junction, where I left the trail last year. Somewhere north
>of the Sierras I will celebrate my 74th birthday.
>
>This info is written with the hope of encouraging you
>younger people to keep active, be wise about what kind and
>how much food you eat. You'll rust up before you wear out
>so KEEP MOVING! Be wise also about what you put in your
>mind. Read some positive, uplifting books. Hang out with
>optimistic, compassionate people.
>
>On a final note, ladies, especially you young ones that
>think you don't need to do it yet, PLEASE do a breast
>self-exam EVERY MONTH! Don't rely on an annual mammogram to
>protect you. They are notoriously unreliable. My wife's
>last mammogram was totally clear just 6 months before a
>large, fast-growing cancer was removed, along with both
>breasts and a lot of lymph nodes. OK, rant off.
>
>Have a happy hike!
>
>Duracell
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:32:51 -0800
>From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
>Cc: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Brick Robbins
> <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS258E7BA6339C8B12A50E6D2C8870 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>As strange as it sounds I've lost all my taste for sweet foods on the trail. Cookies etc Except for dried fruit. Why? Who knows. I imagine it's just that I have self corrected for wanting what my body actually needs. But that could be just silly and is certainly not backed up by any science that I know about. I just know my appetite for healthy foods have changed after so many miles. I want only clean foods( no chemicals) no added sugars. Marmot
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "ed faubert" <edfaubert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Brick is right about food(s) on the PCT I have been dealing with PCT hikers starting in 1994 and I can tell you a few things about hiker food over the years.....20....
>> Hikers tend to sit home in feb/mar/april thinking about what food to pack for a thru hike......so they go buy this food and pack it up for their 4 month hike... This also is about the folks who freeze dry their food and buy expensive choc. and lots of almonds and pecans and other high end expensive foods.....
>> Lets bring in here the folks who think WOW its hard to find pro on the trail so lets go veg the whole way. Something that doesn't show up here on PCT is how many people change their food eating habits on the trail......I remember girls talking about fan...about eating hot dogs who never in their lives ate one....
>> I was once at Donnas house in AD cooking flake steak and had 2veg. come out of their tents for a taste....
>> If you are a 2014 hiker you will soon learn.....what your other 2014 hikers are getting in their mail drops that will end up in the hiker boxes. I am here to tell you its some of the best food on the pct but even you may tired of glazed pecans or freeze dried strawberries....
>> So yes pack your b oxes for the first 500 miles with what you like but for the next 500 change it and tell you person at home sending you your boxes to be prepared to do so.....
>>
>> Hiker boxes become battleground zero by the time you reach O....
>> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 3:05 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce. Sunflower seeds are nearly
>>> 240 calories per ounce.
>>
>> Here is a table of calories
>>
>> http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>>
>>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet. If you're lucky you'll find something
>>> that's both.
>>
>> That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>> know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>> miles pass.
>>
>> HOYH, YMMV.
>>
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>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:45:35 -0800
>From: Andrea Harrison <andylouharrison at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tyvek
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>Tyvek can be ordered online - Ebay is a good source, and you can order any quantity you want. Cost is minimal. Good luck. Trail Sampler.
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